Two lost SBs and a lost AFC Championship in 6 years is super fail.

The Steelers seem to Draft good every year, I wouldn't worry about them. We Draft Tate, they Draft Wallace after us.
Posted by bobbysu

27 words. And I'm sure there could be more. Cunningham, Price, Brace, Butler, Tate, McKenzie, Wheatley, Crable, O'Connell, Meriweather, Moroney, Jackson, Hobbs, Hill, Johnson, Williams, Davey, Klemm, Redmond, Haynesworth, Ocho, Ellis, Starks, Beisel, Brown, Thomas, Galloway
Posted by BabeParilli

In Response to Re: to all the BB GM naysayers : Yup, being on top of the Division (6x) and Conference (2x) in that period, really sucks.  I say, fire the whole team and start over. I wonder how many here apply such measurables to their own careers?
Posted by pezz4pats

 I think recent events show that BB the GM has done arguably the best job of any GM in the NFL for his tenure as coach / GM ( albeit Pioli was GM in the early years .. but BB was not without influence in the structuring of those teams). the Pats, Colts, and Steelers were the benchmark organizations since the turn of the century ( love saying that!). But today we see the Colts coming off a 2 win season and in a true rebuilding stage that could be another 2 years before they become competitive. The Steelers are in CAP HELL and are having a fire sale , letting players ( contributors ) go. the Pats have restructured their team without a blip. Ok no Championships  but 3 AFC cahampionship games and 2 SB appearances. How many other NFL team fans would like to have that? Like Indy we lost our QB for a year but still accomplished an 11-5 record (normal years would have been a playoff team). Indy went 2-14. So BB the  GM decision for staffing the team with a 7th round QB that never started a game in college proved quite fortuitous in proving more than capable depth at the most important position. Injuries are a part of the NFL but it seems that there is always a Sterling Moore, Randall Gay, Troy Brown amd Julius Eddleman that can step up for the Pats. These are Defense examples ..but  just look at how the OL always seems to overcome injuries. Most NFL teams are devestated when injuries hit because they dont have depth..  how would you like to be a Bears fan and of course the affore mentioned Colts. We are coming off a 13-3 , 14-2 seasons and a close SB loss. We have Cap Space and oh yeah picks 27, 31 , 48 and 63 in this years draft. I am pretty happy with BB the GM PS : looking back I suppose we really should give Bill Poilian GM kudos. He shrewdly was able to mold this years Indy team to be able to position them to get Andrew Luck.
Posted by mgraham

In Response to Re: to all the BB GM naysayers : This right here^ is exactly what is wrong with 21st century Pats fan and you can well believe me when I tell you we won't miss you at all. Outside of maybe Bitchburgh and, just lately, the blue part of New Jersey, I can't think of another NFL fan base that wouldn't salivate at the idea of realistically competing for championships year-in and year-out the way the Pats do. I'm sorry it offends your bandwagon sensibilities that the Pats don't win the Super Bowl every single year and gift-wrap it especially for you, but that's not the way the world works. Oh . . .  and you can save all that "I've been a fan since . . .  " bullsqueeze. You show what type of fan you are with every post.
Posted by p-mike

In Response to Re: to all the BB GM naysayers : I think 6 division championships and two conference championships in seven years is a pretty good accomplishment, but you cannot compare sports to other careers. Things are not measured the same. The second place teams is all but forgotten, while third and fourth best teams are completely forgotten each year. In that span (2005-2011) which is more impressive: 6x Division Champion, 2x Conference Champion, 0x Super Bowl Champion 5x Division Champion, 2x Conference Champion,  1x Super Bowl Champion 4x Division Champion, 2x Conference Champion, 2x Super Bowl Champion 5x Division Champion, 3x Conference Champion, 2x Super Bowl Champion   The other three teams are the Colts, Giants and Steelers respectively. My point is that the Patriots have not been dominating the NFL lately the way a lot of Patriots fan seem to think. If feel like arguments that rely on the run from 2001-2004 are becoming stale and irrelevant to the current team. 
Posted by FrnkBnhm

In Response to Re: to all the BB GM naysayers : Naturally the SB is the ultimate prize but Division and Conference wins are also recognised accomplishments as they are in all team sports. Ask all the other teams who rarely achieve them, if they'd "settle" for a few of those.  I think they would be ecstatic. It's only the fans of Winning teams that define those as faults and failures.
Posted by pezz4pats

In Response to Re: to all the BB GM naysayers : Thank you P-mike. I was piecing together a similar post as I read through all of this rubbish but you took care of it. When the wheels come off and we have our first losing season in 11 fukcin years I MAY begin to question the GM/talent pool of the team, but thats only because it will probably be due to the departure of Bill Belichick, and not his "failure" as a GM. Best record in the league for last 10 years. 5 Super bowls. More 1st round picks then any team in 10 years. 2 of the best trades in NFL history(YEP) with the Moss and Welker deals, Oh btw the construction of a dynasty. Bill Belichick is a bad GM = EPIC FAILURE
Posted by TrueChamp

Saw a stat the other day saying that no team in any major professional sport has close to the record of the Patriots over the past 10 years. BB builds teams that can withstand injuries and compete. How did the Colts do last year when they lost Manning?  Some of the fans here are critical of BB because they see teams drafting pro-bowlers while ignoring the pro bowlers that BB drafts. In the end, how do the Patriots fare year in and year out compared to everyone else? Speaking of drafts, who had the best draft of any team in 2010? Look up how some of the outsiders rate the NFL GM's. Nearly every one will have BB in the top 5. Its really stupid to even argue, like saying Brady stinks as a QB..
Posted by sporter81

In Response to Re: to all the BB GM naysayers : I'd say coaching first, QB second, and a few key other players third (Moss, Gronk, Welker, etc.).  BB's biggest strength is the ability to get the most from guys who may have odd or limited talent but are smart and can adjust to complex or unusual schemes.  BB is great at designing schemes that allow individuals to succeed.  That's probably the biggest key to the team's ongoing success.  Overall talent level is definitely not the strength of the team . . .
Posted by prolate0spheroid

We went to the Super Bowl, have two #1 picks this year to go with a slew of 2nds, 3rds and beyond... plus we already have the QB of the future sitting on the bench in Ryan Mallett. If you say the Patriot problem (if there is one?) isn't the loss of Charlie Weis as well as all the young coaches being poached from our team before they're ready to be head coaches elsewhere, in short if you're saying BB isn't a good GM or that we lack talent then than you're a complete F-tard.   Look around, count your blessings, we could be the Bengal's...
Posted by wozzy

No question about it, every poster on this forum could do a better job of drafting talent than BB.  Yeah, I know; really sarcastic eh?  Well guess what?  For those who question BB's drafting prowess I offer the following: http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3749_Decade_in_the_making%3A_the_ultimate_NFL_draft_grades.html Now, by all means, find as much fault with the thread as you wish. 
Posted by ATJ

In Response to Re: to all the BB GM naysayers : Yup, being on top of the Division (6x) and Conference (2x) in that period, really sucks.  I say, fire the whole team and start over. I wonder how many here apply such measurables to their own careers?
Posted by pezz4pats

In Response to Re: to all the BB GM naysayers : We've seen this stupid CHFF article before. And its flaws have been pointed out before.
Posted by BabeParilli

In Response to Re: to all the BB GM naysayers : I think if you look at the sideline of a team that just lost the SB and see all the grown men crying you will get a better handle on what success in the NFL actually is. It ain't f'n division championships, and it ain't just not sucking.
Posted by BabeParilli

In Response to Re: to all the BB GM naysayers : Actually that's not the case, Babe.  It was yet another independent analysis that ranked the Pats drafting among the best in the NFL. The 'flaws' you claim to have pointed out then were specious. So, with all due respect, exactly what are the flaws in Cold Hard Football Facts thread?  Please be specific.
Posted by ATJ

OK, I disagree, but OK.  Kindly provide for us your criteria for what constitutes successful drafting.
Posted by ATJ

In Response to Re: to all the BB GM naysayers : This right here^ is exactly what is wrong with 21st century Pats fan and you can well believe me when I tell you we won't miss you at all. Outside of maybe Bitchburgh and, just lately, the blue part of New Jersey, I can't think of another NFL fan base that wouldn't salivate at the idea of realistically competing for championships year-in and year-out the way the Pats do. I'm sorry it offends your bandwagon sensibilities that the Pats don't win the Super Bowl every single year and gift-wrap it especially for you, but that's not the way the world works. Oh . . .  and you can save all that "I've been a fan since . . .  " bullsqueeze. You show what type of fan you are with every post.
Posted by p-mike