This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons....

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    I hate the term playmaker. It is essentially meaningless outside of fingering one player with flashy statistics.


    I couldn't have said it/wrote it better.  Playmakers was a bad TV show.  Team defenses win championships, and we might have one on our hands here yet again.
     
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    How come, with all those pass deflections, our D couldn't haul in a single one.  I nearly had a heart attack with this game. 

    I'm not ragging on the D, I think they did great holding the Ravens to 14 points especially with the explanation that our hard hitting forced Clayton to drop the ball, it just seems like whenever it's our ball that is being knocked in the air, it's a turnover.  Why can't we get some?  I mean, one more turnover and we wouldn't have to listen to Ray Lewis put an asterisk next to our win.

     
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    In Response to Re: This defense looks like the best Pats "D" in a few seasons.... : They did. Bodden closed out the half by stopping the driving Ravens with a pick. No pick = points. Credit Bodden, who has been amazing this season. He looks like Ty Law out there. form tackling. Hitting. Deflections. Interceptions. And they can move him all over the field. Meriweather gets the game ball. The defensive MVP so far has been Bodden IMO.
    Posted by zbellino


    As good as Bodden was yesterday and has been all season, the player that also really impressed me was Darius Butler.  He made crucial deflections in or near the end zone yesterday that were horribly difficult plays to make on the ball...

     
     
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     . . . a dominant 30% on 3rd down. Allowing a paltry 14 pts a game. Allowing around 260 yards a game, and not once allowing 300 yards a game. And the revamped secondary has made complete no shows of T.O., Lee Evans and now Tony Gonzalez. There is a long, long way to go, but there is also a *lot* to like about the speed and ability of this young defense. I can't wait until they get their assignements down, and NE can start throwing some exotic fronts out there. 
    Posted by zbellino


    After 4 games, the only thing I'd argue about re the premise of this post is that I think the 2007 defense was championship caliber too.  Take back a couple of fortuitous bounces of the ball in the SB and it's inarguable.  That team, like this one (so far), was just very good at preventing the other team from scoring even though they were on the field an awful lot. 

    Personally, I hope they don't bring back Seau.  They don't need slow, old guys mucking up the works.  Unless it's just for the odd situation or to give somebody a rest every now and then.  If he's prominent, they're worse off as a defense.

    Also, maybe Mayo being out has been a blessing in disguise.  It's given others, most obviously Guyton, a chance to take on more responsibility and really step up.  That can't but help his development.  Not that I'm hoping Mayo is out much longer.
     
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    Wow...this board was awfully worried about the D before the season and I got no responses when I expected them to be very good and worried about the offensive line. Sure I want some recognition, but maybe I'll need a few thousand more posts : )
    Say it's early, but the D will improve, not get worse. Shoot, Butler saved 2 touchdowns.

    Hard work plus desire might equal success
     
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    Well with only two legitimate offenses left on our schedule, the D could turn in one of the best points allowed this decade:

    @Denver
    Tenn
    @Tampa Bay
    -bye-
    Miami
    @Indy*
    Jests
    @N'orleans*
    @Phins
    Caroline
    @Buff
    Jacksonville
    @Oilers

    I don't even think N'Orleans is that good an offense.  Really the only offense that has given us trouble in years is Indy.  If we can go 3-0 against Indy, Jests, Saints, we should get a first round bye.
     
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    But if the D has a bad game at some point this season, everyone will be calling for their heads, saying this is the worst defense in the history of professional or amateur football!
     
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    did anyone watch the pack/vikes game? the vikes had 8 sacks in that game.and something like 20 for the year.
     
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    the pats defense is getting better,but no. they are not where the vikings,or saints,bronco,s are.but come by november,or december?who knows.
     
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    Two sacks. Six PDs. And one big INT. I would like to know what the playmaker people think now. And no this isn't a baiting post at all. I want an honest opinion, and some more good discussion about the nature of stats, and whether they can mislead. This weak NE's defense thrived on the big play. But they gave up more yardage, and it was nip and tuck the entire way. Given your choice of those stats, or the relentless 3-out performance against Atlanta, which would you take? Why? Personally, I won't get down on them, because bottom line, they only allowed 14 points, again. But their 3rd down conversion rate wasn't very good, and the opposing offense got over 300 yards.
    Posted by zbellino

    Z - question on your post - how many PD's per game is considered good?  How many per defender, etc?
     
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    did anyone watch the pack/vikes game? the vikes had 8 sacks in that game.and something like 20 for the year.
    Posted by mosseffect43

    Moss,

    I did and I am not taking anything from the vikes or Allen, but the GB oline was abhorrent.  Allen did not look fast last night.  On at least one sack it looked like Rogers rolled a bit to his left right into Allen. 

    Freeney appears to be so much quicker.  that is not suggesting he is better than Allen, but I couldn't help wondering what Freeney would have done to that LT. 

    Maybe it was Allen's technique.  He seemed to come off the snap and just stop and wait for the LT to set himself or make a move and then Allen countered it.  They just did not seem like quick sacks.  That actually says alot about the Vikes DB's and LB's because they had their receivers covered.
     
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    Packers' stellar LT and his back-up are both injured, with other adjustments to their O-Line, as well. I don't think the Vikes' is dominant--Rodgers shredded them most of the game until it was out of hand and that endzone drop killed them. 

    The mix of vets and new blood on the Vikings' D reminds me of the Pats D. 

    Where's the damm pass rush from our All-pro backers?

    And I gotta mention how people were calling for Wright's head before the season ignoring all the plays he's made in the past. He's mean and has a crazy motor. That's what I see.

     
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    Man I love having underdog on the ignore list. 
     
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    the playmakers during the SB winning years were named : Bruschi, McGinnist, Law, Harrison, Phifer, Otis "my Man" Smith and most recently Samuel. 

    Hey, don't get me wrong, I really like what this D is doing right now! I know you said there's a long way to go but, there aren't 11 playmakers on this D and the term playmaker isn't a term for a player with "flashy stats". Quite the opposite actually, guys like Bruschi and Harrison didn't have the "flashy" numbers but they made the "Big Plays" when it counted. However, I wouldn't say that this team doesn't have any! This D is still searching for an Identity. I know , I know, they looked very good vs. BALT but they're gonna need to be consistent! Jurys' out, wait and see folks............. 
     
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    Willie Mac was a good player, but not a 'star.' Those are the same rose colored glasses that had people jumping off the roof when they cut Vrabel to the Chiefs. In that rough six year span he averaged about 6.5 sacks a season. Ty Law had a lot of cred, and was a star. He averaged about 3.5 picks a season. And Seymour averaged about 5 sacks a season. I think as a trio of stars, from a production standpoint, Wilfork, Thomas, and Bodden can cover those digits over the course, with subs from Wright, et al, as they are going 'hybrid' again like in 2001. Of course, my point is (and stats bear this out) that NE has never had big stat players. They never rely on the sack or INT to win a game. And when  they got it, it was because they built a lead, and forced the offense to challenge their zones, or forced the QB to swallow the ball. Case in point. One blown play was when Thomas came up to Ryan and Ryan tossed the ball over his head for a 1st. A more vanilla aproach would have had Thomas stay back, cover his zone, and let Warren and Co move the pocket into the sidleine. That would have likely resulted in a throw away by Ryan. Not sexy. No. What would have been sexy would have been one less 3rd down conversion, and the Falcons' punting team. The formula is simple: If you can stop a good runner (Turner) wiith 3-4 guys, you can then drop seven into zone/man, and if they can stop 4-5 guys from making a first down, the opponent won't score many points. The last few years NE didn't have the backs to do this. Period. Asante is the classic 'playmaer' who doens't make plays. He can jump a route and rack up INT totals, but he wasn't a lock-down guy, couldn't play man on large WRs, coundn't tackle, couldn't bump and run. Three weeks of Bodden, and I take Bodden every single time without thinking about it. This defense can defend he pass against top quality (T.O., Evans, Gonzo) players. The formula works again. And once the new guys get their feet wet, you will see a few more aggressive fronts, in *situational* football moments, that will key that big play from someone  because the defense won't be expecting it.
    Posted by zbellino


    Excellent post, but I too agree that Law, Seymour and Willie were all star playmakers.  It is not by accident that Willie holds the post season sack record.  He made countless critical plays. Same for Law. He wasn't just a guy making picks.  He could really lay the wood.  Seymour didn't have the gaudy stas becasue he was double-teamed most of the time, allowing other players to make plays.
     
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    Always felt that a PD on 3rd  and long was as good as an INT on a deep ball. Guyton looks like the real deal. When Mayo is healthy this D will be very good. I personally would like to see what Chung is capable of when he's not strictly on special teams, however, I might need some patience.
     
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    Looks like a long thread for a relatively unknown product.  Not sure how you guys think there is enough of a sample to warrant such a lengthy discussion but my two cents;

    This D is essentially the Tampa-2 Belichick style.  I don't know if it's by design or not but it's essentially Belichick's big strong defensive linemen who can stop the run on their own up front with a bunch of super speedy guys in the secondary.  The reason I don't think it's by design is there are no linebackers and no pass rushers who deserve a double team but it does seem to be working.  If nothing else they're slowing down the game and wearing out linemen.
     
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