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This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from artielang. Show artielang's posts

    Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....

    well they still dont have the playmakers, but the speed sure looks good. and i think they have a chance to get a lot better during the season, once the young players develop and mayo comes back. pryor looked good today i thought, and guyton is playing really well. interesting that chung and brace cannot get on the field at all, espcially brace, with wilfork leaving and wright missing plays. i wonder whats going on there. if burgess could just find his game...
    but we cant have wilfork miss any time. he has been a beast this season, tossing aside centers and stuffing the middle. atlanta couldnt budge him till he went down...
     
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    Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....

    we'll see how it looks in crunch time with two minutes left in the game and if they can hold a lead.

    to their credit, they did look pretty good today
     
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    In Response to Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....:
    I hate the term playmaker. It is essentially meaningless outside of fingering one player with flashy statistics. A playmaker is a guy who makes the plays you need him to make. This defense has eleven playmakers. The cover well, and don't get gashed by the run at the same time. That is a championship 'D,' if they can keep it up. Where were the 'playmaker' on the 2001-2003-2004 defenses? They had no stars, and it irked the media, because they didn't know how to build them up. I will take this defense over any number of defenses with accomplished sack artists. Dallas, San Diego? They have 'playmakers' but they don't make the plays they need to win. I will take this defense over any number of defenses with the ace 'shutdown' corner, like Oakland or Carolina. The only stat I care about is how many points they surrender, and how many long drives they allow as a unit. They are excellent there, so give them credit.
    Posted by zbellino



    One of the few guys that post here who has a clue...
     
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    It's so refreshing to watch a corner who is right there when the ball arrives, and can tackle.  Bodden, in my opinion, has been tremendous.  

    Springs has been very good also.  Even Wheatley was better than I expected today (although my expectations were pretty low).

    The D-line was very good without Wilfork.  There were excellent against the run, and even though Ryan wasn't sacked, they forced him to rush some throws, and forced him out of the pocket a number of times.  

    With Mayo and Wilfork coming back soon, hopefully, I'm excited to see this defense the rest of the season.  Once the offense turns some field goals into touchdowns, and trust me, it WILL happen, this team will be hard to beat.
     
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    Patriots are the number three overall defense going into today,so that may even improve.  Only Jets and Broncos are better.  This defense , IMHO, is going to get even better.  then, when the offense can get it together and score more TD's this team will look great.  They will be peaking at playoff time, and even if they don't have home field advantage, it will not matter.
     
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    Where were the 'playmaker' on the 2001-2003-2004 defenses? They had no stars, and it irked the media, because they didn't know how to build them up.

    Z, I usually agree with everything you post you're one of the smartest guys on here, but I can't agree here. Ty Law, Wille Mcginest, Seymore were all stars in those defenses.
     
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    Bodden is very conservative, fast, and has great technique.  That form tackle he laid out today was text book.  He doesn't jump routes like our past corners and for that we may not get the INTs but we gain a lot in terms of reliability.

    Guyton's starting to get some swagger which I like too, he can mouth off to the other team and it doesn't bother me like Ellis used to.

    The INTs should hopefully start to come soon, and once that happens it will be look out for this D across the league.
     
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    I too am encouraged......

    They are not giving up any long passes on the outside of the field..... Occassionally a few long passes up the middle, but that will improve when Mayo returns....

    Would like to see a better pash rush, however, can't complain about the speed and tackling......


    Bodden and Springs have been MONEY.... As it turns out, perhaps the JETS and BILLS much better than folks give credit.....


     
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    Overreacting to the first three games of the season?  I'm disappointed, Z.  Let's wait and see how they're doing in November.  For now it's just 3 very solid defensive efforts.  I hope they do as well against Flacco and the Ravens.
     
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    Saying "Bodden and Springs" just has so much of a better ring to it than saying "Hobbs and O'Neal", doesn't it?
     
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    The secondary has improved now we need Mayo and Fork healthy. A few more games of experience and BB will start feeding scheme and cover changes, adding different looks....this is a work in progress. 



     
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    In Response to Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....:
    Where were the 'playmaker' on the 2001-2003-2004 defenses? They had no stars, and it irked the media, because they didn't know how to build them up. Z, I usually agree with everything you post you're one of the smartest guys on here, but I can't agree here. Ty Law, Wille Mcginest, Seymore were all stars in those defenses.
    Posted by Harleyroadking111


    Bryon Cox / Ted Washington
     
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    Your right Z, good start for a new defense....hope they build off this foundation.



     
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    Defense has been very 'sneaky good.' After this week, they should be the #1 defense overall - Jests gave up more yardage. Bodden has been tremendous. Their secondary has been better than it has since 2003. If the Pats offense can hit their synch, this team is very good.
     
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    I spoke of this d looking like the best we've had in a while, nice that everyone is coming along. About the superstars of years gone by, nope. During the 2001-2 season the story was always about how this team void of talent kept winning. But they had fire. 

    Anyone see the 49ers game? Now that's a team with fire! They lost today, but they might go far this year. I was walking back and forth between the pats and 49ers game the energy difference was palpable. 

    The pats won today. But the 49ers were hungry. I hope the pats get hungry.
     
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    jdawg, that old saying "teams are a reflection of their coach" rings true. Mike Singletary is a fiery hungry coach where BB is more stoic.







     
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    Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....

    was Wilhite a healthy scratch???

    he was not on the injury report and he never saw the field...

    He must have done something wrong for wheatley to be thrusted into the starting poackage with springs and @ left corner in the nickle??
     
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    Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....

    Come on Z, you titled the thread "This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons.... "  Based on three games?  Against the Jets, Falcons and the Bills?  The Bills?  Don't let all the hype fool you ... these teams s uck and always will.  In 2006 and 2007 our D was consistently good all season long.  I'm pretty sure in 2006 we started out giving up 17, 17, 17, 13 and never gave up more than 30 all season ('cept for the Championship).  2007 D was pretty similar.  Even by the end of 2005 our D really came together.  My point is, the D has played well, but it doesn't deserve to be called "the best in a few season."

    And you know I love reading your posts so don't take this as an insult, but I've noticed too many times where you say, "I was right" in posts.  You're a smart guy, you don't have to advertise. 
     
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    Z, i do agree with your premise but the playmaker thing is still an issue. and thats exactly what law, willie mac, and bruschi were. when we absolutely needed pressure on the qb, or a tackle at or behind the line of scrimmage, you could often count on willie mac. remember the 3 runs stuffed at the goal line against the colts? and i'm still convinced that the hits he put on warner in the first super bowl had a lot to do with getting the win. and when there was a clutch play that needed to be made, more often than not tedy was in the middle of things (pre stroke). he was one of the most clutch defenders i've ever seen.

    so yes, i like the looks of this D so far. they play with discipline and dont miss a lot of tackles. but to be a great defense 2 or 3 players are going to have to stand out as "playmakers" who can be counted on to create the turnover, get the qb hit, intimidate the receivers, etc.
     
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    Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....

    Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi, Vrabel, Harrison, etc

    Guys who just got it done in the clutch.
     
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    The D does look good throught 3 games with a Big Test next week against Flacco and Mcgahee.  The tackling does need some improving, they are giving up a some yards after first contact.
     
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    Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....

    It is only the 3rd game but I am optimistic about what I'm seeing on the field.  the Pats staple as always is stopping the run and they have done that so far.  The secondary looks sharp and in general the defense is starting to play well as a single unit.  Guyton, Merriweather and Wareen all played well and the conrnerback issues does not appear to be a weakness on this team.

    I think that by mid season we could be looking at a dominant defense.  Let's see how the depth on this team looks as injuries are factored into the equation.

    dboss
     
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    Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....

    In Response to Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....:
    I hate the term playmaker. It is essentially meaningless outside of fingering one player with flashy statistics. A playmaker is a guy who makes the plays you need him to make. This defense has eleven playmakers. The cover well, and don't get gashed by the run at the same time. That is a championship 'D,' if they can keep it up. Where were the 'playmaker' on the 2001-2003-2004 defenses? They had no stars, and it irked the media, because they didn't know how to build them up. I will take this defense over any number of defenses with accomplished sack artists. Dallas, San Diego? They have 'playmakers' but they don't make the plays they need to win. I will take this defense over any number of defenses with the ace 'shutdown' corner, like Oakland or Carolina. The only stat I care about is how many points they surrender, and how many long drives they allow as a unit. They are excellent there, so give them credit.
    Posted by zbellino



    That is what you get with a BB coached defense. I posted this on several different threads but I remain optimistic with a defense that for the first time in a while is young and athletic. BB was held hostage as to what type of gameplan he could use on Sundays and now we have top draft picks playing together sprinkled with solid veterans.

    No Mayo and our defense is playing very well. We have another test against the Ravens next week but so far Pats fans should recognize we have effective defensive players!!

    Not to mention whats will happen as Brady and wr chemistry improves througout the season. Lots of points left on the board today. this easily could have been a blow out!
     
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    was Wilhite a healthy scratch??? he was not on the injury report and he never saw the field... He must have done something wrong for wheatley to be thrusted into the starting poackage with springs and @ left corner in the nickle??
    Posted by tagandtrade


    BB finally realized that Wilhite $ucks.
     
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    Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....

    congrats pats fans.  Didn't show the game here.  Was it a dominant performance? 

    I will say this - I have po o po o'd the D, but only 10 pts from Atlanta.  They must be gelling well. 

    By the way:

    did anyone see Rodney Harrison hate on Ryan before saying they had a good team, only to try to goad Dungy into something by calling the Colts D soft.  Arrogance must be selective.  What a tool.
     
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