Time to commit to a featured running back?

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    Time to commit to a featured running back?

    The Pats have been without a featured running back since we had Dillon.  We use a running back by comity more than any other team in the NFL.  While it's fun to guess who is going to be this weeks leading rusher, it really does nothing in the way of building consistency and chemistry.  Now before I get a hundred or so reply posts about supposidly knowing more than Bill B., I would like to state that I do not know more than BB, so there is no need to go there.  This is a simple observation that I would love to throw out there and get a read on.  Personally, I love this BJGE kid!  I think if the Pats were committed to giving him the ball 20+ times a game, he could be the answer to our RB woes.  Faulk should continue to be used in his third down role.  Thoughts......? 
     
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    we're in a position to draft a high calibur RB in 2011. Until then, Law Firm.
     
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    BTW...  Sooo excited for that draft pick in 2011!!
     
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    i dont think you'd pick a rb that high
     
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    2011???  I'm hoping for that middle linebacker from Alabama - they say he's better than Brian Urlacher was.  Otherwise, I think it would be high time to draft a stud left tackle or receiver.  Cornerback might become an issue again since I don't see the Patriots re-signing both Bodden and Springs.

    At this point, who knows?

    I will say this, though - I'm sure glad we didn't commit to Taylor as our featured back.  His injury demonstrates the risk of putting all of your eggs in one basket.
     
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    The days of feature backs are drawing to a close. I disagree that the Pats use the committee approach more than other teams. All of the other teams in the AFC East split the work load. Also, look at Dallas with Barber, Jones and Choice. Even the team the Pats just played, the Ravens, have Rice and McGahee.

    I posted on this earlier--how would you like to be paying McGahee $6mil+ to have Rice be your big stud back?

    There's too much risk involved to draft an RB high in the first. How do you think Peterson slipped to #7? For every one like him there are many Tim Biakabutukas.

    I think the real question is why the Pats never try to find an RB in rounds 3-6.
     
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    The days of feature backs are drawing to a close. I disagree that the Pats use the committee approach more than other teams. All of the other teams in the AFC East split the work load. Also, look at Dallas with Barber, Jones and Choice. Even the team the Pats just played, the Ravens, have Rice and McGahee. I posted on this earlier--how would you like to be paying McGahee $6mil+ to have Rice be your big stud back? There's too much risk involved to draft an RB high in the first. How do you think Peterson slipped to #7? For every one like him there are many Tim Biakabutukas. I think the real question is why the Pats never try to find an RB in rounds 3-6.
    Posted by seattlemaslow


    I agree. We did commit to a feature RB when we passed on santonio holmes, deangelo williams, joe addai and nick mangold to pick maroney at #21. 

    How'd that work out for us?
     
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    The days of feature backs are drawing to a close. I disagree that the Pats use the committee approach more than other teams. All of the other teams in the AFC East split the work load. Also, look at Dallas with Barber, Jones and Choice. Even the team the Pats just played, the Ravens, have Rice and McGahee. I posted on this earlier--how would you like to be paying McGahee $6mil+ to have Rice be your big stud back? There's too much risk involved to draft an RB high in the first. How do you think Peterson slipped to #7? For every one like him there are many Tim Biakabutukas. I think the real question is why the Pats never try to find an RB in rounds 3-6.
    Posted by seattlemaslow


    The Cowboys use two primary backs the majority of the time.  Most other teams use two split backs which is ok too.  But week-in week-out we never know who is going to carry the ball among our four backs.  Ask any running back in the NFL today and they will tell you that it takes them a few carries to "get into the game".  By the time the Pats get Maroney, Morris, Taylor, Faulk or BJGE into it, they have given up on the running game and have gone pass happy.  One main guy who can be spelled by another solid backup (1A or 1B) would give this team a better chance to establish a running game.  I also think it would benefit the blocking by the offensive line once they get used to a back.  I do agree with you that spending 6 Million on one guy isn't the answer, but I don't recall Dillon or Robert Edwards making that kind of dough.
     
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     Even when we had dillon it was a time share. I loved Twinblades but they were still a committee 

    I suppose there is a small possibility but I dont think we will never have a feature back in N.E not while BB is around 

    BB will always be a committee guy and that makes sense. RBs always get injured. Rbs are always over paid

    You can find some great value out there like the patriots do year in year out and allot those millions to other areas in need. 

    Maybe its been a tough start but the pats were still 6th last year......and the philosophy continues to prove the genius
     
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    In Response to Re: Time to commit to a featured running back? : I agree. We did commit to a feature RB when we passed on santonio holmes, deangelo williams, joe addai and nick mangold to pick maroney at #21.  How'd that work out for us?
    Posted by unclealfie



    BB/Pioli etc

    cant be right all the time

    coming out of college Maroney looked like the next big thing not holmes, not williams

    dont forget 

    chad jackson
    bethel johsnon

     
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    BTW...  Sooo excited for that draft pick in 2011!!
    Posted by Payment84



    Mark Engram
    Jeffrey Demps


    just a thought (with ties to bb)
     
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     Even when we had dillon it was a time share. I loved Twinblades but they were still a committee  I suppose there is a small possibility but I dont think we will never have a feature back in N.E not while BB is around  BB will always be a committee guy and that makes sense. RBs always get injured. Rbs are always over paid You can find some great value out there like the patriots do year in year out and allot those millions to other areas in need.  Maybe its been a tough start but the pats were still 6th last year......and the philosophy continues to prove the genius
    Posted by steve1581


    I don't have a problem with two backs (like I stated earlier a 1A and 1B kind of option).  The problem is we have options A, B, C, and D.  Four guys sharing the running back duties it too much.  Not having had a 1,000 yard runner since we had a 1A (Dillon type) and 1B running back (Faulk) option kind of supports my theory.  Even if say Morris and BJGE split carries 50/50, it's better than running these guys in and out and not establishing a consistant running attack.  The Pats have become so predictable on offense that our running game has to start being featured more.  As the weather gets worse, we can't rely on Brady throwing 50+ times a game.
     
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    2011???  I'm hoping for that middle linebacker from Alabama - they say he's better than Brian Urlacher was.  Otherwise, I think it would be high time to draft a stud left tackle or receiver.  Cornerback might become an issue again since I don't see the Patriots re-signing both Bodden and Springs. At this point, who knows? I will say this, though - I'm sure glad we didn't commit to Taylor as our featured back.  His injury demonstrates the risk of putting all of your eggs in one basket.
    Posted by NickC1188


    Agreed, get a stud Left Tackle!  Problem is we can't wait until 2011 to address this issue.....
     
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    In Response to Re: Time to commit to a featured running back? : I don't have a problem with two backs (like I stated earlier a 1A and 1B kind of option).  The problem is we have options A, B, C, and D.  Four guys sharing the running back duties it too much.  Not having had a 1,000 yard runner since we had a 1A (Dillon type) and 1B running back (Faulk) option kind of supports my theory.  Even if say Morris and BJGE split carries 50/50, it's better than running these guys in and out and not establishing a consistant running attack.  The Pats have become so predictable on offense that our running game has to start being featured more.  As the weather gets worse, we can't rely on Brady throwing 50+ times a game.
    Posted by DStroh1



    If you are concerned with individual stats and want a 1000 yard rusher thats fine. I would like that too but with the committee the pats have been just as effective. When it comes to draft strategy I personally would prefer to see the pats focus on oline/ de/linebacker in the first round. I personally dont really care whether it is 2 guys or 4 guys but I do like having the depth because running backs are easily injured. I also think (1b)Maroney was supposed to take over for dillon(1a) and well, that never happened. Maroney and Dillon were the two back combo. (Twinblades)Faulk has always been a 3rd down guy. 

    That doesnt really matter but I think the rb position can be greatly over valued and while I agree that we cant look to brady to carry the team I also dont have a desire for a highly paid rb. If we draft one early cool , if we look towards the retirement committee thats cool too. Whatever gets the job done. 
     
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    I like the idea of a committee, but agree having four backs in the rotation is too many. I like the idea of having a 3 man rotation. "Downhill Bruiser" a la Sammy Morris, "Speed Guy" supposed to be Maroney but thats a different conversation all together and a "Scat Back" or hands RB on third down in Kevin Faulk. I think dressing 4 RBs and expecting them to all contribute is too many on game day. I agree RBs all say they need to find a rythm. You cannot do that if you only get 6 carries. Dressing 4 or even 5 RBs on game day is too many and takes away from other positions.

    Would prefer to see one of them sit down and bump up maybe Nunn to have more depth at the WR position.
     
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    In Response to Re: Time to commit to a featured running back? : I don't have a problem with two backs (like I stated earlier a 1A and 1B kind of option).  The problem is we have options A, B, C, and D.  Four guys sharing the running back duties it too much.  Not having had a 1,000 yard runner since we had a 1A (Dillon type) and 1B running back (Faulk) option kind of supports my theory.  Even if say Morris and BJGE split carries 50/50, it's better than running these guys in and out and not establishing a consistant running attack.  The Pats have become so predictable on offense that our running game has to start being featured more.  As the weather gets worse, we can't rely on Brady throwing 50+ times a game.
    Posted by DStroh1


    the problem here is that you only go to the RB by committee approach when you lack a true feature back. For example, morris + faulk + BJGE do not equal one addai, steven jackson or chris johnson.
     
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    I like the idea of a committee, but agree having four backs in the rotation is too many. I like the idea of having a 3 man rotation. "Downhill Bruiser" a la Sammy Morris, "Speed Guy" supposed to be Maroney but thats a different conversation all together and a "Scat Back" or hands RB on third down in Kevin Faulk. I think dressing 4 RBs and expecting them to all contribute is too many on game day. I agree RBs all say they need to find a rythm. You cannot do that if you only get 6 carries. Dressing 4 or even 5 RBs on game day is too many and takes away from other positions. Would prefer to see one of them sit down and bump up maybe Nunn to have more depth at the WR position.
    Posted by MaritimePatsFan



    I like that idea
     
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    In Response to Re: Time to commit to a featured running back? : the problem here is that you only go to the RB by committee approach when you lack a true feature back. For example, morris + faulk + BJGE do not equal one addai, steven jackson or chris johnson.
    Posted by unclealfie



    did you really just say that they aren't worth one addai?

    sheesh
     
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    The reason the committee is supposed to be better is you get a multiple skill set of talents, ie. bulldozer, juke and jive type guy and the scat back for three low prices. A featured back like say L.T. demands a higher contract than Morris Maroney and Faulk combined. I think we all agree the committee in this sense is better because if the one feature back gets injured you normally would have a big dropoff in talent because so much money is already tied up in the position. I think it is better to spread the money around and get slightly above average RBs with a different skill set.

    The only problem we have right now with our RBs is Maroney's best season was his rookie season. We haven't seen anything close to that year except maybe a four game stretch two years ago.
     
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    I like the idea of a committee, but agree having four backs in the rotation is too many. I like the idea of having a 3 man rotation. "Downhill Bruiser" a la Sammy Morris, "Speed Guy" supposed to be Maroney but thats a different conversation all together and a "Scat Back" or hands RB on third down in Kevin Faulk. I think dressing 4 RBs and expecting them to all contribute is too many on game day. I agree RBs all say they need to find a rythm. You cannot do that if you only get 6 carries. Dressing 4 or even 5 RBs on game day is too many and takes away from other positions. Would prefer to see one of them sit down and bump up maybe Nunn to have more depth at the WR position.
    Posted by MaritimePatsFan


    My feelings exactly!  To use your example against say the Broncos, start Morris if you think he is the main guy.  Commit about 20 carries to him.  Then bring in Maroney to give him a breather and use Faulk as your third down specialist.  The only reason I would rather see BJGE (well actually three reasons) is one his age.  I'm not sure at 33 he can handle 20 carries like BJGE.  Two, Morris is not as good a blocker (see hit that knocked Brady out last year).  Three, he's more injury prone.  I think BJGE can be your "downhill bruiser" if given the chance.  Anyway, six or so carries each isn't going to cut it!  I would love to see Edelman, Moss, and Welker on the field in a three receiver set.  Maybe put Nunn in to give the other three a breather from time to time. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Time to commit to a featured running back? : the problem here is that you only go to the RB by committee approach when you lack a true feature back. For example, morris + faulk + BJGE do not equal one addai, steven jackson or chris johnson.
    Posted by unclealfie


    I'll give you two out of three on that one.  Steven Jackson and Chris Johnson are truely featured backs.  Addai is a product of the system.  I went to college with Rhodes and he looked awesome in the Colts backfield too.  Again, it's more the system with the Colts.  I'm not so sure Maroney wouldn't be an All Pro had he been drafted by the Colts (I know I'm going to hear about that from several readers)!  Manning just has so many weapons on the receiving end that the running backs are an afterthought when defending against that team.
     
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    The only problem I have with Moss, Welker, and Edleman 3 receiver set is normally you have Faluk on there as well. (He plays 60% of the snaps for the RBs) So you have 3 guys on the field who all excel at the underneath routes and then Moss. The real big play threat downfield. So Moss gets double teamed with Safety over the top and then you have 3 underneath receivers With Ben Watson, maybe, trying to stretch the opposite side of the field taking coverage away from Moss? I think Watson is best at the medium route myself. Anyway, I would think you need another receiver oppostie Moss to stretch field to clear room for Welker and Edleman, otherwise you have a lot of defenders in close to the two of them meaning they have to catch in traffic and less YAC.

    A lot of people didn't give Donte Stallworth enough credit. I mean he only caught 35-40 balls that year but he could stretch the field. That is what allowed Moss to catch 23 TDs and Welker to catch 115 balls in '07
     
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    haveing a 1000 yard rusher dosent solve a thing.you can have three backs rushing for 500 yrds apeice and get the same results.its near the goal line when it counts.punching it in for a td.sure its great to see a back break a long one for a td.but none of it dosent guarantee anything.as for BJGE,until he proves something other then have two good games against lousy teams,im not sold on him yet.not that he couldnt be a diamond in the rough.but everytime i bank on something,the results end up the other way.
     
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    In Response to Re: Time to commit to a featured running back? : If you are concerned with individual stats and want a 1000 yard rusher thats fine. I would like that too but with the committee the pats have been just as effective. When it comes to draft strategy I personally would prefer to see the pats focus on oline/ de/linebacker in the first round. I personally dont really care whether it is 2 guys or 4 guys but I do like having the depth because running backs are easily injured. I also think (1b)Maroney was supposed to take over for dillon(1a) and well, that never happened. Maroney and Dillon were the two back combo. (Twinblades)Faulk has always been a 3rd down guy.  That doesnt really matter but I think the rb position can be greatly over valued and while I agree that we cant look to brady to carry the team I also dont have a desire for a highly paid rb. If we draft one early cool , if we look towards the retirement committee thats cool too. Whatever gets the job done. 
    Posted by steve1581


    Completely agree Steve. Nothing wrong with a rb by committee as long as you get results. So far the results have been mixed but good for the most part. Dillion is really the only back we have had since Curtis who could handle the load. Antione was a big beast and for the most part not appreciated enough to a lot of fans yet he really needed Faulk to handle a good 30-40% of the carries. No need with our offense to commit 40 million dollars to a high rated college rb. However if another Corey Dillion type veteran becomes available(maybe Larry Johnson in a trade next year) then I wouldnt mind seeing BB make another move.
     
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    The only problem I have with Moss, Welker, and Edleman 3 receiver set is normally you have Faluk on there as well. (He plays 60% of the snaps for the RBs) So you have 3 guys on the field who all excel at the underneath routes and then Moss. The real big play threat downfield. So Moss gets double teamed with Safety over the top and then you have 3 underneath receivers With Ben Watson, maybe, trying to stretch the opposite side of the field taking coverage away from Moss? I think Watson is best at the medium route myself. Anyway, I would think you need another receiver oppostie Moss to stretch field to clear room for Welker and Edleman, otherwise you have a lot of defenders in close to the two of them meaning they have to catch in traffic and less YAC. A lot of people didn't give Donte Stallworth enough credit. I mean he only caught 35-40 balls that year but he could stretch the field. That is what allowed Moss to catch 23 TDs and Welker to catch 115 balls in '07
    Posted by MaritimePatsFan



    Which is exactly why we brought in Galloway. A burner who stretches the defense and opens things up in the middle, unfortunetly we have tried to make him a possession wr since WW's injury. I hope we give Galloway another shot on Sunday and I think we will
     
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