This doesn't make any sense

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    Nice first post.^^
     
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    In Response to Re: This doesn't make any sense : I did not do a player by player check up, but I think that you are looking at a greater period of time than the article is talking about, which is the last 5 years.  If BB only got 9 starters out of 11 years, that would be pretty sad.  No one, including myself, is saying that he is a poor evaluator of talent.  There are misconceptions that he is some type of drafting guru or for that matter that his methods are the only way to have good drafts.  Neither are true.  It is what it is.  The results do not lie.   
    Posted by PhatRex


    Wait - so if the Patriots retained their draft pick for MORE THAN FIVE YEARS, this somehow counts against them?

    It's not the Patriots fault that they picked good players 6, 7, 8+ years ago AND convinced them to stick around.

    Your argument is PAINFULLY short-sighted.
     
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    His brain is painfully shortsighted.  Everything he says is here is to somehow take away from NE's incredible run here.
     
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    Undie give me a break, maybe some fans are still living in 01/03/ and 04 but most of us realize its a new team. For example last year and last year alone the Pats were far better then the Colts. Right?
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


    Yep.  Pats were better than the colts.  They beat the colts head to head, had a better record. But can you really dispute my point?  There are plenty of people here still caught up in that old history as if it just happened.  Really the only things that were there then that are around today are Belichick and Brady, right?

    The jets deserve props for what they've done the past couple of years.  Does that make them better than the pats over the last 5 (which I think is a relevant time frame), no.  In that time, the pats have been to as many afccg's, won one, and been to the playoffs in 4 of those 5 years, but you can't discount what they've done the past 2. 
     
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    let me add one other thing.  While rex can take pleasure in the Jets 09 run, he can't dispute that they likely wouldn't have made the playoffs had Indy decided to play the second half of their reg season match up or if Cincy decided to play the following week. 
     
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    In Response to Re: This doesn't make any sense : Why would keeping your players from before that work against you?  Are you suggesting that the reason for a relatively poor percentage is that the team was so stocked with previous awesome draft picks that there was no room for another awesome draft pick on the roster?  I guess if we followed that logic, all of those players not retained by NE would have likely gone to play for someone else and become superstars elsewhere.
    Posted by PhatRex

    One other note to this Rex that I have considered for the current draft.  The pats have had enough success that their roster is in pretty good shape.  Yet they've got all these draft picks which (if the CBA is not settled) they must use or swap for other picks this year or picks next year. 

    More picks are always better than less picks unless there are not enough spots on the roster to justify them.  
     
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    In Response to Re: This doesn't make any sense : That is as relevant as any other circumstance that may or may not have changed the course of any other game.  If Welker hadn't been benched...pastsies would not have choked.  If Sanchez didn't cough up the ball at the end of the first half against Pitt when he was sacked (leading to a TD) Jets would have not lost (the difference in the game was 5 points).  Your claim is based upon the fact that a couple of weeks later, fully staffed, the Colts beat the Jets.  Of course, apparently, you can crush a team 45-3 and then a few weeks later lose to them with the same team on the field. So, that victory tells you nothing.  So, what is fair game for an excuse?  An injury to a key player?  A coaching decision to play or not play someone?  A bad coaching decision to go for it on 4th down?  Bad field conditions that lead to a decisive TD?  A poor call by the refs? 
    Posted by PhatRex

    I see your point, and I do give credit where credit is due.  The Jets took advantage of the opportunity provided them by going to the AFCCG in 09.  That cannot be discounted. 

    But I think it is an important question to ask whether or not they would have even been in the playoffs had indy and cincy not rested their starters.  This is entirely different than winning because another team has injuries or a player makes a mistake in a game.  Those things happen, but not by choice.  Resting multiple players is a choice.  
     
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    In Response to Re: This doesn't make any sense : And BTW, your point is mixed with some contradictions.  You think that Indy would have won if they had played their starters the entire second half because they won a couple of weeks later.  However, you think Cincy would have won, if they 'decided to play' even though they were not only massacred that week, but then lost the following week to the Jets.  So, does that playoff win mean anything or not?
    Posted by PhatRex

    Rex - I can't make the assumption that either the colts or bengals would have won had they not rested their starters, but I can assume that their games would have been more competitive. 

    In the Indy game alone, the colts were ahead at the time they rested their starters in the second half and Painter was awful thereafter.
     
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    Tas - you specifically may give the jets credit for their recent play, but in your previous post you cited "most pats fans".  On this board, there are plenty of pats fans unwilling to give the jets credit for anything.
     
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    For the record, I have given the Jets credit for winning the playoff game and for Sanchez slighlty improving in 2010.

    What I don't give them credit for is winning absolutely nothing and then seeing their pathetic fans mouth off as they did.  Even the rest of the NFL is sick of that organization and they've done absolutely nothing/have nothing to show for it.

    I think it's pretty clear there is a distinction between blowhard, panty-waving, mouthbreathing Jets fans who think they are seeing a SB winner in the future and acknowledging progress for their team as compared to prior seasons or decades.
     
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    lol!

    Slow Phatty struggling yet again today.
     
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    Who knows what the number will be negotiated as, but you can bet the rate hikes will be less than what they were in the last deal.

    You're so stupid. You're more focused on a number than the concept.

    You're the Jets organization's wet dream.  You've been suckered yet again.

    Enjoy being the stupid schlep fan you've always been.

    lol
     
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    In Response to Re: This doesn't make any sense : It's easy to grasp onto whatever your team has accomplished, no?  It would be great to go undefeated, win the division, have the best O & D and win the SB. Now, back to reality.   I would definitely not feel any better had the Jets won the division and lost the AFC championship game in the same fashion.  In fact, winning a couple of playoff games, beating the vaunted division winner who had won 14 games and given a beating a few weeks earlier, is far more satisfying than a division crown and a flame out. And to carry that forward, had the Jets won the SB 5 years ago as opposed to 100 years ago, it would not make a bit of difference to me because both are irrelevant to the current product.   
    Posted by PhatRex


    Right, but you still did not accomplish what NE did (Div title) other than playing a game for another week that turned out to be worthless for your organization.

    Choking one week later is still choking.  You're the fat kid who soils his panties minutes after the other fat kid and claims it's different because you did it better and waited longer.  That's you as a Jets fan.

    Why do you act like the Jets did not have their SB jerseys made up last Spring?

    That's all we heard all summer, fall and winter.  All we heard.  All we heard.

    And your team CHOKED.  CHOKED in their SB winning season.

    Your team choked on the big one. Again. Second year in a row during their era of arrogance and bloated mediocrity.
     
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