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    "So much money into picks in the secondary"? Please add up the total amount of the recent younger players' deals for us.    We'll then take that number and see what proportion of the payroll it adds upt to. Thanks. Tedy Bruschi SUCKED at covering.  Were you worried then?   http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4682283/rush-not-the-issue-its-coverage 1. The Patriots continued to play good run defense – allowing few runs over five yards – going into the second half. That set up an early third-and-9 situation. On the play, Rams RB Chris Ogbonnaya caught a dump-off pass but was stopped well short of the first down markers on a solid open-field tackle by LB Jerod Mayo . However, like many other times in the game, the drive was kept alive on a critical penalty; this time, CB Darius Butler committed an illegal contact penalty to draw a first down. Nothing to get excited about?  The annhilated the Falcons top rated rush offense and allowed only 7 points to the juggernaut Saints in the first half with the 1st unit. Ron Brace has actually looked good with sacks, strips and decent pressures. Gerard Warren has already looked better in 3 preseason games than Ty Warren looked all of last year. Brandon Spikes is a rookie and actually looks very good. Pat Chung is all over the field. McCourty looks impressive as the 1st rd pick and looks like he belongs. You are an irrational, lowly Pats fan who has a small brain.  Good luck reading to your kids tomorrow night again.  I am sure it won't go any better for you.
    Posted by russgriswold


    Tedy Bruschi Sucked at covering?
    The imortal Gerrard Warren is better than Ty Warren, based off of 3 preseason games? When you draft Chung in the second, Wheatly in the second, Buttler in the second, McCourty in the first, Merriweather in the first and pay Bodden, guess what? There goes just about all the major resources we had!! Second round picks are considered you know...Valuable:( Never mind Wilhite and that dope Marshall from Notre Dame (3rd rounder) that never played a down. Throw in Hobbs (3rd round if I remember). Do you think maybe, just maybe they could of used one of those picks or money on a guy that can PRESSURE!

    Brace is doing well? Guess what he's a second rounder!!He's supposed to do that!! Let's throw him a parade and give him a year supply of Koolaid!

    Everything else you said I uhm...Agree with.
     
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    Posted by kansaspatriot


    Sorry Kansas, if I recall you are a woman. Didn't think I'd see you on here tonight. Let's pretend goo is the glue that really does an awsome job and can be found at Walmart for $4.95.
     
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    Didn't the defense "stink" last year? At least that was what Tony Masaraotti and Chris Gapsie told me every week as the offense laid eggs in the second halves. I remember people trying to blame the D for allowing Zero points in the first half in NY (same in Denver) and pretending 16 or 17 points allowed on the road was a major problem. Hilarious. As if Brady's INT in Miami or even the backbreaker in New Orleans as they ran all over the Saints was the defense's fault?  Personally, I am glad Adalius Thomas is gone and I think that is an improvement on paper alone. I don't see where the personnel regression is on paper here outside of losing Ty Warren. Ty Warren hasn't played a full season or been good since 2007.  So, I'll go ahead and call Gerard Warren with something play for at least a break even point. So, really, compared to last year where is the regression in personnel? I don't get it.  They have depth at MLB, CB and Safety. They need to work on some zone D and improve the pass rush, but there is noting to suggest the pass rush will be worse or as bad.  Adalius Thomas did nothing all year last year.
    Posted by russgriswold

    The D should be overall better from last year

    Having Guyton as a reserve and Spikes/McKenzie in the mix is a big help

    McCourty can only help the secondary and Butler/Chung should be better as sophmores

    The other DE spot is where I am concerned, Green did not have a great season and was always more of a pass-rush specialist type who was a bit undersized for a 3-4. 

    But we have a couple of unproven DT in a 4-3 type guys in Wright/Pryor and Brace who are expected to jump into that Seymour role. I have honestly not paid much attention to Lewis, so I don't know what he may contribute.

    I am still peeved that we let Odrick pass us by by trading again into the future. 

     
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    Sometimes I think a lot of these people are trolls but if you listen to Sports radio in Boston it's the same thing. Same thing with the Red Sox. 162 game season and people are ready to jump off a cliff if we're not in first place in April. People are really into the teams around here and it's like Paralysis through Over-Analysis. I'm happy when they win and I'm not happy when they lose. In fact preseason or not I was in a pretty bad mood Friday and it was partially because the Pats lost. Partially because I was hungover with limited sleep but I was still pissedd that we lost and played bad. When I'm like that I tend to stay away from threads where people are loading up the .45 and spinning the barrel.
    Posted by ewhite1065

    The Red Sox have the best record in baseball since April 20th, it was their terrible April (along with the injuries) that have cost them the playoffs this year

    So jumping off a cliff after a horrible start to the year as been justified by their current situation

     
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    Posted by Getzo



    the truth is nobody knows...even those who claim here to know football or to be the elite pats fans...nobody knows because no meaningful game has been played yet.

    yes, the stigma of that 4th and 2 that bb called because he did not trust his d is still there. it is reasonable to be antsy.

    that said, he picked up a cb, an olb and an ilb in the first two rounds of the draft. the sophomores must have a matured some even if by a smidge. adalius is gone (this is big because at least you have someone trying to penetrate the opposing qb's blindside). a couple of vets were added. i am not saying these add up to an elite d, but who really knows... other than bb himself?

    what did you want to see on that game vs the rams? did you really want them to show off how good their d is by playing hard against the worst team in the nfl?  cmon.

    until we see how they actually move on the field in an real game, there is no reason to be over excited or disappointed. at the beginning of the year though, when everyone's undefeated, it's easier to tolerate the rose-colored eyeglass wearers than the pessimist. that's the reason you are geting what you're getting.



     
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    Just put the kids to bed, thought I'd get back into troll mode and ruin some of these positive thoughts and vibes for everything the Patriots do. Plus I see that Getzo is getting hammared by the Koolaid minions that are planning on parading down Patriot Place with signs that say, " Jonathan and Bob Kraft Please, Oh Please, Could You Lend Us Some Koolaid!!" Just answer some questions!! I've tried to answer some for all. 1. Who is going to provide consistant pressure besides Tully? 2. Who is going to play next to Vince? 3. Are our middle backers going to be able to cover? 4. Why are all the sudden our outside backers shorter than prefered for a Belicheck defense? 5. Why have we put so much money and draft picks into the secondary and yet they still are less than steller? 6. Why do I get asked about the first two preseason games so much? Preseason means nothing!! I really don't care they got embarrassed by the worst team in the league at home. I care that: A. There is nothing to get excited about on our D line. B. Our outside guys are either too small, to old or not good enough. C. Our middle backers have struggled in coverage and Mayo shouldn't be. D. They seem to lack a big guy that can hit in the secondary (no Milloy or Harrison) E. We do not have a defensive coordinator  
    Posted by mthurl

    O.K., snivelbot, DON'T drink the KoolAid.  But shut up and let the rest of us enjoy it.  Nobody is going to change what passes for your mind, so fine.  Go somewhere where people of your persuasion (Jet fans?) congregate, and snivel at them.  You won't change what happens.  Since you have this team figured, this seasons results aren't in question, are they?  Just shut the heck up in the mean time, you flaming gasbag.  I am sooooooooo tired of your silly manufactured list.  Drop it, we aren't listening.  And yeah, you are a Class A Troll, complete with nose hair, warts, and smelly feet.  Begone, find a bridge to hide under.

     
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    If this is going to be the tone of the Pats forum this year, I probably won't stop by here much. I agree that it's preferable to have a positive spirit, but without intelligent football discussion there won't be much to talk about here. Talking naively about how great we are isn't very interesting. This notion of "I'm a real fan so that means everyone who disagrees with me is a troll" has got to go. 

    I'm somewhat of an expert on trolls and my definition of a troll may surprise you. It's not necessarily those who are critical - though excessive negativity is trollish - it's those who trumpet the exact same line again and again. "True fans" can be trolls as well with their relentless insistence that everyone always be ecstatic about the team and anyone who is not to go away. This is the Patriots forum not the Patriots fanboy forum.

    That said, I like what I see so far on offense. I have some concerns on the defensive end, though so far the pass rush doesn't seem to be as big an issue as the coverage. However the infusion of youth we are starting to see on the defense is encouraging.
     
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    How many good guys did we lose from last year?  Not Wilfork, Bodden, TBC Guyton, Welker or anyone else I can think of.  The defense was top 10 last year.  The offense was even better.  Not good enough to win the SB but good enough to get to the playoffs.  As I see it we have last years team with some promising guys like Hernandez, Gronkowski, Spikes, Tate and Chung. 

    I can't see how they would not be better.  I know everyone wanted a Demarcus Ware but there weren't any available.  They will do fine with what they have, maybe not the best defense in the NFL but better than most with an offense that is one of the best in the NFL.  The Saints won last year with a very similiar build, mediocre defense great offense.  Sometimes you just don't get to have the best players at every position but you can still win.  The Jets have a great D but they can't score more than 10 points a game, you don't get alot of wins like that.

    The Pats looked very good against two great teams in NO and Atlanta and looked bad (defensively) against a bad team.  What does it all mean?  Who knows.  I think this team has the ability to win against anybody.  Other teams have weaknesses too.  The Colts just got 59 points dumped on them.  Lets see how they look with a game plan in the season.
     
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    I think the first thing some of the doubters need to do is look at the numbers from last year and if you do they can really only go up from last year. So here's some stats of the players that left.

    Jarvis Green
    Games 13
    Tackles 36
    Sacks 1
    Forced Fumbles 0
    http://www.nfl.com/players/jarvisgreen/profile?id=GRE251964

    Ty Warren
    Games 13
    Tackles 46
    Sacks 1
    Forced Fumbles 0
    http://www.nfl.com/players/tywarren/profile?id=WAR718852

    Adalius Thomas
    Games 14
    Tackles 34
    Sacks 3
    Forced Fumbles 0
    http://www.nfl.com/players/adaliusthomas/profile?id=THO013777

    Shawn Springs
    Games 12
    Tackles 40
    Interceptions 1
    Passes Defensed 4
    http://www.nfl.com/players/shawnsprings/profile?id=SPR379648

    Ok after looking at numbers yeah these guys were all vets but no one came close to being an all-pro. So we aren't replacing any pro-bowlers.

    So now does anyone think Gerard Warren can at least post similar numbers that Ty Warren posted? What about Ron Brace year 2 can he put up the same numbers or better than Jarvis Green? Figure we added Damonie Lewis as a backup and Myron Pryor is in his 2nd year.

    Now for the linebackers we have Banta-Cain and Burgess outside same as last year. Mayo back inside and if he stays healthy this year should be an improvement over last season. Guyton goes to the bench which improves our depth and Spikes inside. Depth we added Cunningham to go with McKenzie basically a rookie. Then throw in a wild card with Murrell, Ninkovich, and/or Woods. Is anyone really going to miss the 3 sacks and mal-contentedness of A. Thomas?

    Secondary can Butler or McCourty outperform Springs. Figure Butler should be better than last year. Then Wheatley or Wilhitte should add some improve the depth at cornerback with another year of experience. Chung replacing the McGowan/Sanders rotation at safety with those two guys going to the bench. I see continued improvements in the defensive backfield.

    Overall this D should be better than last year. I think it will be a top 10 D in points and lets face it that's the most important category at the end of the day.




     
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    In Response to Re: To all the Gloom and Doomer's : The Red Sox have the best record in baseball since April 20th, it was their terrible April (along with the injuries) that have cost them the playoffs this year So jumping off a cliff after a horrible start to the year as been justified by their current situation
    Posted by rameakap


    Thankyou
     
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    If I were here soley for the purpose of raising the ire of pats fans, I think this thread would be cause to leave.  Pats fans have no need for pure pot stirrers, they can do it all themselves amongst themselves and against themselves. 

    To quote Donovan McNabb with a tweak:

    Its Pat on Pat crime. 
     
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    Russ - you went in two different directions there. 

    First you said that everyone assumes a player from the SB years was a probowl level player who should play at that level today, and then attempt to support it by saying when they didn't play well, it was because of nagging injuries.  

    So which is it - one, the other, both?  

    Oh and by the way - most starters on teams end up with some kind of nagging injury that affects them during the year, so don't make that excuse.  Either they can play or they can't.  If they play, then there is no excuse.
     
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    That's the problem underdog, Assumptions plague this Blog. 
     
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    Just put the kids to bed, thought I'd get back into troll mode and ruin some of these positive thoughts and vibes for everything the Patriots do. Plus I see that Getzo is getting hammared by the Koolaid minions that are planning on parading down Patriot Place with signs that say, " Jonathan and Bob Kraft Please, Oh Please, Could You Lend Us Some Koolaid!!" Just answer some questions!! I've tried to answer some for all. 1. Who is going to provide consistant pressure besides Tully? 2. Who is going to play next to Vince? 3. Are our middle backers going to be able to cover? 4. Why are all the sudden our outside backers shorter than prefered for a Belicheck defense? 5. Why have we put so much money and draft picks into the secondary and yet they still are less than steller? 6. Why do I get asked about the first two preseason games so much? Preseason means nothing!! I really don't care they got embarrassed by the worst team in the league at home. I care that: A. There is nothing to get excited about on our D line. B. Our outside guys are either too small, to old or not good enough. C. Our middle backers have struggled in coverage and Mayo shouldn't be. D. They seem to lack a big guy that can hit in the secondary (no Milloy or Harrison) E. We do not have a defensive coordinator  
    Posted by mthurl




    Can't argue these concerns, but I worry about the pass-rush more than anything.  .

    Thanks for being open minded as well!
     
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    Russ, no matter the amount of name calling, injuries are an excuse, even for my colts.  That's why depth is important in the NFL.  Next man up.  If the starter can't give enough a team must turn to the back up. 

    Its exactly why you say the pats oline will be okay.  Depth. 

    So you may say their injuries hampered their play and that may be correct, but it shouldn't have hampered the pats play UNLESS the pats lacked depth, which apparently they did. 

    But this still does not address the question I asked.  You said that fans have too high of expectations for older players by assuming they are still as good as they once were and and then on the other hand say that their poor play is not that but due to injury.  I asked is it one, the other, or both.  You didn't answer. 

     
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    Posted by Getzo


    The pass rush has been a concern for a while.  It has been noted since Vrabels last year here where he simply didn't produce.  You knew a replacement was needed.  Well, our ship hasn't come in.

    Point of interest.  Belichick drafted McCourty so in his mind the secondary was more important.  The other thing is that the Pats had a lot of holes to cover on both sides of the ball and I think they did a pretty nice job of doing what they could.  There was no doubt in my mind that another draft would be needed to finish up plugging the holes before this draft was held.

    I hate bring up one game but it wasn't the pass rush that made us look like road kill against Baltimore.

    Being open minded is a two way street.  Just because someone agrees with you doesn't mean that person is open minded. 
     
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    In Response to Re: To all the Gloom and Doomer's : The pass rush has been a concern for a while.  It has been noted since Vrabels last year here where he simply didn't produce.  You knew a replacement was needed.  Well, our ship hasn't come in. Point of interest.  Belichick drafted McCourty so in his mind the secondary was more important.  The other thing is that the Pats had a lot of holes to cover on both sides of the ball and I think they did a pretty nice job of doing what they could.  There was no doubt in my mind that another draft would be needed to finish up plugging the holes before this draft was held. I hate bring up one game but it wasn't the pass rush that made us look like road kill against Baltimore. Being open minded is a two way street.  Just because someone agrees with you doesn't mean that person is open minded. 
    Posted by garytx




    No doubt at all sir.  But did you read all these other posts?... I got 'Hammered" as someone said, for me having this concern.

    I worried about the pass rush - and wrote about that, and then I get labeled a "troll". 
    So that's why I posted that. 

    And BB typical drafts the best player available.... That was McCourty apparently, which so far looks like a great pick.
     
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    Anybody else think that maybe, just maybe, that game against the Rams was a typical "Young" team trap game? Where instead of getting up for the game like a "Vet" team would they figured, since we beat the Saints and Falcon so easily, we just have to show up on the sidelines and beat the lowly Rams? That is kinda what it looked like to me. Especially on D.
     
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    "Ich habe einen schwartzen wagen, aber ich spreche lieber uber football :^)"

    Ein Pilsner Bitte!
     
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    Hey Russ, don't mean to criticize here, but when you talk about second rounders being cheap, it's laughable. The reasons why you want to hit on second rounders and first rounders is so you don't have to keep picking the same position over and over. That way you can make progress and pick players at other spots, like the front seven...where we need help. Hopefully we don't need help in the secondary as well, because that would be hard to explain after you spend the last 4 years trying to build it. 
     
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    I think the first thing some of the doubters need to do is look at the numbers from last year and if you do they can really only go up from last year. So here's some stats of the players that left. Jarvis Green Games 13 Tackles 36 Sacks 1 Forced Fumbles 0 http://www.nfl.com/players/jarvisgreen/profile?id=GRE251964 Ty Warren Games 13 Tackles 46 Sacks 1 Forced Fumbles 0 http://www.nfl.com/players/tywarren/profile?id=WAR718852 Adalius Thomas Games 14 Tackles 34 Sacks 3 Forced Fumbles 0 http://www.nfl.com/players/adaliusthomas/profile?id=THO013777 Shawn Springs Games 12 Tackles 40 Interceptions 1 Passes Defensed 4 http://www.nfl.com/players/shawnsprings/profile?id=SPR379648 Ok after looking at numbers yeah these guys were all vets but no one came close to being an all-pro. So we aren't replacing any pro-bowlers. So now does anyone think Gerard Warren can at least post similar numbers that Ty Warren posted? What about Ron Brace year 2 can he put up the same numbers or better than Jarvis Green? Figure we added Damonie Lewis as a backup and Myron Pryor is in his 2nd year. Now for the linebackers we have Banta-Cain and Burgess outside same as last year. Mayo back inside and if he stays healthy this year should be an improvement over last season. Guyton goes to the bench which improves our depth and Spikes inside. Depth we added Cunningham to go with McKenzie basically a rookie. Then throw in a wild card with Murrell, Ninkovich, and/or Woods. Is anyone really going to miss the 3 sacks and mal-contentedness of A. Thomas? Secondary can Butler or McCourty outperform Springs. Figure Butler should be better than last year. Then Wheatley or Wilhitte should add some improve the depth at cornerback with another year of experience. Chung replacing the McGowan/Sanders rotation at safety with those two guys going to the bench. I see continued improvements in the defensive backfield. Overall this D should be better than last year. I think it will be a top 10 D in points and lets face it that's the most important category at the end of the day.
    Posted by Wizardsjag


       Great Breakdown Wizard. You just laid this out perfectly. We are replacing guys who were aging and limited in production with guys who are young athletic and highly rated in the previous drafts, along with 2 former 1st rd veteran DE's in Warren G and Lewis. I see an obvious improvement from last years group.
     
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    If this is going to be the tone of the Pats forum this year, I probably won't stop by here much. I agree that it's preferable to have a positive spirit, but without intelligent football discussion there won't be much to talk about here. Talking naively about how great we are isn't very interesting. This notion of "I'm a real fan so that means everyone who disagrees with me is a troll" has got to go.  I'm somewhat of an expert on trolls and my definition of a troll may surprise you. It's not necessarily those who are critical - though excessive negativity is trollish - it's those who trumpet the exact same line again and again. "True fans" can be trolls as well with their relentless insistence that everyone always be ecstatic about the team and anyone who is not to go away. This is the Patriots forum not the Patriots fanboy forum. That said, I like what I see so far on offense. I have some concerns on the defensive end, though so far the pass rush doesn't seem to be as big an issue as the coverage. However the infusion of youth we are starting to see on the defense is encouraging.
    Posted by BostonTrollSpanker


    I feel this way too, if the Pats look like sheite i'll say so and if they look good i'll say so. Good post.
     
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    Posted by rameakap



    i fully agree with your statement re the red sox, but not the conclusion. the big difference is that the sox lost regular season games in april. the pats has not lost any of those. we can come back to this if the pats starts with a 1-4 record.

     
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    Don't forget the immortal words of Bill Parcels "We are what we are"!
    If the Pats don't improve on defense then they will be an average ball club. Good enough to beat the poorer teams but not good enough to beat the better teams.
    This my friends is just being realistic. It has nothing to do with gloom or doom. This team is being rebuilt and it takes time. My opinion is we are in year two of a three year rebuild!
     
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    I think the first thing some of the doubters need to do is look at the numbers from last year and if you do they can really only go up from last year. So here's some stats of the players that left. Jarvis Green Games 13 Tackles 36 Sacks 1 Forced Fumbles 0 http://www.nfl.com/players/jarvisgreen/profile?id=GRE251964 Ty Warren Games 13 Tackles 46 Sacks 1 Forced Fumbles 0 http://www.nfl.com/players/tywarren/profile?id=WAR718852 Adalius Thomas Games 14 Tackles 34 Sacks 3 Forced Fumbles 0 http://www.nfl.com/players/adaliusthomas/profile?id=THO013777 Shawn Springs Games 12 Tackles 40 Interceptions 1 Passes Defensed 4 http://www.nfl.com/players/shawnsprings/profile?id=SPR379648 Ok after looking at numbers yeah these guys were all vets but no one came close to being an all-pro. So we aren't replacing any pro-bowlers. So now does anyone think Gerard Warren can at least post similar numbers that Ty Warren posted? What about Ron Brace year 2 can he put up the same numbers or better than Jarvis Green? Figure we added Damonie Lewis as a backup and Myron Pryor is in his 2nd year. Now for the linebackers we have Banta-Cain and Burgess outside same as last year. Mayo back inside and if he stays healthy this year should be an improvement over last season. Guyton goes to the bench which improves our depth and Spikes inside. Depth we added Cunningham to go with McKenzie basically a rookie. Then throw in a wild card with Murrell, Ninkovich, and/or Woods. Is anyone really going to miss the 3 sacks and mal-contentedness of A. Thomas? Secondary can Butler or McCourty outperform Springs. Figure Butler should be better than last year. Then Wheatley or Wilhitte should add some improve the depth at cornerback with another year of experience. Chung replacing the McGowan/Sanders rotation at safety with those two guys going to the bench. I see continued improvements in the defensive backfield. Overall this D should be better than last year. I think it will be a top 10 D in points and lets face it that's the most important category at the end of the day.
    Posted by Wizardsjag


    good post...let me offer a different lens. at the end of the day, i'd like to see them fix problems i observed over the last three years that i do not remember they had  during the sb run. here are a few things i would watch for during teh first few games.

    1) how easy or hard is it for the pats to give up a td after the opponent gets first and goal inside the 5?  maybe it' selctive memory but the memory of that goal stand against the colts (with willie capping with the sack) really is still vivid in my mind. that i thought defined the pats. i don't remember seeing a stop close to that in past thre years. the question si whether spikes-mayo will hold up at two levels. will they or the olbs get to the runner soon enough and when they do, will they be able to bring down the runner and not get pushed back into the end zone?


    2) when the pats go into the third or fourth qtr with a lead of 10 or less, will they effectively pressure the qb? the past three years, they seemed to play not to lose in these situations. i would often observe them consistently going to a three-man rush that does not even get within a 5 yards of the qb. this does not align with a bb interview i listened to back in the good old days where the interviewer was praising the d for generating sacks (i know they were never a very high sacking team), and bb said that it was easier to get sacks when you have the lead.  that stuck in my head and that meant to me that they were aggressive even with a lead back then. regardles of whether my observation is correct, i would like to see them continuing to be aggressive on d even with the lead.

    3) they were pretty unpredictable on offense back in the good old days. during the past three years, i could guess pretty much with good success rate what they were calling on critical downs (normally third, behind on score or opponent rallying, third or fourth quarter). it was going to be either of the screen to faulk or the underneath to welker. after the baltimore game, i heard an interview of ray lewis where he said he would listen to radio coverage of pats games and know exactly how the pats were going to play it just by the announcers' description of the field formations.  that is so different from the time that radio announcers were praising weiss for calling plays nobody expected.

    4) i don't think any qb fears the pats d anymore. i loved it when the pats rattled manning as early as the first qtr...when he would give up 3 INTs in a game. the key is pressure up front. the last time i saw that happen to manning, it was the saints who did it to him.

    5) special teams has been mediocre at best over the past few years. i have not checked but they seem to give up a lot of yards on punt and ko reutrns while not getting much when theya re returning.

    6) i know this is part of the bend but don't break philosophy. however, i really can't stand constantly seeing the d give up the catch at the right first down marker along the sideline or in the middle just a yard or two short of first down.

    even if they start 2-2 or 2-3, i would be very encouraged if i see those fixed.




     
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