Re: Thoughts on Pats Season Record:
posted at 8/16/2010 5:57 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Thoughts on Pats Season Record:
So, this team went from "old and slow" to "inexperienced" even though the entire starting D minus Warren, Green and Guyton returns. You seem to have an awfully high opinion of Ty Warren and Jarvis Green. That's your opinion and I disagree. WHat does Thomas have to do with Burgess? How about he reprsents an upgrade fro Thomas in 2009 just based on effort alone? Burgess came into camp last August and ended up taking Thomas's job away from him. This means he learned a new system, played hard and improved from a 3rd down rusher to a multiple down player. This also means it's HIGHLY LIKLEY that position will be improved this year. Unless of course, you have a very high opinion of Adalius Thomas in 2009? He's 31, had 35 tackles, 5.5 sacks and 1 FF. I'd have to look at how many snaps he was on the field for, but he was better in a shorter span than Adalius Thomas was. If he played more snaps, you can bet his production would be higher than that. Look around the AFC East and look at some other OLBs. Burgess, per snap, was more producitve thaqn Bryan Thomas. BRyan Thomas was on a #1 rated D. Burgess was on a D in flux with a brand new secondary. There is no way Burgess comes in here after BB not fining him for taking 2 weeks for personal business and then cuts him in the next 2 weeks. He passed his physical, he's cheap, they need him and under contract. Say what you want with your doom and gloom like it's fact, but this team is not going 8-8 with Brady and this offense. The D may need some time to become playoff ready, but they aren't going 8-8. Did you see Spikes in the game the other night? You don't see him as a more explosive player over Guyton even just from one game?
Posted by russgriswold
Seems your were wanting to say Adalius, but said Bryan Thomas.
The point your are missing is that you feel the Pats defense consists of the 11 starters. It doesn't. They will rotate 18-22 players over the 16 games on defense. The "experienced returning players" you mention, Banta Cain, Guyton, Wilfork, Wright are not every down players (who is these days?) The front 7 or 8 will consist of 14-16 players:
Warren (never played this system before)
Pryor (2nd year player)
Brace (2nd year player)
Lewis (never played this system before)
Deaderick? (first year player)
Spikes (never played this system before)
Mackenzie (never played this system before)
Cunnigham (first year player)
Guyton (2nd year player)
Chung (2nd year player)
Butler (2nd year player)
Mcourtney (first year player)
That is 17 players who should see significant playing time this year, of which 12 of the players are 1st or 2nd year in the system, or have never played the system.
I was very unimpressed with Burgess performance last year. He was HORRIBLE with the exception of 1.5 games (with one of the games against the worst OL in football...the Bills)
Look, I hope the team comes together. IMO youth is never served in football other than RB's. The team needed to be turned over. Now it will take its lumps. The schedule is brutal, the division,a laughingstock the past 5 years is now maybe the toughest in football (pardons to the NFC east).
I just don't see the these ridiculous claims of 11-14 wins. 6-9 wins IMO is much ore realistic.
Btw, I thought Greem was also horrible last year, and Ty Warren was at the end of the line anyways. I just dont see the answers being G Warren, Burgess and some first year players. That being said, I also felt that Adalius played better than he was given credit for on these boards