This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....

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    For the people saying it's only been 3 games. I think that is the biggest strong point in the defense.  Considering all the new faces on the defense and guys like Green, Guyton and Woods having to step up as starters, it shows a lot of promise.  The team hasn't had time to gel yet which means it should only get better from here.
     
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    Posted by Low-FB-IQ



    There's a reason they looked good without Wilfork. If anyone has had the benefit of going to a game and seeing the entire field, with the exception of the first quarter of the Jets game, he's made no penetration. And he hasnt drawn a double team all season. He is being handled one on one. I'm sure no one wants to hear it, but all you have to do is watch
     
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    In Response to Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons.... : None of those guys have gotten anything done in the clutch in a few seasons. None of them can play football anymore. Their "clutch" was simply athleticism and discipline. Period. Each one of those players could be counted on to be where they were supposed to be, and to be fit enough to make the play when they had to. So far, just three games in, I am seeing that from this crew. No brainless Ellis Hobbs style mistakes. No sloppy Asante Samuel non-tackling, where if he isn't picking it, he is waiting for a safety to bail him out. Just guys doing their jobs. I like it. If they keep doing their jobs people will start calling them 'clutch' too, because Ne will make some serious noise in the playoffs.


    zbellino, you've got it all pegged. Bodden is a real corner. Asante is a self promoter. And anyone who compares him to Ty Law is an idiot. By midseason this group on the defensive side of the ball is going to be consistently very effective. Youth, speed and aggressiveness.
    Posted by zbellino

     
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    Z, I'm just tired of the weekly overreacting.  We lose a game and Bill Simmons is writing about the end of an era.  We win a game and you're writing about the best defense since 2003/04.  Of course the D is great.  We've had a great D all decade and will have another great one this year.  But if they have a bad game some week and give up 30, everyone will be calling for their heads.  Enough of the roller coaster reactions, let's just be content with what we got. 
     
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    I hate the term playmaker. It is essentially meaningless outside of fingering one player with flashy statistics. A playmaker is a guy who makes the plays you need him to make. This defense has eleven playmakers. The cover well, and don't get gashed by the run at the same time. That is a championship 'D,' if they can keep it up. Where were the 'playmaker' on the 2001-2003-2004 defenses? They had no stars, and it irked the media, because they didn't know how to build them up. I will take this defense over any number of defenses with accomplished sack artists. Dallas, San Diego? They have 'playmakers' but they don't make the plays they need to win. I will take this defense over any number of defenses with the ace 'shutdown' corner, like Oakland or Carolina. The only stat I care about is how many points they surrender, and how many long drives they allow as a unit. They are excellent there, so give them credit.
    Posted by zbellino


    I agree, our D will be top notch once Mayo returns, it's a bottom line business and the bottom line is our D gave up 10 points today. Pryor and Brace made it easy for BB to shop Seymour. We replaced old and slow with fast and young. I still think Seau will be back for the playoffs too for those of you needing an old slow leader. Gotta give credit to the O's time of possession too, that helps the D big time.
     
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    Wilhite didn't play because he injured himself in the morning before the game.  Whoever said Wilhite s*cks, he's better than both Butler and Wheatley at this point, so no, he does not s*ck.
     
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     . . . a dominant 30% on 3rd down. Allowing a paltry 14 pts a game. Allowing around 260 yards a game, and not once allowing 300 yards a game. And the revamped secondary has made complete no shows of T.O., Lee Evans and now Tony Gonzalez. There is a long, long way to go, but there is also a *lot* to like about the speed and ability of this young defense. I can't wait until they get their assignements down, and NE can start throwing some exotic fronts out there. 
    Posted by zbellino

    Good diagnosis.

    Consider the points we've given up: 17, 16, then 10.

    All without Mayo, and today without Wilfork for a half. That is scary.

    Also for those complaining about vanilla D, we did pull a few more new looks today. Expect that to increase as we continue to find rhythm.

     
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    Z, I'm just tired of the weekly overreacting.  We lose a game and Bill Simmons is writing about the end of an era.  We win a game and you're writing about the best defense since 2003/04.  Of course the D is great.  We've had a great D all decade and will have another great one this year.  But if they have a bad game some week and give up 30, everyone will be calling for their heads.  Enough of the roller coaster reactions, let's just be content with what we got. 
    Posted by themightypatriotz

    It's not an overreaction on the defense. The Falcons offense is better than the Bills and Jets, and we shut them down after that 4th and 1 on our 25.

    There are trends you see that indicate whether a defense is for real, and the indicators are all there.

    There's a lot more to it than just looking at the box score.

     
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    In Response to Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons.... : BB finally realized that Wilhite $ucks.
    Posted by Kmax


    Wheatley didn't start, Bodden did (along with Springs).

    Pray, how does Wilhite $uck? 
     
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    How the hell did the bears release McGowan and not get anything in return?

    This guy is a stud he plays in the box in the nickle and he is looking much better than sandeers has this year...

    I feel the patriots have the best secondary in football accross the board becasue they do not have one guy that the other QB can pick on...

    Think about when bodden Meriwheather sanders, springs and wilhite are on the field they are all viable starters with strengths and limited weaknesses... That is becasue Bill does not put them in a position where another team can exploit there weaknesses..., whatever they may be?

    With Guyton playing the way he is right not we could easily have the best MLB tandum in the NFL when Mayo comes back... Thomas is OK in my opinion so the weakness is the left side

    The look 3:4 they gave at the beginning of the game was not bad

    Warren Wilfork Wright
    Burgess, Thomas, Guyton, Banta Cain
    Springs McGowan, Meriwheather, Bodden

    I think there best positions as far as talent goes is D Line and Safety which is why we are seeing a lot of nickle and less of this 3:4 Def of the past

    Somebody said Brace earlier in this post....... i did not see him all game????
     
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    In Response to Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons.... : It's not an overreaction on the defense. The Falcons offense is better than the Bills and Jets, and we shut them down after that 4th and 1 on our 25. There are trends you see that indicate whether a defense is for real, and the indicators are all there. There's a lot more to it than just looking at the box score.
    Posted by patpscyho


    Psycho and Z need to have a debate to see who is the better football guy.  I'll get it started ... is a 5 point stance over A gap in a 3 technique better suited against a single wing elephant?  Or a 4 point stance?
     
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    Posted by themightypatriotz


    You're joking right? None of what you are saying makes sense. 

    And with all due respects, there are quite a few posters here that know as much as I do, if not more, about football. They just don't talk as much as I do.

     
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    we'll see how it looks in crunch time with two minutes left in the game and if they can hold a lead. to their credit, they did look pretty good today
    Posted by kansaspatriot

    I believe your describing week 1 against the Bills,no?
     
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    they are doing good,but i wouldnt say great.in three games they have six sacks,and no int,s.so the pressure,and loss of yards,and turnover dept isnt good,but they are keeping the teams to so many yards in a game are good.17 pts in the first game,and 19 pts the second,and 10 pts the third game.its a good average.now we just need the offense to continue to get more points then what the defense gives.once the high caliber offensive teams come up,will be the best test for our defense buffalo,the jets,and falcons are not much of a test,but i like what im seeing so far.if they can get better at the take away dept,and more pressure on the qb,s.look out!
     
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    Where were the 'playmaker' on the 2001-2003-2004 defenses?
    Posted by Harleyroadking111


    If you don't consider the Tedy Bruschi of those seasons a "Playmaker", I'm not sure what games you watched. He didn't have the flashy stats, but he made plays when it absolutely counted the most. THAT is a playmaker.
     
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    they are doing good,but i wouldnt say great.in three games they have six sacks,and no int,s.so the pressure,and loss of yards,and turnover dept isnt good,but they are keeping the teams to so many yards in a game are good.17 pts in the first game,and 19 pts the second,and 10 pts the third game.its a good average.now we just need the offense to continue to get more points then what the defense gives.once the high caliber offensive teams come up,will be the best test for our defense buffalo,the jets,and falcons are not much of a test,but i like what im seeing so far.if they can get better at the take away dept,and more pressure on the qb,s.look out!
    Posted by mosseffect43

    That's because the defense is young and still learning the ropes, still learning how to work with the system. Once they have it down to the point where they don't have to think anymore, they'll start accomplishing those kinds of turnovers.

     
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    In Response to Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons.... : That's because the defense is young and still learning the ropes, still learning how to work with the system. Once they have it down to the point where they don't have to think anymore, they'll start accomplishing those kinds of turnovers.
    Posted by patpscyho
    im not saying they are bad,but not great just yet.i was saying once the turnovers,and sacks ect start happening.look out!
     
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    It's hard to compare a defense to the 03 and 04 championship winning defense because of one simple thing, those two defenses won the big game. Only time will tell what this defense is capable of. They continue to go out and play well enough to win the game. Belichick succeeded in what he set out to do. He wanted a younger, faster defense and he got it in this group. They were without their best player and on Sunday they lost the next best on that defense. The look on Jarivus Green's face made me think that they would start licking their chops and say that's the end of it. The D still played well.

    Once the NE offense start clicking on all cylinders this team will be the best in the league. When Mayo, Wilfork, and Welker come back we will officially be the team to beat. 


                                   Sanders            Meriweather
         
    Bodden                                                                            Wilhite/Springs
                           Banta-Cain   Guyton       Mayo       Thomas                                                           
                                 Wright        Wilfork        Warren

                            


       Moss             Light   Mankins Koppen  Neal Kazur            Welker
                                                                     Baker/Watson         Galloway




                                                        Tom Brady 


                                                        Fred Taylor 


    We are looking at a really good team. 
     
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    Guys,
    The Defense looks pretty good this season. Haven't really seen many blown coverage in the secondary (read: 3rd and 15th in the OT loss to R-A-T-S last season). I agree that lots of work still needs to be done, but this could be a building block to a good defensive team in the future. We can never have a D like Ravens and Steelers, but we can definitely be in top 5. Also, why are Pats so stingy in giving contracts to block buster players? I am sure that TB will cash in big time in the next year or so. Why can't they pay good $$ to lure away a stellar DT/DE/OLB? One block buster player can chage the way D plays (Read: Polamalu, Freeney, Sanders). I am not saying that they need to hand out absurd contract like Raiders and Redskins, but something in the range of what they paid to Seymour should attract a lot of attention to prized free-agents who don't have anything to prove except win a super-bowl ring.
    Any thoughts?
     
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    I hope everyone is right and this D does indeed prove itself mighty over the course of the season. However, it is not really "young." I think "balanced" is the better term--a nice mix of some young players and some seasoned vets.

    Be prepared for another significant overhaul of the CBs next year (again). If Bodden has a great year, will BB pay him? Can Springs stay healthy for the full year and next?

    It may very well be Wilhite (if he buys an alarm system) and Butler next year, which may be just fine.
     
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    So do you guys think Brace has been benched because of disappointing development, or surprising production from Wright, Pryor, etc?

     
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    In Response to Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons.... : If you don't consider the Tedy Bruschi of those seasons a "Playmaker", I'm not sure what games you watched. He didn't have the flashy stats, but he made plays when it absolutely counted the most. THAT is a playmaker.
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