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Is this your research?  Source this research. I asked you to tell us if this was you or not before, or if you got this from soe Jets geek site.

Tell us now or you LOSE again. Again.

I've seen these geeks also make comments like "Tanny will fix it" and other crap like that for 5 years.

You and Mt Hurl are total morons.

The Pats are "doomed" at 15 mil under and leverage and the Jets with no QB, a new GM, a lame duck coach, 15 million over, no one wanting to go there, losing 9 starters, horrendous drafts recently, etc, somehow are in prime position to easly clip millions and easily get under the cap.

You have got to be the dumbest person here when it comes to understanding how complex this stuff is when you mismanage the besjesus out it for so long.

You challenged him to back up his claim he answered you in detail with numbers to support his claim. You have answered him with name calling and BS. Prove him wrong with rational argument or be quiet, if your intelligence is what you claim, it should be easy for you. Rational and intelligent people debate and discuss. Ignorant internet bullies deflect and insult. So, I am anxiously awaiting your well structured and fully supported reply....although I'm pretty sure you are just going to insult my momma.

Based on the info provided it seems as though they are in trouble for at least the next year and most likely through 2014. Assuming the OP is correct and they can clear the cap space he is citing they are going to have an awfully thin and talentless middle to bottom of the roster. 

To make matters worse they are stuck with a turnover machine at QB who they can not get rid of for 2 years.

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I just don't put a lot of faith in anything I read about any team's cap position, one way or the other.  Figuring out cap position requires detailed knowledge of current and past contracts.  That's all kept secret.  So while we can speculate based on what's leaked out, it's all very tenuous, I think.  What I do know is that with a cap of around $120 million and a minimum salary of around $1/2 million, it's impossible to have a roster with more than a handful of players making the $5 to $10 million dollar salaries the best veteran players tend to earn.  Because of that, don't expect the Pats to pick up or re-sign too many high profile FAs, espcially when Brady's pay results in a $20 million cap hit. 

Right, which is why the Jets dork who runs that site and why RKarp treating it like it's some kind of foolprof analysis is so funny.

RKarp also acts like the players who will be asked to restructure, will actually WANT to restrcuture.

Fact is, someone like Mangold might be absolutely sick and tired of losing and being misled byb a fraud owner, and might want to keep his money as is in 2013, or be released, traded, etc.

Right now, the NY Jets are the laughingstock of the NFL and have the least amount of leverage this offseason of any team in the NFL.

RKarp is trying tell us otherwise. Lmao

As for the Pats, I agree their FA moves will be minimal and methodical.  The reason why they don't need a slew of FAs, low tier or mid is because BB pretty much has his team right now. Does that mean, they don't need to address a few spots? Absolutely not. But, with the right moves in terms of a few, small but important tweaks, that's all that is needed, IMO.

The fact of the matter is, with a solid draft, a solid FA period and effective re-signs, NE will be right back in it for a deep AFC playoff run next year.

The Jets, meanwhile, will be trying to avoid another average or very weak draft like they've been having and will need up to 9 new starters to step up and somehow dominate all at once just to be able to compete for a wild card.

Good luck with that, Rkarp.

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In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:

I just don't put a lot of faith in anything I read about any team's cap position, one way or the other.  Figuring out cap position requires detailed knowledge of current and past contracts.  That's all kept secret.  So while we can speculate based on what's leaked out, it's all very tenuous, I think.  What I do know is that with a cap of around $120 million and a minimum salary of around $1/2 million, it's impossible to have a roster with more than a handful of players making the $5 to $10 million dollar salaries the best veteran players tend to earn.  Because of that, don't expect the Pats to pick up or re-sign too many high profile FAs, espcially when Brady's pay results in a $20 million cap hit. 

Right, which is why the Jets dork who runs that site and why RKarp treating it like it's some kind of foolprof analysis is so funny.

RKarp also acts like the players who will be asked to restructure, will actually WANT to restrcuture.

Fact is, someone like Mangold might be absolutely sick and tired of losing and being misled byb a fraud owner, and might want to keep his money as is in 2013, or be released, traded, etc.

Right now, the NY Jets are the laughingstock of the NFL and have the least amount of leverage this offseason of any team in the NFL.

RKarp is trying tell us otherwise. Lmao

As for the Pats, I agree their FA moves will be minimal and methodical.  The reason why they don't need a slew of FAs, low tier or mid is because BB pretty much has his team right now. Does that mean, they don't need to address a few spots? Absolutely not. But, with the right moves in terms of a few, small but important tweaks, that's all that is needed, IMO.

The fact of the matter is, with a solid draft, a solid FA period and effective re-signs, NE will be right back in it for a deep AFC playoff run next year.

The Jets, meanwhile, will be trying to avoid another average or very weak draft like they've been having and will need up to 9 new starters to step up and somehow dominate all at once just to be able to compete for a wild card.

Good luck with that, Rkarp.

Lets also put out these numbers.

2014-Pats have $106 million of the 120 million cap already accounted for only 37 players. They also have $62 million tied up with 6 players. 

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In response to redsoxfan94's comment:

yea, the jets are fine and the pats are in trouble.....LMAO!! you guys are hilarious.

I don't think anyone is saying that at all.  Many teams have a cap puzzle to work out. If I recall, the Jets have been in this salary cap hell for at least 5 years and it hasn't stopped them from being players in free agency.  One can debate the production/value of those players they have signed, just as one could debate the ones we have signed.  Going into 2009 the Jets were reported to be 20 million over the cap after cutting Pennington the year before and trading for Favre.  They had a rookie QB, a rookie HC and had drafted a top 10 bust in Vernon Gholston and replaced 10 or 11 starters.  The next two years they won a bunch of games and some playoff games. 

Cap hell does not really exist.  It can impinge things for a year or so, but teams frequently get over it very quickly. The problems comes from poor player evaluation.  Holmes had a good year with them and then they gave him 10 mil a year and he's been pretty average.  Scott and Pace were worth their salaries in 2009-10, but have dropped off quite dramatically and are now not worth their bloated contracts.

In our case, we have some money to spend, but if we want to just maintain our skill players like Talib & Welker that money is gone.  We are not going to be the same offense if we refuse to pay Welker and our D will be like it has been the last 3 years without Talib.   You can't just replace a 100+ catch WR with a guy like Edelman or some other scrub off the street.  

The Jets have likely written of 2013. They will replace guys like Scott, Pace, Moore, Eric Smith and Greene with low priced alternatives.  Those players were such non factors in 2012, I'm not sure that will make a bit of a difference in their production.  Their true problems in 2012 were offensive turnovers.  No matter who they replace those players with, the results will be the same if they continue to turn the ball over so often.

Well put and like many, I'm not a Jet's fan, but only a fool would be blind to see that their real problems are their quarterback. Some players they bring in work, some don't, but their real demise is and will continue to be Sanchez. And our saving glory is Tom Brady - until that changes we should continue to beat them and every other team in our division. The part I don't like is that the jets have spent like they were the one's that had the hall of fame QB who's window was closing...not us...I think we would of won another Super Bowl if we had. When the jets spent like that it was a waste - you can't win with Sanchez, but with Brady we could of turned this team into a more physical Super Bowl contender.

they were in the super bowl last year and were one half of football away from being in the super bowl this year....so they have been "physical super bowl contenders". as far as sanchez goes, i agree the jets have tried to make him seem like something hes not, they tried to make him the face of the franchise and it backfired badly. but, what you need to realize is that just throwing money around isnt going to get it done....BB has had to reload/rebuild after the retirements of many of the greats like ty law, tedy bruschi, troy brown, etc....and he has done a damn good job. the defense is young and improving and the offense may be one stretch the field receiver away from being productive in the playoffs.

Jet fans used a similar rational after their 2010 season..been to back to back championship games...great defense...Sanchez is improving etc.  How'd that work out? The Giants won the Superbowl in 2011 and thought that they just needed to tweak a few things to go back.  We cut Ty Law, Troy Brown was a good long term player who put together a few very good seasons in the early 2000s.  Let's not make him into anything more than that.

Honestly, I don't think Kraft is that concerned with saving dollars on players.  If the Pats don't spend to the cap it's more to preserve flexibility in case of injury and to avoid being limited in future years by too much dead money. I think their cap management--like everything else--is driven by a desire to stay good year-after-year.  A lot of teams go up and down . . . great a few years then bad a few years.  The Pats' approach keeps them steadily good over long stretches.  If it has a downside, it also means they haven't been able to get truly "great" in recent years and they continually to have positions that are weak and make it difficult for the team to really dominate in the playoffs.  

 From a financial perspective, though, I bet Kraft loves the steadily good approach because it means sell outs and home play off games year after year.  Financially, that's probably even better than a Super Bowl win. 

From a financial perspective, though, I bet Kraft loves the steadily good approach because it means sell outs and home play off games year after year.  Financially, that's probably even better than a Super Bowl win.

Who really cares what the m-effin Jets do to rebuild? 

In response to CablesWyndBairn's comment:

Who really cares what the m-effin Jets do to rebuild? 

RKarp does because he is a diehard Jets fan, apparently. He also doesn't think they're currently in a rebuilding mode for years to come. He, like Rex Ryan and the other morons leading that organization, think they will contend for a playoff spot next year. lol

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In response to redsoxfan94's comment:

yea, the jets are fine and the pats are in trouble.....LMAO!! you guys are hilarious.

I don't think anyone is saying that at all.  Many teams have a cap puzzle to work out. If I recall, the Jets have been in this salary cap hell for at least 5 years and it hasn't stopped them from being players in free agency.  One can debate the production/value of those players they have signed, just as one could debate the ones we have signed.  Going into 2009 the Jets were reported to be 20 million over the cap after cutting Pennington the year before and trading for Favre.  They had a rookie QB, a rookie HC and had drafted a top 10 bust in Vernon Gholston and replaced 10 or 11 starters.  The next two years they won a bunch of games and some playoff games. 

Cap hell does not really exist.  It can impinge things for a year or so, but teams frequently get over it very quickly. The problems comes from poor player evaluation.  Holmes had a good year with them and then they gave him 10 mil a year and he's been pretty average.  Scott and Pace were worth their salaries in 2009-10, but have dropped off quite dramatically and are now not worth their bloated contracts.

In our case, we have some money to spend, but if we want to just maintain our skill players like Talib & Welker that money is gone.  We are not going to be the same offense if we refuse to pay Welker and our D will be like it has been the last 3 years without Talib.   You can't just replace a 100+ catch WR with a guy like Edelman or some other scrub off the street.  

The Jets have likely written of 2013. They will replace guys like Scott, Pace, Moore, Eric Smith and Greene with low priced alternatives.  Those players were such non factors in 2012, I'm not sure that will make a bit of a difference in their production.  Their true problems in 2012 were offensive turnovers.  No matter who they replace those players with, the results will be the same if they continue to turn the ball over so often.

Well put and like many, I'm not a Jet's fan, but only a fool would be blind to see that their real problems are their quarterback. Some players they bring in work, some don't, but their real demise is and will continue to be Sanchez. And our saving glory is Tom Brady - until that changes we should continue to beat them and every other team in our division. The part I don't like is that the jets have spent like they were the one's that had the hall of fame QB who's window was closing...not us...I think we would of won another Super Bowl if we had. When the jets spent like that it was a waste - you can't win with Sanchez, but with Brady we could of turned this team into a more physical Super Bowl contender.

Look, Sanchez stinks. No one argues that. But the contract he was signed to came after 2 AFC championship games, and. Season in which he had 32 TD's. The Jets extended him, saving money on the cap, and locking him up for $8.5 million a year. Theoreticly it was a good move. Granted, it did not work out. 

The one thing I disagree with is that there is a salary cap hell. I do believe the Raiders, Cowboys and Redskins are in the midst of it. I do not think the Jets are. The Jets are very easily ale to get under the cap, and sign big ticket players or mid tier to build the middle. 

I am not even a Jets fan, nor a Jets troll. I simply like pointing out how wrong Rusty is. 

Show us where Sanchez had 32 TDs in a season. This should be HIGHlarious to see you source that.  Absolutely priceless.  Sanchez can't even put up a 2:!1 TD/INT ratio for crying out loud, but he threw 32 TDs passes before? LOL

Also, you went to Harvard and can't spell theoretically correctly?  Oh my. Why is it that we keep seeing you lie continuosly and passing it off as fact? Seems like you have a little bit of a pathologcial liar disorder going on.

The Raiders, Cowboys and Skins, exclusively, are in "cap hell", but not the Jets? Explain how the Jets are different as compared to the Cowboys, Skins or Raiders.  All you're doing is listing crappier run organizations with you hoping people won't challenge you on why you listed this organizations.   The Jets are actually in FAR worse shape because those teams actually have better QBs, as good or better defenses, have had better drafts recently, and aren't looking to replace 9 starters overnight.

The fact is, the Raiders, Cowboys and Skins are in MUCH better position to win now vs the Jets. The Raiders at least have a better QB, coach and GM because they made those moves further in advance than the Jets have. 

They also don't have 30 million tied up in to two overrated CBs.  Even the freaking Raiders have a better salary allocation approach than the Jets.  As a Jets fan, how does that feel RKarp?

LOL

You're not a Jets fan? You sure about that?  You seem to have an unhealthy enjoyment of praising their organization for a non-Jets fan who isn't from NY/NJ, wouldn't you say?

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In response to redsoxfan94's comment:

yea, the jets are fine and the pats are in trouble.....LMAO!! you guys are hilarious.

I don't think anyone is saying that at all.  Many teams have a cap puzzle to work out. If I recall, the Jets have been in this salary cap hell for at least 5 years and it hasn't stopped them from being players in free agency.  One can debate the production/value of those players they have signed, just as one could debate the ones we have signed.  Going into 2009 the Jets were reported to be 20 million over the cap after cutting Pennington the year before and trading for Favre.  They had a rookie QB, a rookie HC and had drafted a top 10 bust in Vernon Gholston and replaced 10 or 11 starters.  The next two years they won a bunch of games and some playoff games. 

Cap hell does not really exist.  It can impinge things for a year or so, but teams frequently get over it very quickly. The problems comes from poor player evaluation.  Holmes had a good year with them and then they gave him 10 mil a year and he's been pretty average.  Scott and Pace were worth their salaries in 2009-10, but have dropped off quite dramatically and are now not worth their bloated contracts.

In our case, we have some money to spend, but if we want to just maintain our skill players like Talib & Welker that money is gone.  We are not going to be the same offense if we refuse to pay Welker and our D will be like it has been the last 3 years without Talib.   You can't just replace a 100+ catch WR with a guy like Edelman or some other scrub off the street.  

The Jets have likely written of 2013. They will replace guys like Scott, Pace, Moore, Eric Smith and Greene with low priced alternatives.  Those players were such non factors in 2012, I'm not sure that will make a bit of a difference in their production.  Their true problems in 2012 were offensive turnovers.  No matter who they replace those players with, the results will be the same if they continue to turn the ball over so often.

Well put and like many, I'm not a Jet's fan, but only a fool would be blind to see that their real problems are their quarterback. Some players they bring in work, some don't, but their real demise is and will continue to be Sanchez. And our saving glory is Tom Brady - until that changes we should continue to beat them and every other team in our division. The part I don't like is that the jets have spent like they were the one's that had the hall of fame QB who's window was closing...not us...I think we would of won another Super Bowl if we had. When the jets spent like that it was a waste - you can't win with Sanchez, but with Brady we could of turned this team into a more physical Super Bowl contender.

Look, Sanchez stinks. No one argues that. But the contract he was signed to came after 2 AFC championship games, and. Season in which he had 32 TD's. The Jets extended him, saving money on the cap, and locking him up for $8.5 million a year. Theoreticly it was a good move. Granted, it did not work out. 

The one thing I disagree with is that there is a salary cap hell. I do believe the Raiders, Cowboys and Redskins are in the midst of it. I do not think the Jets are. The Jets are very easily ale to get under the cap, and sign big ticket players or mid tier to build the middle. 

I am not even a Jets fan, nor a Jets troll. I simply like pointing out how wrong Rusty is. 

Show us where Sanchez had 32 TDs in a season. This should be HIGHlarious to see you source that.  Absolutely priceless.  Sanchez can't even put up a 2:!1 TD/INT ratio for crying out loud, but he threw 32 TDs passes before? LOL

Also, you went to Harvard and can't spell theoretically correctly?  Oh my. Why is it that we keep seeing you lie continuosly and passing it off as fact? Seems like you have a little bit of a pathologcial liar disorder going on.

The Raiders, Cowboys and Skins, exclusively, are in "cap hell", but not the Jets? Explain how the Jets are different as compared to the Cowboys, Skins or Raiders.  All you're doing is listing crappier run organizations with you hoping people won't challenge you on why you listed this organizations.   The Jets are actually in FAR worse shape because those teams actually have better QBs, as good or better defenses, have had better drafts recently, and aren't looking to replace 9 starters overnight.

The fact is, the Raiders, Cowboys and Skins are in MUCH better position to win now vs the Jets. The Raiders at least have a better QB, coach and GM because they made those moves further in advance than the Jets have. 

They also don't have 30 million tied up in to two overrated CBs.  Even the freaking Raiders have a better salary allocation approach than the Jets.  As a Jets fan, how does that feel RKarp?

LOL

You're not a Jets fan? You sure about that?  You seem to have an unhealthy enjoyment of praising their organization for a non-Jets fan who isn't from NY/NJ, wouldn't you say?

Are you always a moron or only on BDC? In 2011 Sanchez had 26 throwing touchdowns and 6 rushing touchdowns. You dont have to graduate from Harvard to know 26 plus 6 equals 32.

I posted on each AFC team not only the hated Jets. I simply found perception far from reality regarding the Jets cap situation. 

See you in 5 weeks right? Jets 20-30 million under cap, Pats unable to reneg Brady or Mankins, so they cut Lloyd and maybe Ghost. 

5 weeks we come back, right?

So now we're counting "rushing TDs" when discussing QBs in a passing league?  Gee, that's funny no other NFL fan counts how many TDs a QB rushes for but you.

Isn't that interesting.

Why would I wait 5 weeks? We'll all just keep laughing at you this week, next week and MANY weeks in the future.

Only you on this planet think the Jets new GM can clip 45 million dollars in 5 weeks. 

I mean I've seen some really stupid people before, but you're easily at the top of the list.