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Time to get Galloway off the field?

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    I'm pretty sure if Brady wanted Nunn on the field he would be there.
     
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    In hindsight, I guess releasing Greg Lewis was probably not the right move

     
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    I would love to seen Nunn brought up,  I thought he looked great in preseason when Galloway looked as bad as he does now.  I am excited for Tate to be ready but I thought it was very unlikely that he'd play this season?
     
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    I think Edelman's top end speed is probably where it needs to be. That return he had in the preseason demonstrated he's got some wheels
     
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    Donald Haynes ... great call on that. Perfect analog.
     
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    I haven't, but I try not to get overhyped about young WRs. It can be a difficult spot to transition, let alone for a guy like Tate, who has missed time. Week six to week twelve is the span where he might return. I imagine they bring him back in to practice for about a month before they can even consider giving him serious reps. But he can't be any worse than Galloway has been so far.
    Posted by zbellino


    They have "6" weeks to activate off the NON football injury list? Hmm interesting. I thought it was only "3" weeks like the PUP list.
     
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    Galloway is my stud, my prime entry, over in the "most overrated" thread.  He didn't let me down at all today.
     
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    Perhaps we can chant at the next home game, "Let Joey go!"..."Let Joey go!"...

    Anyhow, I would really like to see Nunn in the lineup...also what about Tate by week 6?....
     
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    I heard Chad Jackson will be coming off the IR soon.
     
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    I still say Edelman will cut into Galloways snaps once Welker is healthy. I have said it since during the jets game. Edleman is making some mistakes but for a rookie who never even played the position before, come on, he's doing very well.

    Edelman looks to be a bit bigger than Welker and faster. Probably close to being as quick as welker. In actuality I have no idea on any of this, simply eye-balling it.

    Stop with the whole Lewis thing already. He had one catch today. It was one of those great plays but please, stop.

    Z as far as your concern about Edelmans speed, I am sure he's fast enough. As far as his height he is tall enough. He's 6'. David Givens was only 6". Deion Branch was only 5'9". I don't ever remember anyone calling givens a burner. Even Deion wasn't a "fast" guy, he was a super quick guy. Didn't we use to call that receiving core the mighty midgets or something? They were productive though.

    We brought Stallworth in (2007) and every one was excited about him but Gaffney took his job part way through that season because he got the system better. That's what matters here and Edelman as a rookie QB to WR convert seems to be getting it quicker or as well as a 15 year vet. That's what I call at least promising.

    To be honest I was always surprised they never even gave Caldwell another real shot going into 2007. Sure we all wanted to reach into the TV and strangle him after those huge drops in the playoff game but he caught over 60 passes that year(2006). More than 60! You know who never did? Gaffney never even caught 40 once. Givens never caught 60 in a season. Branch only caught more than 60 once in his career. Patten only caught more than 60 once.

    WR's in this system either get it or they do not as we've all historically seen. What WR's do in other systems compared to here do not necessarily equate to each other.

    I think in general that Aiken has come through most times when given an opportunity. Yeah today he stopped his post and that sucked but i would not mind seeing him get some chances.

    In the end though, we do not see these guys day in and day out at practice like Tom and the Coach's do. They must see more issues with Nunn, Aiken, Edelman, whoever than they do with Galloway at this point in the season.

    Even when we do see the WR's play on Sunday we don't "really" see them. The camera is on the QB and changes after the pass is released. I couldn't tell you whose getting separation on any given play unless the play went to that receiver or they show a certain angle of the field in replay. On top of that I would not know what any particular WR's responsibilities (route adjustment wise) are on a given play. Do you?

    Bottom line for me though... Brady's been off for three weeks straight. I stopped charting it at halftime but until that point the receivers had 4 drops and 1 incomplete route but Brady had 6 errant passes to "very open" receivers.

    If both QB And WR's pick up their games even a lil bit more they'll really start rolling. I guess that's obvious and goes without saying, oh well. :)
     
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    The scary thing is that Galloway must be outperforming everyone else at practice, otherwise BB wouldn't have him out there.


    Seems to me Edelman's skillset (run around in the middle away from the coverage) doesn't necessarily translate to split end. 


    We let Reche go in 2007 because he had a bigger cap hit than Gaffney.  I only remember one bad drop by Reche (you know the one).  Against the Chargers he caught that beautiful 49 yard bomb and a TD.  So seriously, why doesn't that wide receivers coach/personnel guy Caserio or whoever get his but up to Canada and bring back Reche?

    Next week Galloway will probably catch a 70 yard bomb for a TD and everyone will be singing his praise.

     
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    The scary thing is that Galloway must be outperforming everyone else at practice, otherwise BB wouldn't have him out there. Seems to me Edelman's skillset (run around in the middle away from the coverage) doesn't necessarily translate to split end.  We let Reche go in 2007 because he had a bigger cap hit than Gaffney.  I only remember one bad drop by Reche (you know the one).  Against the Chargers he caught that beautiful 49 yard bomb and a TD.  So seriously, why doesn't that wide receivers coach/personnel guy Caserio or whoever get his but up to Canada and bring back Reche? Next week Galloway will probably catch a 70 yard bomb for a TD and everyone will be singing his praise.
    Posted by themightypatriotz


    Galloway is asked to do too much with Welker being out. He has never been a possession wr. We brought him in to stretch the defense and open up things underneath for Watson/Baker/Welker/Edelman/Faulk etc. Without Welker on the field we are seeing galloway struggle at 37 years of age to try and be an every down wr. Too much. We will see him have an impact when Welker is on the field.
     
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    In Response to Re: Time to get Galloway off the field... : Galloway is asked to do too much with Welker being out. He has never been a possession wr. We brought him in to stretch the defense and open up things underneath for Watson/Baker/Welker/Edelman/Faulk etc. Without Welker on the field we are seeing galloway struggle at 37 years of age to try and be an every down wr. Too much. We will see him have an impact when Welker is on the field.
    Posted by TrueChamp


    I agree that Galloway could do well as a sub, but I don't think we have anyone else who can play split end every down.  Jules and Welker are slot guys, and Aiken I've never seen.
     
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    In Response to Re: Time to get Galloway off the field... : Galloway is asked to do too much with Welker being out. He has never been a possession wr. We brought him in to stretch the defense and open up things underneath for Watson/Baker/Welker/Edelman/Faulk etc. Without Welker on the field we are seeing galloway struggle at 37 years of age to try and be an every down wr. Too much. We will see him have an impact when Welker is on the field.
    Posted by TrueChamp


    Wow Galloway is really getting thrown under the bus with this thread.  This post takes a more calm, collected look at whats going on.

    With Welker out and rookie Edelman learning as well, Joey is being asked to play outside his skill set.  I'm not saying he has played well but when Brady blew up on the sideline he wasn't just mad at Galloway.  Moss dropped a couple, Watson dropped what would have been a first down on the one yard line and an easy touchdown and I'm sure Tom was frustrated at himself for over or under throwing his guys pretty much all day.

    I will say this about Galloway, Moss and Aiken; on just about every long bomb downfield they don't seem to be fighting for the ball.  Sometimes Tommy just throws it up and they ALL have to do a better job taking the ball out of the air.
     
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    I'll say this though, as much as I like Nunn, if Tate lives up to his hype next year Nunn may be stuck on the practice squad again or shipped somewhere else.  This could be scary Tate and Moss on the outside with Welker and Edelman in the slots.  Aiken would still be the 5th WR because of his special teams value.
     
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    People have to understand that WR is one of the most difficult position to transition to, in the NFL. RB is the easiest. You really cannot throw in Nunn or Tate or you will just get more of the same thing. Today Aiken went in as #3 and missed on a route read (he stalled for half a second on an in slant) and he's been with the team for a long time. It's just not that easy.

    Galloway isn't bad. He is just not fitting in well. He's good with straight speed but bad going in and out of his breaks. Branch was the best at this which is why Brady loved him. The offense under Brady depends on split-second timing so you traditionally want a WR who can make his breaks clean and crisp.

    Next week we'll see Edelman working the flat with Welker (if Welker is good to go) on sight adjust to beat the Ravens blitz or rush and force CB isolations (you saw how badly they did against the Chargers). But after that, that's it for Edelman. We're not going to crowd the slot. We need the #2 WR to stretch the field to take away the high safety teams love to roll on Moss.

    As Lewis has shown us, a player that stinks in a system can flourish in another. This is pretty common around the NFL, so it shouldn't be a knock on BB in letting Lewis go. 

    However I do think the clock is running out on Galloway. When the QB loses confidence in you as a WR, that is the death knoll. 
     
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    Galloway does not seem comfortable and he si not producing - YET. If the Pats think he can't do - they will release him.  No worries the pats know what they are doing.
     
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    Galloway is bad.  That foot outside the endzone?  For an experienced WR?  Bad.  And that was just one of many bad plays.  It would be one thing if he were off, or if he and Brady were not connecting (Brady still clearly has work to do, although he is getting noticeably better), or if he were a step or two off of his routes.  But he is making very basic errors, not catching balls he should have, and for the love of God, how hard is it to keep your feet in the endzone?

    Greg Lewis is a guy who kept his feet in the endzone, that's what was so annoying.  But what's done is done. 

    Edelman is doing fine considering the position he's been put in.  He will be a good contributor even if he still has some shaky moments.
     
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    As I once said about Chad Jackson, I think Galloway has had a concussion. 

    On a personal level I feel sorry for the guy.  Pro football is a brutal sport where millionaires get their brains bashed in. 

    Galloway can play in the NFL, but only if the coaching staff works around his permanent disability.  Run him off the field every second play and have the receivers coach staff tell him over and over 15 times, "one stutter step and then a go route" and sometimes "remember to get both feet in bounds".  "Now, what did I just say?" 

    "Um, I forgot."

    "I said," and the receivers coach does not raise his voice, "one stutter step and then a go route."

    Galloway shall not check off at the line any more.  That's a job for Moss, Welker and Edelman.  If the other team blitzes, Galloway will run a slant only if he's heard it 15 times from the coach on the sidelines.  The 15 time treatment will be completely humiliating for Joey Galloway, but it's still an NFL job.  All the fans will see from the stands is Joey running the right route and scoring.

    All of this doesn't do anything for Galloway's stone hands, which he brought with him to N.E.  BB will just put up with this impediment.

    Note that rejected Chad Jackson has hooked on with another team.

    In any case, BB only has four wideouts if Welker's knee stays injured.  BB tried out five prospects and threw all five away, for now.  Brandon Tate is out until week 7 at least, and Tate will still be a rookie receiver when he does hit the field.
     
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    Marvin Harrison is still unsigned...not a bad 3-4 option.
     
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    Brandon Tate will be the only guy the Patriots try to acclimate into the offense. He has been studying the playbook for nearly 2 months now. I know Belichick has been running him out there in practice, he gets in trouble all the time for practicing his injured players. 

    Tate has good speed, good hands, and runs his routes OK. I want to see him in action.
     
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    Marvin Harrison is still unsigned...not a bad 3-4 option.
    Posted by Joeycee


    I was thinking the same thing. Harrison may be a past-his-prime veteran, but he does run good routes and is a decent possesion WR. He'd be a great compliment to Moss and Welker. Unfortunately, I think that he has too high an opinion of himself, and may be asking for more money than the Pats would be willing to pay.
     
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    Galloway is bad.  That foot outside the endzone?  For an experienced WR?  Bad.  And that was just one of many bad plays.  It would be one thing if he were off, or if he and Brady were not connecting (Brady still clearly has work to do, although he is getting noticeably better), or if he were a step or two off of his routes.  But he is making very basic errors, not catching balls he should have, and for the love of God, how hard is it to keep your feet in the endzone? Greg Lewis is a guy who kept his feet in the endzone, that's what was so annoying.  But what's done is done.  Edelman is doing fine considering the position he's been put in.  He will be a good contributor even if he still has some shaky moments.
    Posted by doticus
    it also helps if the balls were on target.

    http://nwe.scout.com/2/903654.html
     
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    Galloway has always had bad hands. But worse than that, he can't run routes properly either. And you can take Aiken with him since he is a little light in the brains area. Last time I checked, the post pattern is run to the post, not stopping halfway in the endzone. Brady put the ball just inside the post, exactly where Aiken should have been if the idiot hadn't cut off his route. Their receiver core gets really thin after Moss, Welker and Edelman.
     
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    Wow, it's a tough situation really because Galloway is what you want for a WR at his spot, he has size and speed. I think the Pats give him one more week but if they don't get what they want out of him after next weekend I see him gone. Probably opens a spot up for Nunn. Then it is either Aiken or Nunn running his routes is my guess unless they fine someone on the street which Patriots do with usually great success.
     
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