Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success?

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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : We-he-lll excuuuse me and every-one else for not making any sense... Look who's actin' like Mr HIGH & Mighty for bringing "something positive & simple at the core of an idea, for someone to take away" and "sense" and "a well rounded lesson" into the discussion.  Trying to pass these values off on us...well- Quite frankly you sir, make me s!ck.  We here were having a perfectly id!otic discussion, where our moral focus was quite aptly gradually lowering to heavier mud slinging coupled with just some very minor moral degradation on our opponents, ONLY to have You feel the need to chime on in with some common sense...  So well, chime Mr. Chimer, chime, chime, Chime RIGHT In with some more positive feelings!!  Ohhh, maybe I can maybe be polite to someone, Rather than carelessly breaking a minor law for no real reason= Is this the type'a "holier-than-thou" ya gonna start preaching me, Huh?!? Maybe then I can learn a lesson on what made me angry somewhere and try to make amends, rather than punch a hole in the wall, go on internet p0rn, play video games, Then forget how a hole got in my wall, the next morning???   Garbage like this!?!    Where Sir, do you get off having the nerve...
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium


    I'd enjoy reading if you didn't have run-on sentences and could make more readable sense. Just a thought...invest for Christmas while there's still time to effect the football season.



     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : the length of your response proves my point. Atheists are obsessed with God.  If Christians were as obsessed with God as atheists are, we'd be in church 24/7. It really amuses me - just mention Jesus and then watch the Atheists come running.  They are trained so well. it might be time for you to face a horrible fact - your entire life has been defined by your obsession with God.  You thought you were spitting in His face, when in reality you are obsessed with him. Truly amusing.  And if you want to work on Christmas - knock yourself out Mr. Atheist.  Why do you have opinions on our religious symbols?  Becuase you are obsessed with God.
    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost

    The length was to leave nothing to doubt.  Articulate, concise, specific.  

    I have to listen to comments by Christians about Christianity on almost every day I go to work.  Not just at this job, but at all of the others ones before it with any number of people in a group. It's a drag and it wears on the rest of us, be us atheists, Muslims, Jews, mystics, Hindus or whatever.  Christians can't shut up about their beliefs.  So theocentric, ad nauseum. You are programmed to try to convince everybody that you are right ("chosen") and that if we don't join you we are wrong ("damned").  It is no different to me than those American Krishna's hassling people in airports in the 1970s and '80s. If that was not bad enough, your whole belief system is built upon lies, death, torture, oppression, corruptioon, manipulation, hypocrisy and exploitation.  Maybe that's all why it has been so enduring - those are powerful tools. And you label atheists "obsessed"? Yeah, right.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : the length of your response proves my point. Atheists are obsessed with God.  If Christians were as obsessed with God as atheists are, we'd be in church 24/7. It really amuses me - just mention Jesus and then watch the Atheists come running.  They are trained so well. it might be time for you to face a horrible fact - your entire life has been defined by your obsession with God.  You thought you were spitting in His face, when in reality you are obsessed with him. Truly amusing.  And if you want to work on Christmas - knock yourself out Mr. Atheist.  Why do you have opinions on our religious symbols?  Becuase you are obsessed with God.
    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost


    Nice try.

    You're like any other Christian. When anyone makes logical, rational, and legitimate points, you simply cover your ears and eyes, and starting stamping the floor and screaming.

    You completely missed the point of his post, and my guess is that you chose not to read it, and instead repeated the same mindless rhetoric from before. 

    The only people who are, "Trained so well..." are you Christians, who instead of having a rational discussion, simply ignore the other party and repeat what you're 'god' has told you to, or what you feel ever so strongly in.
     
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    In Response to Re:  My wife is a life-long Buddhist and she has never asked me to join in her religion, except to drive her to her temple when she did not yet drive, or to experience a festival.  No pushing.  No guilt.  No prevalence.  No manipulation.  NO insistence.  No condemnation.  So I have no problem with a religion when it respects my belief to be an atheist, as Buddhism does. In short, you statement is just another Christian lie, this one steeped in jingoism.
    Posted by chrisakawoody[/QUOTE]

    This nation was founded by a people who left the European continent in search of religious freedom. Religion and GOD were thanked and memorialized in all civic and national documents and occasions throughout history. The majority of the world has a belief in a creator and Lord. Yet even as you enjoy the benefits of the sacrifice of those who went before you, you wish to have there dependents bow before your lack of belief. You will be allowed to enjoy your lack of faith as guaranteed by our forefathers but the rest of the country will also be allowed to continue in their rights to practice and profess their beliefs as all their forefathers had. If you enter a house of worship do not expect it to change for your sake, just walk out again, If you are born into a house of worship and do not believe it is best just to leave. And if you feel out numbered fine because you are.

    You may wish to speak to your wife of her beliefs because your religions are much more similar than you think, and yes atheism is a form of belief or religion. Nether of you believe in a creator or true form of GOD. And you may also believe in the five basic precepts of her faith. Nether of you see a reason to understand the creation or the end of time. And you can't deny the lives of the great social or religious teachers (profit's) in the history of the world. You may very well be a Buddhist convert in denial.

    Lastly you refer to the terms Christians and Jingoism as some sort of insult. This prejudice in your attitude to one of the greatest entities to have walked the earth and loyalty to the country that gave you the freedom to say what you say is totaly atrocious and unacceptable. Are all Atheists to be grouped into one category and judged so?
     
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    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost


    I didn't have one word to say about God until you religious nuts came in here and started trying to cram your beliefs down everyone's throats. Most people are sick of it.

    I'm sorry to burst your self absorbed bubble but 99% of atheists are the same way. We could care less about God until you bible thumpers come around and try to impose your beliefs on us, talk down to us (as if WE are the ones being irrational) and spout gibberish.

    I get to decide what I think is rational. What is reasonable. And ultimately what I believe. Not you. I know that drives you people crazy. But if you want peaceful coexistence, you are going to have to accept that.
     
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    In Response to Re:   I have to listen to comments by Christians about Christianity on almost every day I go to work.

    Maby there is something to it if the sheer number are overwhelming to you. But you do not have to listen. How are you being physicaly forced. 

    It's a drag and it wears on the rest of us, be us atheists, Muslims, Jews, mystics, Hindus or whatever.

    You find yourself competent to speak for all world religions. Or maby just the selfishness of your self.

     your whole belief system is built upon lies, death, torture, oppression, corruption, manipulation, hypocrisy and exploitation.

    You have deluded your self into an incoherent rant, the Christian system of belief is built on the life and teachings of the life of Christ. How do you correlate that with Lies death torture oppression corruption manipulation hypocrisy and exploitation?  You are sinking into nothing more than theatrics and outright lies in an attempt to insult a belief system that profess's forgiveness and charity. No organized faith currently or ever has been responsible for so much charity  and assistance to the needy of the world. Can you say the same of your "organized atheistic faith"
     Maybe that's all why it has been so enduring - those are powerful tools.

    Truth and righteousness enduring and powerful tools.
     
    And you label atheists "obsessed"?

    I do not apply labels to any groups, but it does appear YOU are obsessed. 

     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : Nice try. You're like any other Christian. When anyone makes logical, rational, and legitimate points, you simply cover your ears and eyes, and starting stamping the floor and screaming. You completely missed the point of his post, and my guess is that you chose not to read it, and instead repeated the same mindless rhetoric from before.  The only people who are, "Trained so well..." are you Christians, who instead of having a rational discussion, simply ignore the other party and repeat what you're 'god' has told you to, or what you feel ever so strongly in.
    Posted by vertigho


    Doyou think it is ratiuonal for a bunch of Atheists to have strong opinions about Tim Tebow's faith?  Why do you care?

    You wouldn't know logic if it slapped you across the face.

    The entire Atheist movement is defined by a God you don't believe in.  I'm sure that is frustrating and why you are so damned angry all the time.

    this thread is the perfect illustration of your illogic.  "We atheists are soooooo sick of talking about Christianity that we have decided to show up and write incredibly long-winded posts about how sick of Christianity and Christians we truly are." 

    It's like an SNL sketch!

    But you remain obsessed with discussing Christianity and God. 

    You won't catch me discussing NASCAR - ever.  I have no interest in it.

    You who claim to be an Atheist spend inordinate amounts of time seeking arguments about God and Christianity.

    Maybe you're just a little insecure.

    But it is very amusing to me.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : I didn't have one word to say about God until you religious nuts came in here and started trying to cram your beliefs down everyone's throats. Most people are sick of it. I'm sorry to burst your self absorbed bubble but 99% of atheists are the same way. We could care less about God until you bible thumpers come around and try to impose your beliefs on us, talk down to us (as if WE are the ones being irrational) and spout gibberish. I get to decide what I think is rational. What is reasonable. And ultimately what I believe. Not you. I know that drives you people crazy. But if you want peaceful coexistence, you are going to have to accept that.
    Posted by df2


    Really?

    So you, an enlightened and rational atheist, are shocked - SHOCKED I SAY! - that a thread entitled "Tim Tebow and Christianity" would attract a discussion on the Christian faith?

    What kind of an enlightened, rational creature are you?

    Only a drooling imbecile would think this was the thread that Atheists should come to in order to avoid a discussion of the Christian faith.

    Like I said, you atheists are obsessed with God.  Anytime He is mentioned - you come running for Daddy.  Oh sure, you like to throw tantrums about how Daddy is mean and terrible.

    But it is so obvious - you CRAVE His attention.  Just like little kids acting up to get Daddy to take notice.
     
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    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost


    Now here's a typical example of Christian BS. If you don't belong to our church you are an atheist and therefore have no beliefs and are an immoral low life. You people just can't seem to accept that a person can be a good human being and live a moral life while at the same time refusing to prostrate themselves before your version of God. As for your 99% BS... Funny how those who indentify themselves as being morally superior just can't help but lie when it comes to promoting your church.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : Doyou think it is ratiuonal for a bunch of Atheists to have strong opinions about Tim Tebow's faith?  Why do you care? You wouldn't know logic if it slapped you across the face. The entire Atheist movement is defined by a God you don't believe in.  I'm sure that is frustrating and why you are so damned angry all the time. this thread is the perfect illustration of your illogic.  "We atheists are soooooo sick of talking about Christianity that we have decided to show up and write incredibly long-winded posts about how sick of Christianity and Christians we truly are."  It's like an SNL sketch! But you remain obsessed with discussing Christianity and God.  You won't catch me discussing NASCAR - ever.  I have no interest in it. You who claim to be an Atheist spend inordinate amounts of time seeking arguments about God and Christianity. Maybe you're just a little insecure. But it is very amusing to me.
    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost



    vast amounts of money, blood and cruelty have been and continue to be exercised on religious 'expression,' as chris pointed out. 

    that fact bothers me tremendously. 

    if i were an atheist, it would infuriate me. 

    the fact it amuses you says more about you than it does him.
     
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    glenr, just because I'm from Michigan doesn't mean i am not a Patriots fan.  I am originally from the area and root for all boston teams.  And I am not preaching about Tebow.  I'm just tired of the media playing up all the thugs that play professional sports and they want to tear down Tebow.  Who do you want your kids to model themselves after?
    Posted by MichFan


    Any parent who has to have their kids model themselves after someone other than themselves can't be a very good parent.

    And here we go with the stupid false martyr act again. I don't know what media you watch but any that I've seen are split on Tebow's skills as a QB. I have never seen or heard a sports annalist mention his religion. Maybe you should stop getting your info exclusively from the 700 club and that lying dirtbag pat robertson.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : I'd enjoy reading if you didn't have run-on sentences and could make more readable sense. Just a thought...invest for Christmas while there's still time to effect the football season.
    Posted by WesternOregon


    Tossing insults now. Is this another example of Christian behavior?
     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : Well, if that's not a cult, then...
    Posted by chrisakawoody
      Tebow's says if you give him money for his orphan brain washing ministry in the Philioppines " your investment will have eternal significance."...........I can't believe the NFL is promoting child abbusers like the Tebows
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re:  My wife is a life-long Buddhist and she has never asked me to join in her religion, 

     Buddist's are cool...Laughing
     
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    In Response to Re:  My wife is a life-long Buddhist and she has never asked me to join in her religion,   Buddist's are cool...
    Posted by Mungomunro

    So true.  And my wife is very, very cool.

     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : Now here's a typical example of Christian BS. If you don't belong to our church you are an atheist and therefore have no beliefs and are an immoral low life. You people just can't seem to accept that a person can be a good human being and live a moral life while at the same time refusing to prostrate themselves before your version of God. As for your 99% BS... Funny how those who indentify themselves as being morally superior just can't help but lie when it comes to promoting your church.
    Posted by glenr


    I haven't mentioned a church and I haven't mentioned my beliefs prostrate or otherwise.

    I'm just pointing out how silly you are.  You come to a thread that is expressly about Christianity, to discuss Christianity with the sole intent of complaining about how you are not a Christian and you are sick of Christianity.

    That doesn't seem raional nor enlightened coming from a "Bright" such as you are.

    As i said - I have zero interest in NASCAR.  You won't find me in NASCAR threads bemoaning the popularity of NASCAR, the rules of NASCAR, or whining about how I am sick of talking about NASCAR.

    Pity that Atheists are unable to do likewise.  When they here "Jesus" the Atheists come a'runnin!

     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : vast amounts of money, blood and cruelty have been and continue to be exercised on religious 'expression,' as chris pointed out.  that fact bothers me tremendously.  if i were an atheist, it would infuriate me.  the fact it amuses you says more about you than it does him.
    Posted by fatsam72


    Atheists need to lighten up.  They must be a lot of fun at dinner parties - eavesdropping on conversations - waiting to hear the word "god" so they can loudly declare their indignance.

    Yes, I do find Atheists to be very amusing.  They literally live at odds with themselves and logic. 

    Should I pity them instead?  Probably - but they are just so damned amusing.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : Tossing insults now. Is this another example of Christian behavior?
    Posted by glenr


    Now the Atheist is appealing to Christian charity for kindness?

    Monty Python is less ridiculous!
     
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    Understand this symbol and you will understand why the thought of a god is so preposterous to some.  It existed before there was a crucifix, and it was a harbinger of war before the cross became the symbol of your salvation. 

     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow and Christianity: Is it the secret of his success? : I haven't mentioned a church and I haven't mentioned my beliefs prostrate or otherwise. I'm just pointing out how silly you are.  You come to a thread that is expressly about Christianity, to discuss Christianity with the sole intent of complaining about how you are not a Christian and you are sick of Christianity. That doesn't seem raional nor enlightened coming from a "Bright" such as you are. As i said - I have zero interest in NASCAR.  You won't find me in NASCAR threads bemoaning the popularity of NASCAR, the rules of NASCAR, or whining about how I am sick of talking about NASCAR. Pity that Atheists are unable to do likewise.  When they here "Jesus" the Atheists come a'runnin!
    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost

    Here's the thing, this forum has been flooded with holy rollers promoting the divine greatness of Tebow for the past few weeks and we are collectively getting sick of our format being turned into a religious platform.  

    For all the evil acts that can be attributed to Christianity, in the past and the present, I will have you imagine this situation compared to a group of neo-Nazi coming here to spread their opinions on this sports format, making typically stupid claims like that White QBs are better than Black QBs.  I don't care if I don't have to participate in that thread.  It doesn't belong here at all. I don't want it here.  It is inappropriate to the format. I will argue against it being here.

    Now imagine four or five of those neo-Nazi threads here, with several neo-Nazis perpetuating them and antogonizing anybody who points out that this is not a neo-Nazi format and that they are not welcome to spread their propaganda here.  It is much like how there have been several people here posting about Tebow in multiple strings, with antagonism in some threads, bent on keeping them going, for the main reason that Tebow is a devout Christian, postulating some derivation of the spew that his team is winning because of his particular faith and "ergo he is the Chosen One". That his family allegedly exploits third-world street kids to make millions is an extra-greasy part of it.

    That is a succinct analogy, from a non-Christian's POV.  

    This is not a thelogical format.  

    It is not a pollitical format.  

    It is not a NASCAR format

    It is not a neo-Nazi format.  

    It is a Pats format.

    End of story. 

     
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    Thanks Chrisakawoody - I don't get Shumpeter's  comparison about not posting on a NASCAR thread.  That comparison would only make sense if you had gone to a relgious thread to respond to all this drivel.

    Well this is not a religious thread, it's a Patriots On the Front Burner thread.  If these Tebow fans want to discuss religion, please take it to a religious forum.  But that's not what you all really want to do, you just want to antagonize fans of the Patriots who want to discuss Patriots' football. 

    I've complained mutiple times to boston.com to no avail.  Maybe I'm not doing it the right away (I use the report abuse feature.)

    And this is the last time I'm responding to this garbage because I'm just adding to the problem.


     
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    Very creepy discussion
     
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