tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

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    tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    Peyton - 166-81 for a 672 win % regular season

    9-11 for a 450 win % post season

     

    Brady - 156-46 for a 772 win % regular season

    17-7 for a 708 win %  post season

     

    Brady has 9-4 record head to head vs manning...

     

    How can anyone say peyton is better?

     

     

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    One of the issues is that football is a team sport. 

    Bottom line is that if you want ONE QB to lead your team in the 4th QTR most would pick Manning if it were a REGULAR SEASON game.  If it were a POSTSEASON game, most level headed people would pick Brady(although he has been kind of stinky in the playoffs as of late).

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    In response to Tyr17's comment:

    Peyton - 166-81 for a 672 win % regular season

    9-11 for a 450 win % post season

     

    Brady - 156-46 for a 772 win % regular season

    17-7 for a 708 win %  post season

     

    Brady has 9-4 record head to head vs manning...

     

    How can anyone say peyton is better?

     

     



    ESPN pundits and Colts/Broncos fans are the only ones that say PM is better than TB. ESPN has always been enamored with Peyton. The above numbers you referenced would be even more favorable to Brady if TB had Manning's receivers and vice versa. How would Brady have done with Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark for all those years ?  And for that matter, how would TB do this year with Thomas, Decker, WW and the talented rookie TE the Broncos have ? And finally what would Brady's stats look like if he had played in a dome all those years and PM had to play some of his games in blizzard conditions ?

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    We know what his #s would be like in the weather....everytime he payed in Foxboro the suc&ed!!

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    In response to theshinez's comment:

    One of the issues is that football is a team sport. 

    Bottom line is that if you want ONE QB to lead your team in the 4th QTR most would pick Manning if it were a REGULAR SEASON game.  If it were a POSTSEASON game, most level headed people would pick Brady(although he has been kind of stinky in the playoffs as of late).



    Brady drove the team to a go ahead TD in 2007 late despite being thumped because of poor protection most of the game, and hit WW square on the hands for a long dropped 1st down that likely would have sealed the game late in the 2011 SB. Brady remains clutch when it's all on the line.

    And Brady's 9/2 TD/INT ratio in the SB puts Fetus Head's 2/2 to shame.

     

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    In response to Tyr17's comment:

     

    Brady has 9-4 record head to head vs manning...

    Brady does NOT play Peyton. They do not defend each other NOR is it a ONE-on-ONE match up. The fact that the media always promotes QB match ups as a marketing ploy is irrelevant to the analysis.

     

     

     




     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    I think there's relevance to the question "what if Brady had Peyton's receivers. There's also relevance to the question what if Peyton had Brady's line and defense.  

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    In response to Tyr17's comment:

    Peyton - 166-81 for a 672 win % regular season

    9-11 for a 450 win % post season

     

    Brady - 156-46 for a 772 win % regular season

    17-7 for a 708 win %  post season

     

    Brady has 9-4 record head to head vs manning...

     

    How can anyone say peyton is better?

     

     



    Because you are citing a team statistic in the most team oriented sport.  The QB, while the most important player, does not play defense, does not kick fg's or punt or block for himself or run the ball (with regularity) or catch. 

    All of these items play a factor in a team outcome and those factors combined are more relevant that the quarterback alone.  If they weren't then guys like Trent Dilfer would never have won a superbowl. 

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    The comparison is valid for team records though the point is well made.  But, in the final analysis, I don't care if all the pundits in the world proclaim PM as the God-QB of all time as long as TB get us two or more SB wins. 

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    In response to Tyr17's comment:

    Peyton - 166-81 for a 672 win % regular season

    9-11 for a 450 win % post season

     

    Brady - 156-46 for a 772 win % regular season

    17-7 for a 708 win %  post season

     

    Brady has 9-4 record head to head vs manning...

     

    How can anyone say peyton is better?

     

     



    Add that TB let go ahead 4th qtr scores in all 5 SB's

    Add that PM cannot play in cold weather - and TB does -7-0 in the cold

    Add that PM played with  3 Hof's or borderline Hof's receivers for hsi career

    To date TB has the most TDs in a season and has 50 straight games of 1 TD pass

    TB's interception rate is lower

    And the irony -

    if AS had not dropped the INT or then the 1 in a million Helmet catch

     which lost the 19-0 season - we wouldn't even be talking about it

    This morning heard Greenie on M& M and I swear he has an orrrrgaaaasssm over PM, He tries so hard to make superlative ,definitive, declarative statements so he can sound like Bob - " I am so Smart" Costas that it makes me cringe with embarrassment for him/

    PM has not played a good D yet - He plays the NFC least and only KC may have a good team in his division.

    I don't even think PM is in the same class as Joe Montana

     

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    In response to zeitgeist49's comment:

    In response to Tyr17's comment:

     

    Peyton - 166-81 for a 672 win % regular season

    9-11 for a 450 win % post season

     

    Brady - 156-46 for a 772 win % regular season

    17-7 for a 708 win %  post season

     

    Brady has 9-4 record head to head vs manning...

     

    How can anyone say peyton is better?

     

     

     



    ESPN pundits and Colts/Broncos fans are the only ones that say PM is better than TB. ESPN has always been enamored with Peyton. The above numbers you referenced would be even more favorable to Brady if TB had Manning's receivers and vice versa. How would Brady have done with Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark for all those years ?  And for that matter, how would TB do this year with Thomas, Decker, WW and the talented rookie TE the Broncos have ? And finally what would Brady's stats look like if he had played in a dome all those years and PM had to play some of his games in blizzard conditions ?

     



    Now wait, Manning played last year outdoors after being out a season to have multiple surgeries to overcome a weak throwing arm due to a pinched nerve.  Further he played on a new team, new system, outdoors. 

    His stat line - 68.6% comp rt; 4650 yds; 37 td; 11 int; 105.8 rating

    Brady after his missed season with the same team, same system, same environment. 

    His stat line - 65.7% comp rt; 4400 yds; 28 td; 13 int; 96.2 rtg

    Decker is a 3rd rdr, Welker is a cast off, Julius Thomas played only 1 year of college football.  This is his 3rd year in the league and only had 1 catch during his first 2 years. 

    Brady's had the likes of Welker (when he was wanted), Moss, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Lloyd, Ocho, Branch, Moss.  I'd say since 2007, Brady's had more weapons. 

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    In response to seawolfxs' comment:

    In response to Tyr17's comment:

     

    Peyton - 166-81 for a 672 win % regular season

    9-11 for a 450 win % post season

     

    Brady - 156-46 for a 772 win % regular season

    17-7 for a 708 win %  post season

     

    Brady has 9-4 record head to head vs manning...

     

    How can anyone say peyton is better?

     

     

     



    Add that TB let go ahead 4th qtr scores in all 5 SB's

     

    Add that PM cannot play in cold weather - and TB does -7-0 in the cold

    Add that PM played with  3 Hof's or borderline Hof's receivers for hsi career

    To date TB has the most TDs in a season and has 50 straight games of 1 TD pass

    TB's interception rate is lower

    And the irony -

    if AS had not dropped the INT or then the 1 in a million Helmet catch

     which lost the 19-0 season - we wouldn't even be talking about it

    This morning heard Greenie on M& M and I swear he has an orrrrgaaaasssm over PM, He tries so hard to make superlative ,definitive, declarative statements so he can sound like Bob - " I am so Smart" Costas that it makes me cringe with embarrassment for him/

    PM has not played a good D yet - He plays the NFC least and only KC may have a good team in his division.

    I don't even think PM is in the same class as Joe Montana

     



    Of course, if Adam Vinatieri hadn't hit all those game winning/tieing kicks for Brady and Belichick, we might not even be having this conversation.

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    Lest anybody be misled by troll spin.......

     

    The Colts had a better D than the Pats in 4 of the 8 years from 2001-2008.

    And as far as the O-line, Fetus Head had the same or fewer sacks than Brady in every one of those years as well.

     

     
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    As for the defenses the broncos have faced - Other than the awful Giants, Baltimore (15) and Oakland (30) have given up fewer points to their other opponents (other than the broncos), than the teams that the pats have faced - Jets (37), Tampa (34), Buffalo (50).  That tells me at least as far as defenses are concerned, the broncos have faced better defenses than the Pats. 

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    Lest anybody be misled by troll spin.......

     

    The Colts had a better D than the Pats in 4 of the 8 years from 2001-2008.

    And as far as the O-line, Fetus Head had the same or fewer sacks than Brady in every one of those years as well.

     



    Not in the playoffs - and I think that is what we are talking about. 

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    In response to zeitgeist49's comment:

    In response to Tyr17's comment:

     

    Peyton - 166-81 for a 672 win % regular season

    9-11 for a 450 win % post season

     

    Brady - 156-46 for a 772 win % regular season

    17-7 for a 708 win %  post season

     

    Brady has 9-4 record head to head vs manning...

     

    How can anyone say peyton is better?

     

     

     



    ESPN pundits and Colts/Broncos fans are the only ones that say PM is better than TB. ESPN has always been enamored with Peyton. The above numbers you referenced would be even more favorable to Brady if TB had Manning's receivers and vice versa. How would Brady have done with Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark for all those years ?  And for that matter, how would TB do this year with Thomas, Decker, WW and the talented rookie TE the Broncos have ? And finally what would Brady's stats look like if he had played in a dome all those years and PM had to play some of his games in blizzard conditions ?

     



    Nevermind a STEADY Coaching staff to go along with those receivers.

    Brady > Manning  ....    Reche Caldwell is the nail in that coffin.

     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    This dick measuring contest is old and stupid. Let the fantasy idiots argue about numbers

     

    In response to Tyr17's comment:

    Peyton - 166-81 for a 672 win % regular season

    9-11 for a 450 win % post season

     

    Brady - 156-46 for a 772 win % regular season

    17-7 for a 708 win %  post season

     

    Brady has 9-4 record head to head vs manning...

     

    How can anyone say peyton is better?

     

     




     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    It wouldn't be a Babe post if there wasn't an idiotic attempt to attack the Pats defense

     

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    Lest anybody be misled by troll spin.......

     

    The Colts had a better D than the Pats in 4 of the 8 years from 2001-2008.

    And as far as the O-line, Fetus Head had the same or fewer sacks than Brady in every one of those years as well.

     




     
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    Re: tired of the comparison. ..lets set the record strsit by the numbers

    Don't forget that Peyton has throughout his career been surrounded by better talent most of the time by comparison as well.  Brady has done more with less. 

    Still, I can't knock ol horseface.  He's one hell of a QB and will go down as one of the best for sure. 

     
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