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rkarp is a jets fan. He always bashes the Pats picks stating the Jets always pick better players. He's been doing it for years. I just wish he would admit to being a Jets fan and stop pretending to be a Pats fan with Jets envy. Why he would envy the circus that is the Jets, I don't know but there you have it.
I am not bashing the Pats picks, only stating my opinion, and parroting others opinions that I have spoken with and read.
My thought is that the players the Pats picked are irrelevant. They traded down, which most of the time will result in choosing a player that is needing time and development, or is a question to even make the team. I prefered a philosophy (like last year) of using the first pick on a player that could step in now and be part of the rotation.
Perhaps Collins is that player. Many feel he is not. Perhaps Dobson is that player. Many feel he will need 2-3 years.
Miliner, Trufant, Hayden, Floyd, Williams, Richardson in the opinion of many are players that would be picked from 8-25 that the Pats had the potential to maneuver to grab.
I thought the DT position and CB position were the 2 positions the Pats most needed to address. I was not a fan of using a high choice for a WR. I am perfectly happy with the choices of Dobson and Boyce. I simply see the WR depth chart looking somethikng like this;
I see Boyce at this time on the PS.
NOt a Jets fan, although I do like some of their players. SUrely the Jets had an easier time of filling needs as they are so numerous. To say that many thought Miliner was the #1 cb available, Richardson the #1 DT available, and Smith the #1 QB available, is not being a Jet fan. It is simply some one listening to the draft "guru's" and repeating what they said.
Personally, I would have very much liked Miliner to be with the PAts. Ditto Richardson. They were the best players to fill what I percieve to be the Pats biggest holes. I was not a fan of Smith, but I would have no problem the PAts using a 4th on Barkley/Nassib and then trading Mallett for a #2 next years draft
Rkarp1, the pat's were not going to trade up in this years draft. Last year the draft had much better talent in the 1st round so they identified their needs and acted accordingly. They also did not have the capital to get to the positions you were advocating for without leaving themselves thin with picks.
To be fair the same pundits who said that Richardson, Miliner and Smith were at the top od their positions (agree with richardson) also said that the talent level of the overall draft was weak.
thats your opinion and that is fine. I didnt even call you a Jets fan.
No worries people have called me worse.
I simply disagree. The Pats certainly had the capital to grab Williams or Trufant, and most likely Floyd.
As I stated they would have left themselves extremely thin for the rest of the draft. The draft talent this year did not warrant that kind of manuevering... as always it is just my opinion.
I see Lovie, Deadrick as free agents after next year, and I see Vince and Kelly both 31 years old with body types that wear down. I saw the DT position as need #1.
This I don't dispute. DT is going to be a big need down the road. I hate to sound like a homer but I can't imagine they don't have a plan going forward for this issue.
I also see Talib as one and done. I see #1 CB as a huge need, and dont see Dennerd, Arrington or Ryan as a potential #1 CB
I like you think Talib is here from only one year. It will be interesting to see if Dennard can develop into a #1 this year and dare I say if Ras-I can stay on the field and be a contributor. I would assume next year they will fill the CB position in free agency and Draft a CB relatively high (1st/2nd Round)
we seem to be agreeing, but excuse me for saying you are talking out of both sides of your mouth...
on the one hand you are saying it is a weak draft, and the talent is thin, yet the Pats acrued more picks in those rounds, where as in other drafts, those players could be 5th and later picks.
You dont sound like a homer, but what plan could they have for next years DT situation? 1)Resign the current guys, and Vince and Kelly are a year older. 2) spend in free agency (never!) 3) draft some one (hopefully in the last spot in round 1 after winning the SB)