Time to Modify Bend But Don't Break?

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    Get rid of it and build a real defense like we saw last night

     
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    Bend but don't break is a myth. New England doesn't have that defense. It's a name for what you implement when you have a large lead and are willing to trade yards/FGs for TOP. You allow short passes and gains over the middle in exchange for the more valuable time it consumes. 

    New England, like every team, doesn't like allowing touchdowns. Unfortunately, they haven't had the personell to prevent aerial TDs in the past few seasons. Thus, like every team in this situation, the have use a lot of two deep personell to limit damaging quick scores. Again, last season aside, they've had a good run defense. NE has relied on trying to pin it's opponent in 3rd and long, and prevent the team from making the necessary yardage as a scheme, only because it's the scheme they can actually execute.

    Again, when Bill actually had a great defense, New England was NOT BBDB. They were a perennial top five scoring defense, a perennial top five sack defense, and a perennial top 10 turnover defense. They were also a perennial top 5-10 yardage defense, and thus a top 5-10 TOP defense. Most often they were top three in those categories, even if they weren't in the historic category Seattle is in.

    Most importantly, they were top five 3rd down conversion defenses as well. 

    They didn't bend often, and they didn't break often. 

    This ... is ... a ... myth. 

    The defense New England has fielded lately, which bends more than most defenses in the NFL (perennial bottom 5-10 in yardage) and perennially middle of the pack scoring defense is a reflection of what Bill has done to mitigate the lack of talent at certain positions. 

    It's not a philosophy. It's something they do because they have no other choice. 

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    Z - are you saying that, in the past, when BB had great defenses, he didn't have a BBDB defense.  But now, he has a defense with the characteristics of a BBDB defense, but it's not one - because, due to lack of talent, he has no other choice but to run it?   Since the term "No Name" Defense has already been used, maybe we can give our Pats defense the nickname: the Yahwey defense?  The defense that cannot be named.

     

      

     

     
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    Bend but don't break is a myth. New England doesn't have that defense. It's a name for what you implement when you have a large lead and are willing to trade yards/FGs for TOP. You allow short passes and gains over the middle in exchange for the more valuable time it consumes. 

    New England, like every team, doesn't like allowing touchdowns. Unfortunately, they haven't had the personell to prevent aerial TDs in the past few seasons. Thus, like every team in this situation, the have use a lot of two deep personell to limit damaging quick scores. Again, last season aside, they've had a good run defense. NE has relied on trying to pin it's opponent in 3rd and long, and prevent the team from making the necessary yardage as a scheme, only because it's the scheme they can actually execute.

    Again, when Bill actually had a great defense, New England was NOT BBDB. They were a perennial top five scoring defense, a perennial top five sack defense, and a perennial top 10 turnover defense. They were also a perennial top 5-10 yardage defense, and thus a top 5-10 TOP defense. Most often they were top three in those categories, even if they weren't in the historic category Seattle is in.

    Most importantly, they were top five 3rd down conversion defenses as well. 

    They didn't bend often, and they didn't break often. 

    This ... is ... a ... myth. 

    The defense New England has fielded lately, which bends more than most defenses in the NFL (perennial bottom 5-10 in yardage) and perennially middle of the pack scoring defense is a reflection of what Bill has done to mitigate the lack of talent at certain positions. 

    It's not a philosophy. It's something they do because they have no other choice. 

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    well, whatever they've been doing  since 2007 or so ain't working. So, here's a different question, what they were "using"  from 2000-2004 - is it gonna work in today's NFL? If so, what is it that the Patriots need to do to get back to "it".

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    you pretty much saw the Patriots 2000-2004 defense last night. BB inherited from Pete Carroll in 2000.

     
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    Bend but don't break is a myth. New England doesn't have that defense. It's a name for what you implement when you have a large lead and are willing to trade yards/FGs for TOP. You allow short passes and gains over the middle in exchange for the more valuable time it consumes. 

    New England, like every team, doesn't like allowing touchdowns. Unfortunately, they haven't had the personell to prevent aerial TDs in the past few seasons. Thus, like every team in this situation, the have use a lot of two deep personell to limit damaging quick scores. Again, last season aside, they've had a good run defense. NE has relied on trying to pin it's opponent in 3rd and long, and prevent the team from making the necessary yardage as a scheme, only because it's the scheme they can actually execute.

    Again, when Bill actually had a great defense, New England was NOT BBDB. They were a perennial top five scoring defense, a perennial top five sack defense, and a perennial top 10 turnover defense. They were also a perennial top 5-10 yardage defense, and thus a top 5-10 TOP defense. Most often they were top three in those categories, even if they weren't in the historic category Seattle is in.

    Most importantly, they were top five 3rd down conversion defenses as well. 

    They didn't bend often, and they didn't break often. 

    This ... is ... a ... myth. 

    The defense New England has fielded lately, which bends more than most defenses in the NFL (perennial bottom 5-10 in yardage) and perennially middle of the pack scoring defense is a reflection of what Bill has done to mitigate the lack of talent at certain positions. 

    It's not a philosophy. It's something they do because they have no other choice. 

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    well, whatever they've been doing  since 2007 or so ain't working. So, here's a different question, what they were "using"  from 2000-2004 - is it gonna work in today's NFL? If so, what is it that the Patriots need to do to get back to "it".

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    you pretty much saw the Patriots 2000-2004 defense last night. BB inherited from Pete Carroll in 2000.

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    so, does that mean that BB isn't a defensive genious? Laughing

    3, 2, 1.........here it comes.....lol

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    did BB draft any of those guys? figure it out for yourself troll

     
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    Bend but don't break is a myth. New England doesn't have that defense. It's a name for what you implement when you have a large lead and are willing to trade yards/FGs for TOP. You allow short passes and gains over the middle in exchange for the more valuable time it consumes. 

    New England, like every team, doesn't like allowing touchdowns. Unfortunately, they haven't had the personell to prevent aerial TDs in the past few seasons. Thus, like every team in this situation, the have use a lot of two deep personell to limit damaging quick scores. Again, last season aside, they've had a good run defense. NE has relied on trying to pin it's opponent in 3rd and long, and prevent the team from making the necessary yardage as a scheme, only because it's the scheme they can actually execute.

    Again, when Bill actually had a great defense, New England was NOT BBDB. They were a perennial top five scoring defense, a perennial top five sack defense, and a perennial top 10 turnover defense. They were also a perennial top 5-10 yardage defense, and thus a top 5-10 TOP defense. Most often they were top three in those categories, even if they weren't in the historic category Seattle is in.

    Most importantly, they were top five 3rd down conversion defenses as well. 

    They didn't bend often, and they didn't break often. 

    This ... is ... a ... myth. 

    The defense New England has fielded lately, which bends more than most defenses in the NFL (perennial bottom 5-10 in yardage) and perennially middle of the pack scoring defense is a reflection of what Bill has done to mitigate the lack of talent at certain positions. 

    It's not a philosophy. It's something they do because they have no other choice. 

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    Exactly, the Pats play press coverage as often as pssible when Talib is on the field. Press coverage is not a BBDB tactic.

     
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    Disagree. This D is and always has beeN Bend but dont break. It is based on waiting for the other teams mistake rather than creating mistakes. 

    Edge players first responsability is to setting edge against run.

    DTs first is to maintain both gaps and keep blocker engaged for the LB to tackle

    FS is keeping play in front if him, never gamble. 

    CB's jam at LOS, never blitz

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    Rkarp is correct and this has always been BB's coaching philosophy.  It is not aggressive, and it is the same defense we used in our dynasty era defense....when the rules were different.

    Seattles defense is made up of all kinds of late draft picks. Kind of ruins the whole, you need talent b.s

     
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    Disagree. This D is and always has beeN Bend but dont break. It is based on waiting for the other teams mistake rather than creating mistakes. 

    Edge players first responsability is to setting edge against run.

    DTs first is to maintain both gaps and keep blocker engaged for the LB to tackle

    FS is keeping play in front if him, never gamble. 

    CB's jam at LOS, never blitz

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    I think this is right, rkarp, but I don't like the term "bend but don't break" because I don't think any defense can be designed to "bend" much and still expect to win.  Yards given up correlate fairly well with points given up, and allowing opposing offenses to eat clock, accumulate yards, and get into FG range isn't a good thing.  First, FGs are still points and if you let teams get near the endzone a lot you will give up TDs even with a good redzone defense (assuming your defense really is any better in the redzone than it is outside--something I'm skeptical is all that common or likely). Second, giving up yards creates field position disadvantages for your own offense, and giving up time to the other team's offense may mean fewer drives and scoring opportunities for your own offense.  So "bending" isn't harmless. 

    I think BB does have more of a conservative, read and react style like you describe.  But it still is designed to make stops and needs to make stops.  Letting teams mount 6 minute, 12 play, 70 yard drives just isn't good defense any way you look at it. Let's not pretend that's the plan by calling it "bend but don't break" as if "bending," were a good thing and part of the strategy.  

     

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    Bend but dont break means dont allow points, dont gamble, wait for your opportunity for turnover due to the opponants mistake. It has nothing to do with wlingly giving up yardage

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    It's that part that no longer works in the NFL these days. You can't wait for something to happen you have to make it happen. It's funny because that's the mentality with the offseason too. They cast a wide net over a bunch of players and wait to see if any develop into servicable parts for the year instead of making it happen and taking a dive at a top flight talent. Sure you might miss and give the opponent a big gain but you know what it's better then stadning back and hoping the ball bounches your way

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    Sure you can, but your offense has to score more then 15.5 ppg in your last 6 playoff losses, otherwise the other team has no pressure to score and is less inclined to make mistakes.

     
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    IMO this thread is ridiculous bordering on treason. Pete sold the farm to put this team together, his drafts for the next couple years are terrible. He also has a team full of guys looking for more money and now the real test starts with Seattle......how do you stay on top and keep your key guys paid. You think Wilson's good with the rookie contract amount he's playing with now? How bout the legion of boom, ya think they'll be Ok just re-signing for last years contract amounts?

    BB has his faults but don't sit here now and throw out this crap about how he's not in touch just because Petey had a good year. Let me ask you something PV, how would the Pats have looked this year if they still had Hernandez, if Wilfork, Mayo, Kelly and Gronk (for the most part) didn't miss the season. If Vareen and Talib didn't miss half the year? They would have been in NY last night and I'm not really sure what that outcome would have been but it would have been a lot better than what we watched I'll tell you that.

    And........BB has the 2nd youngest team in the NFL set up perfectly to keep this 13 year run of excellance rolling on to next year. It's disrespectful treason to say he's out of touch because of what Pete put together in Seattle for one season. It's also jealous and exactly why other parts of the country hate Pats fans.

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    Wel said sam, and this is the opinion shared by many of us realistic Patriot fans!

     
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    How about a "totally disable but dont rip off any body parts" strategy? Seems to work well in San Fancisco and Seattle.

     
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    Disagree. This D is and always has beeN Bend but dont break. It is based on waiting for the other teams mistake rather than creating mistakes. 

    Edge players first responsability is to setting edge against run.

    DTs first is to maintain both gaps and keep blocker engaged for the LB to tackle

    FS is keeping play in front if him, never gamble. 

    CB's jam at LOS, never blitz

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    Rkarp is correct and this has always been BB's coaching philosophy.  It is not aggressive, and it is the same defense we used in our dynasty era defense....when the rules were different.

    Seattles defense is made up of all kinds of late draft picks. Kind of ruins the whole, you need talent b.s

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    Maybe you misunderstand what talent is?.  It's not someone that can't get on the field because of injuries or because they just plain suck and are let go a year or two into their rookie contract..  It's not second round picks that are destined to be special teamers for their duration.  It's not FA's that are cut after 3 weeks or never see the field at all.  It's not fossils that can no longer play.  It's not players that they sign, cut and re-sign.

    Hmmm.. that seems to describe a lot of the Pats.

    It's guys, regardless of what round that they are picked that come in and make an impact and become an important part of the team, so that they can someday win a SB.

    Hmmmm.... that seems to describe a lot of Seahawk players.

     
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    I'm not in favor of the BBDB defense, but it could be the defense we use out of necessity, you can't have an attacking D without the skill level necessary to cover for any missed assignments, The Patriots can't stop the run, so if  they all out blitz they are screwed if the guy hits a gap in the rush he's off to the races, and is in the second level before anyone even knows he's gone. They can remedy some of this by way of the draft and even more via Free agency, in order to play that style of defense the Patriots have to improve their defenders, at all three levels. Collins was a nice draft choice, and he could be a true OLB/DE type that they have been looking for since Willie Mac left town. They are going to need another run stuffing LB because my guess is Spikes is already packing for parts unknown. They also need another DT who is capable of occupying two linemen at a time, and finally they need another cover corner who doesn't need over the top assistance on every play! I really thought that Dennard was that guy, but I'm having my reservations after the Broncos game. Re-signing Talib is a must, or they have to sign another #1 CB. Finally this is the most important piece to running an agressive defense they must have a SS who can hit like a steamroller, and still be able to drop into coverage. Until they have all of these components they will have to continue playing the BBDB defense. By the way I'm not a Patricia fan either, but he may be just playing the cards he's been dealt.

     

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    The problem SB is that the guy in charge of making draft picks and FA pickups is the guy deciding they want a BBDB D, so imo you can't blame the lack of personal when the one doing to grocery shopping is the head coach himself.

     
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    Bend don't break is a result of a chitty GM fielding a Chitty defense.

     
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    Sure you can, but your offense has to score more then 15.5 ppg in your last 6 playoff losses, otherwise the other team has no pressure to score and is less inclined to make mistakes.

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    And how many points did the Sea O score in the first half? A great D will force it regardless of what the O does

     
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    Bend but don't break is a myth. New England doesn't have that defense. It's a name for what you implement when you have a large lead and are willing to trade yards/FGs for TOP. You allow short passes and gains over the middle in exchange for the more valuable time it consumes. 

    New England, like every team, doesn't like allowing touchdowns. Unfortunately, they haven't had the personell to prevent aerial TDs in the past few seasons. Thus, like every team in this situation, the have use a lot of two deep personell to limit damaging quick scores. Again, last season aside, they've had a good run defense. NE has relied on trying to pin it's opponent in 3rd and long, and prevent the team from making the necessary yardage as a scheme, only because it's the scheme they can actually execute.

    Again, when Bill actually had a great defense, New England was NOT BBDB. They were a perennial top five scoring defense, a perennial top five sack defense, and a perennial top 10 turnover defense. They were also a perennial top 5-10 yardage defense, and thus a top 5-10 TOP defense. Most often they were top three in those categories, even if they weren't in the historic category Seattle is in.

    Most importantly, they were top five 3rd down conversion defenses as well. 

    They didn't bend often, and they didn't break often. 

    This ... is ... a ... myth. 

    The defense New England has fielded lately, which bends more than most defenses in the NFL (perennial bottom 5-10 in yardage) and perennially middle of the pack scoring defense is a reflection of what Bill has done to mitigate the lack of talent at certain positions. 

    It's not a philosophy. It's something they do because they have no other choice. 

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    yep you have it correct however this D is what BB wanted. Every guy currently on it was his choice so the lack of talent to pull off what the teams of old did is partially by design for a scheme BB wants to run.

     
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    Disagree. This D is and always has beeN Bend but dont break. It is based on waiting for the other teams mistake rather than creating mistakes. 

    Edge players first responsability is to setting edge against run.

    DTs first is to maintain both gaps and keep blocker engaged for the LB to tackle

    FS is keeping play in front if him, never gamble. 

    CB's jam at LOS, never blitz

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    Rkarp is correct and this has always been BB's coaching philosophy.  It is not aggressive, and it is the same defense we used in our dynasty era defense....when the rules were different.

    Seattles defense is made up of all kinds of late draft picks. Kind of ruins the whole, you need talent b.s

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    No it doesn't. Who says talent can't be found in rounds 2-7? Seattle just hit pay dirt...like 5 times. 

     
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    Disagree. This D is and always has beeN Bend but dont break. It is based on waiting for the other teams mistake rather than creating mistakes. 

    Edge players first responsability is to setting edge against run.

    DTs first is to maintain both gaps and keep blocker engaged for the LB to tackle

    FS is keeping play in front if him, never gamble. 

    CB's jam at LOS, never blitz

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    Rkarp is correct and this has always been BB's coaching philosophy.  It is not aggressive, and it is the same defense we used in our dynasty era defense....when the rules were different.

    Seattles defense is made up of all kinds of late draft picks. Kind of ruins the whole, you need talent b.s

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    Maybe you misunderstand what talent is?.  It's not someone that can't get on the field because of injuries or because they just plain suck and are let go a year or two into their rookie contract..  It's not second round picks that are destined to be special teamers for their duration.  It's not FA's that are cut after 3 weeks or never see the field at all.  It's not fossils that can no longer play.  It's not players that they sign, cut and re-sign.

    Hmmm.. that seems to describe a lot of the Pats.

    It's guys, regardless of what round that they are picked that come in and make an impact and become an important part of the team, so that they can someday win a SB.

    Hmmmm.... that seems to describe a lot of Seahawk players.

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    Precisely. 

    Sherman, chancellor, Bryant, Thurman, etc...all 3rd round and later picks. All starters, all very good. Talent can be had later in the draft. You just have to know what it looks like and find the player that is going to fit what you want to do. 

     
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    Sure you can, but your offense has to score more then 15.5 ppg in your last 6 playoff losses, otherwise the other team has no pressure to score and is less inclined to make mistakes.

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    And how many points did the Sea O score in the first half? A great D will force it regardless of what the O does

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    Well, seattle just fielded the best defense since the 2000 ravens, and I agree a great D, should score points in big games, like a great offense should.

     
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    I'm not in favor of the BBDB defense, but it could be the defense we use out of necessity, you can't have an attacking D without the skill level necessary to cover for any missed assignments, The Patriots can't stop the run, so if  they all out blitz they are screwed if the guy hits a gap in the rush he's off to the races, and is in the second level before anyone even knows he's gone. They can remedy some of this by way of the draft and even more via Free agency, in order to play that style of defense the Patriots have to improve their defenders, at all three levels. Collins was a nice draft choice, and he could be a true OLB/DE type that they have been looking for since Willie Mac left town. They are going to need another run stuffing LB because my guess is Spikes is already packing for parts unknown. They also need another DT who is capable of occupying two linemen at a time, and finally they need another cover corner who doesn't need over the top assistance on every play! I really thought that Dennard was that guy, but I'm having my reservations after the Broncos game. Re-signing Talib is a must, or they have to sign another #1 CB. Finally this is the most important piece to running an agressive defense they must have a SS who can hit like a steamroller, and still be able to drop into coverage. Until they have all of these components they will have to continue playing the BBDB defense. By the way I'm not a Patricia fan either, but he may be just playing the cards he's been dealt.

     

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    The problem SB is that the guy in charge of making draft picks and FA pickups is the guy deciding they want a BBDB D, so imo you can't blame the lack of personal when the one doing to grocery shopping is the head coach himself.

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    I agree with Z here. I don't think bb has built a BBDB defense, because playing that way is situational. I do however think he has fielded a defense with not a lot of pure athletes, less Collins...mayo, jones to a degree. Meanwhile seattles Defense is just freakishly athletic and big.  

     

     
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    Sure you can, but your offense has to score more then 15.5 ppg in your last 6 playoff losses, otherwise the other team has no pressure to score and is less inclined to make mistakes.

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    And how many points did the Sea O score in the first half? A great D will force it regardless of what the O does

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    Well, seattle just fielded the best defense since the 2000 ravens, and I agree a great D, should score points in big games, like a great offense should.

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    Well we just saw the 2nd time in the last 6 years that the most prolific offense sputters against the best defense. Could say the same for the pats first run against the greatest show on turf. 

     

     
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    you pretty much saw the Patriots 2000-2004 defense last night. BB inherited from Pete Carroll in 2000.


    BB inherited Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, Vrabel, Samuel and Rodney?

    What about guys like Phifer, Pleasant, Hamilton, Washington, Colvin, Traylor, Cox, and Green?  Did he inherit those too?

    I know Carroll just won a Super Bowl, but people here need to relax with the fellating.

     
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    you pretty much saw the Patriots 2000-2004 defense last night. BB inherited from Pete Carroll in 2000.

     

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    BB inherited Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, Vrabel, Samuel and Rodney?

    What about guys like Phifer, Pleasant, Hamilton, Washington, Colvin, Traylor, Cox, and Green?  Did he inherit those too?

    I know Carroll just won a Super Bowl, but people here need to relax with the fellating.

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    This place is awesome.

     
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    Sure you can, but your offense has to score more then 15.5 ppg in your last 6 playoff losses, otherwise the other team has no pressure to score and is less inclined to make mistakes.

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    And how many points did the Sea O score in the first half? A great D will force it regardless of what the O does

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    Well, seattle just fielded the best defense since the 2000 ravens, and I agree a great D, should score points in big games, like a great offense should.

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    And what made those D's great, and what made both Giants teams bet us, and what about last years Ravens team? They all had aggressive front 4's that could put pressure on QB's without rushing 6. A great D front will do that and that's the point I was making, it's the upfront talent and willingness to be aggressive with them. You can't sit back and wait for something to happen you need to make it happen like the Pats D did in 01-04'

     
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    Re: Time to Modify Bend But Don't Break?

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    I agree with Z here. I don't think bb has built a BBDB defense, because playing that way is situational. I do however think he has fielded a defense with not a lot of pure athletes, less Collins...mayo, jones to a degree. Meanwhile seattles Defense is just freakishly athletic and big.  

     

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    Except he has. Whether intentionally or not these are his guys and his choices so if they need to play a BBDB system it's because he chose the players that fit that type of system instead of going after the athletic freaks. It's not like BB couldn't have gotten the same players if he wanted them. Take Bryant for instance, they wanted him but on for less then market value and went after Fanene instead as a cheaper option.

     
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    Re: Time to Modify Bend But Don't Break?

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    I agree with Z here. I don't think bb has built a BBDB defense, because playing that way is situational. I do however think he has fielded a defense with not a lot of pure athletes, less Collins...mayo, jones to a degree. Meanwhile seattles Defense is just freakishly athletic and big.  

     

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    Except he has. Whether intentionally or not these are his guys and his choices so if they need to play a BBDB system it's because he chose the players that fit that type of system instead of going after the athletic freaks. It's not like BB couldn't have gotten the same players if he wanted them. Take Bryant for instance, they wanted him but on for less then market value and went after Fanene instead as a cheaper option.

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    true. Could if had Bryant or chancellor straight up in the draft first time out.

    how many picks and FA's would that have saved them?

     
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    Re: Time to Modify Bend But Don't Break?

    I'll say it simple: This is not the time to change "The Patriot Way". 

    How can I say that when we didin't win the SB? 

    It ain't about winning it every year. It about 53 guys playing like a team, growing like a team, doing things they thought they couldn't do, like overcoming a higher percentage of injuries than the Allies had at Normandy but still showing up, showing up every week, fighting no matter the odds....making due with hand they are dealt/ the players they got. Adjusting, adapting, doing more with less....

     

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