Tom, THE CHOKER, Brady

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    Speaking to what I believe is the point of the original post, calling Brady a CHOKER I believe is just plain silly and not worthy of a counter argument.
     
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    [QUOTE]Let's set the super bowl loss aside. The last two playoff loses by the patriots demonstrated TB's lack of nerve for the big stage. It wasn't always this way. The young brave Tom Brady of old was key to our playoff wins. Then came the dreadful knee injury and mentally, he has not been the same since! NE will not win any meaningful playoff game again with Tom Brady as the quarterback. I know the pundits will say I am a troll, etc. The fact is that he has choked very severely in two consecutive playoff games. The jets did not do anything special. BB is never too slow to take blame for a game but he instead cited execution failures.  Time to find another young fearless quarterback ....
    Posted by rezadude[/QUOTE]

    reza, the idiot, dude.  See everyone can play this game.  BTW - did TB drop a sure TD pass and several others?  Did TB give up the points on D?  Yeah, he sure is a choker - wonder how many SB rings we'd have without that chocking fool - oh yeah, that's right - - none.  Please go troll somewhere else jerk.
     
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    One of the more ridiculous posts ever, but this guy is entitled to his own opinion, no matter how foolish or wrong it is!

    Go Pats!
     
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    [QUOTE]One of the more ridiculous posts ever, but this guy is entitled to his own opinion, no matter how foolish or wrong it is! Go Pats!
    Posted by LittleTimmy31[/QUOTE]

    True, we're all entitled to our opinions.  However, he's only here in a "troll" capacity to stir the pot.  That's why I asked nicely (said please and all) to do so somewhere else.  He won't probably, but it doesn't hurt to ask does it?  LOL:)
     
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    [QUOTE]  Time to find another young fearless quarterback ....
    Posted by rezadude[/QUOTE]

    And just who do you have in mind?

    I'd love to know how you figure out who is a "fearless" QB when they've never played in an NFL game.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Tom, THE CHOKER, Brady : It is not that they lost. It is how Brady played when they lost. Records are nice. The quarterback never can win a football game alone but he can surely lose one and that is what Brady has done in the last two playoff games.
    Posted by rezadude[/QUOTE]

    God, I was at the game.  The Jets had Brady's receivers completely covered. There was no one open on 90% of the passing plays.  Brady did seem to get frustrated during the game, but that wasn't because he lacked mental fortitude--it was because he lacked OPEN RECEIVERS!  

    The problem with the Pats offense isn't Brady. It's the lack of a serious running game or deep passing threat. The Pats' offense lives or dies on its short passing game and on draw-style running plays called from spread formations. Generally, the Pats offense is best when it mixes the spread formations with some tighter running formations to at least keep defenses a little off balance. If the Pats rely too heavily on the spread, they tend to get one-dimensional, and their drives often stall out as defenses sit on passing routes. If the opposition figures out a way to stop the short passing game and can limit the Pat's (weak) running game it can completely shut down the Pats' otherwise impressive offense.  This is exactly what the Jets did in the game in the Meadowlands and in the playoff game.  They showed blitz a lot, but mostly ended up dropping seven or eight into coverage, playing man-to-man on any deep receivers and flooding the underneath zones with multiple defenders.  Their LBs and extra DBs played very disciplined football, covering the men in their zones tightly and closing fast on the ball when it was thrown or on a runner if a draw was called. The Pats probably should have gone to tighter, run formations earlier in the game--in the second quarter rather than in the fourth, when it was too late to mount a long, slow drive.  But that was a play-calling error, not a problem with Brady's mental or intestinal fortitude.

    Putting everything on Brady's arm every game is not a playoff winning strategy. A real running game will help the Pats.  Bring in someone like Corey Dillon and a few more good run blockers and I think you'll see something more like the Pats of 2004.  Add a David Patton or a David Givens on the outside and the offense will get even better. If the whole offense relies on Brady's arm along with a handful of slot receivers and tight ends, though, the Pats will be spectacular at times but prone to laying eggs like they did in Cleveland and against the Jets whenever the opponent's defense figures out a way to shut down the underneath passing game. I don't think Brady is the problem--I really think the talent around him isn't quite diverse enough.  Add diversity to the offense and I'm sure Brady will look better and the Pats will start winning playoff games once again.

     

     



     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Tom, THE CHOKER, Brady : What a r*tard. Are you a regular contributor to fix news. Glen Beck your hero? Why don't try to read something instead of listening to morons. Geneva, 20 January 2011 (WMO) - The year 20 10 ranked as the warmest year on record , together with 2005 and 1998, according to the World Meteorological Organizati on . Data received by the WMO show no statistically significant difference between global temperatures in 20 10 , 2005 and 1998. In 20 10 , global average temperature was 0.53°C (0.95°F) above the 1961-90 mean. This value is 0.01°C (0.02°F) above the nominal temperature in 2005, and 0.02°C (0.05°F) above 1998. The difference between the three years is less than the margin of uncertainty (± 0.09°C or ± 0.16°F) in comparing the data. These statistics are based on data sets maintained by the UK Meteorological Office Hadley Centre/Climatic Research Unit (HadCRU), the U.S. Nati on al Climatic Data Center (NCDC), and the U.S. Nati on al Aer on autics and Space Administrati on (NASA). Arctic sea-ice cover in December 20 10 was the lowest on record , with an average m on thly extent of 12 milli on square kilometres, 1.35 milli on square kilometres below the 1979-2000 average for December. This follows the third-lowest minimum ice extent record ed in September. “The 20 10 data c on firm the Earth’s significant l on g-term warming trend,” said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud. “The ten warmest years on record have all occurred since 1998.” Over the ten years from 2001 to 20 10 , global temperatures have averaged 0.46°C (0.83°F)   above the 1961-1990 average, and are the highest ever record ed for a 10 -year period since the beginning of instrumental climate record s. Recent warming has been especially str on g in Africa, parts of Asia, and parts of the Arctic, with many subregi on s registering temperatures 1.2 to 1.4°C (2.2 to 2.5°F) above the l on g-term average. 20 10 was an excepti on ally warm year over much of Africa and southern and western Asia, and in Greenland and Arctic Canada, with many parts of these regi on s having their hottest years on record . Over land few parts of the world were significantly cooler than average in 20 10 , the most notable being parts of northern Europe and central and eastern Australia.   December 20 10 was excepti on ally warm in eastern Canada and Greenland. It was abnormally cold through large parts of northern and western Europe, with m on thly mean temperatures as much as 10 °C below normal at some locati on s in Norway and Sweden. Many places in Scandinavia had their coldest December on record .  December in Central England was the coldest since 1890. Heavy snowfalls severely disrupted transport in many parts of Europe. It was also colder than average in large parts of the Russian Federati on and in the eastern United States, where snow also severely disrupted transport. Recent significant weather and climate events   The year 20 10 was characterized by a high number of extreme weather events, including the heatwave in Russia and the devastating m on so on al floods in Pakistan. These were described in WMO’s provisi on al statement on the status of the global climate issued December 20 10 ( h ttp:// www.wmo.int/pages/mediacentre/press_releases/pr_904_en.html ) There have been many major weather and climate events in late 20 10 and early 2011. These include: In early January floods affected more than 800 000 people in Sri Lanka according to the UN Office for the Coordinati on of Humanitarian Affairs. The Philippines were also severely affected by floods and mudslides during January. Flash floods in the mountain areas near the city of Rio de Janeiro in Brazil in the sec on d week of January resulted in more than 700 deaths, many of them in mudslides. This is on e of the highest death tolls due to a single natural disaster in Brazilian history. Severe flooding occurred in eastern Australia in December and the first half of January, associated with the c on tinuing str on g La Niña event.  The most extensive damage was in the city of Brisbane, which had its sec on d-highest flood of the last 10 0 years after that of January 1974. In financial terms it is expected to be the most costly natural disaster in Australia’s history. Previous str on g La Niña events have also been associated with severe and widespread flooding in eastern Australia, notably in 1974 and 1955.
    Posted by fourjays30[/QUOTE]

    Why are you idiots wasting my day talking about the weather!!  Please leave this blog.
     
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    [QUOTE]MikeReiss Mike Reiss Patriots QB Tom Brady is named AP Offensive Player of the Year.
    Posted by Rocky[/QUOTE]

    ahha

    Didn't you hear?  Tom has "choked" very "severely" after missing the 2008 season blowing his leg out.

    Has any QB ever had a 9-1 TD/Int ratio in NFL history?


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Tom, THE CHOKER, Brady : What a r*tard. Are you a regular contributor to fix news. Glen Beck your hero? Why don't try to read something instead of listening to morons. Geneva, 20 January 2011 (WMO) - The year 20 10 ranked as the warmest year on record , together with 2005 and 1998, according to the World Meteorological Organizati on . Data received by the WMO show no statistically significant difference between global temperatures in 20 10 , 2005 and 1998. In 20 10 , global average temperature was 0.53°C (0.95°F) above the 1961-90 mean. This value is 0.01°C (0.02°F) above the nominal temperature in 2005, and 0.02°C (0.05°F) above 1998. The difference between the three years is less than the margin of uncertainty (± 0.09°C or ± 0.16°F) in comparing the data. These statistics are based on data sets maintained by the UK Meteorological Office Hadley Centre/Climatic Research Unit (HadCRU), the U.S. Nati on al Climatic Data Center (NCDC), and the U.S. Nati on al Aer on autics and Space Administrati on (NASA). Arctic sea-ice cover in December 20 10 was the lowest on record , with an average m on thly extent of 12 milli on square kilometres, 1.35 milli on square kilometres below the 1979-2000 average for December. This follows the third-lowest minimum ice extent record ed in September. “The 20 10 data c on firm the Earth’s significant l on g-term warming trend,” said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud. “The ten warmest years on record have all occurred since 1998.” Over the ten years from 2001 to 20 10 , global temperatures have averaged 0.46°C (0.83°F)   above the 1961-1990 average, and are the highest ever record ed for a 10 -year period since the beginning of instrumental climate record s. Recent warming has been especially str on g in Africa, parts of Asia, and parts of the Arctic, with many subregi on s registering temperatures 1.2 to 1.4°C (2.2 to 2.5°F) above the l on g-term average. 20 10 was an excepti on ally warm year over much of Africa and southern and western Asia, and in Greenland and Arctic Canada, with many parts of these regi on s having their hottest years on record . Over land few parts of the world were significantly cooler than average in 20 10 , the most notable being parts of northern Europe and central and eastern Australia.   December 20 10 was excepti on ally warm in eastern Canada and Greenland. It was abnormally cold through large parts of northern and western Europe, with m on thly mean temperatures as much as 10 °C below normal at some locati on s in Norway and Sweden. Many places in Scandinavia had their coldest December on record .  December in Central England was the coldest since 1890. Heavy snowfalls severely disrupted transport in many parts of Europe. It was also colder than average in large parts of the Russian Federati on and in the eastern United States, where snow also severely disrupted transport. Recent significant weather and climate events   The year 20 10 was characterized by a high number of extreme weather events, including the heatwave in Russia and the devastating m on so on al floods in Pakistan. These were described in WMO’s provisi on al statement on the status of the global climate issued December 20 10 ( h ttp:// www.wmo.int/pages/mediacentre/press_releases/pr_904_en.html ) There have been many major weather and climate events in late 20 10 and early 2011. These include: In early January floods affected more than 800 000 people in Sri Lanka according to the UN Office for the Coordinati on of Humanitarian Affairs. The Philippines were also severely affected by floods and mudslides during January. Flash floods in the mountain areas near the city of Rio de Janeiro in Brazil in the sec on d week of January resulted in more than 700 deaths, many of them in mudslides. This is on e of the highest death tolls due to a single natural disaster in Brazilian history. Severe flooding occurred in eastern Australia in December and the first half of January, associated with the c on tinuing str on g La Niña event.  The most extensive damage was in the city of Brisbane, which had its sec on d-highest flood of the last 10 0 years after that of January 1974. In financial terms it is expected to be the most costly natural disaster in Australia’s history. Previous str on g La Niña events have also been associated with severe and widespread flooding in eastern Australia, notably in 1974 and 1955.
    Posted by fourjays30[/QUOTE]

    Who is Glen Beck? Did something hit close to home?    lol
     
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    fourjays30-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck

    Okay...Now I see why that hit home with you.....You are an angry Liberal, who is still having problems getting over the fact that Al Gore did not become president!

    Sorry to throw out a hurtful and traumatic term.....

    And no.... I have do watch or listen to politcal commentators

    Although I am sure you are the type that does and hurls around insults when you call-in
     
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    [QUOTE]Hey what about this weather the United States is experiencing!  Global Warming at its finest!
    Posted by Rocky[/QUOTE]

    I hope you are not serious. The effects of global warming are MORE EXTREME WEATHER CONDITIONS. And if you have been paying attention, this is in fact what we are seeing. Record floods in Australia, record heat in the former USSR have both contributed to skyrocketing prices for agricultural commodities. We are seeing extreme periods of drought and flooding in various parts of the US over the past decade. And, of course, record world wide temperatures where the hottest years are all recent.

    If you would choose a neurosurgeon to operate on you or your family if brain surgery were required, if you see a doctor or take medication prescribed by a doctor, if you use a computer or a cell phone, if you drive a car, fly in a plane or watch TV... heck, if you use electricity! ...then you are reaping the values of scientific analysis. If you choose to listen to the same voices that stated that smoking didnt cause cancer then feel free to engage in none of the above.
     
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    Lots of sarcasm on these boards by the regulars
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Tom, THE CHOKER, Brady : What a r*tard. Are you a regular contributor to fix news. Glen Beck your hero? Why don't try to read something instead of listening to morons. Geneva, 20 January 2011 (WMO) - The year 20 10 ranked as the warmest year on record , together with 2005 and 1998, according to the World Meteorological Organizati on . Data received by the WMO show no statistically significant difference between global temperatures in 20 10 , 2005 and 1998. In 20 10 , global average temperature was 0.53°C (0.95°F) above the 1961-90 mean. This value is 0.01°C (0.02°F) above the nominal temperature in 2005, and 0.02°C (0.05°F) above 1998. The difference between the three years is less than the margin of uncertainty (± 0.09°C or ± 0.16°F) in comparing the data. These statistics are based on data sets maintained by the UK Meteorological Office Hadley Centre/Climatic Research Unit (HadCRU), the U.S. Nati on al Climatic Data Center (NCDC), and the U.S. Nati on al Aer on autics and Space Administrati on (NASA). Arctic sea-ice cover in December 20 10 was the lowest on record , with an average m on thly extent of 12 milli on square kilometres, 1.35 milli on square kilometres below the 1979-2000 average for December. This follows the third-lowest minimum ice extent record ed in September. “The 20 10 data c on firm the Earth’s significant l on g-term warming trend,” said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud. “The ten warmest years on record have all occurred since 1998.” Over the ten years from 2001 to 20 10 , global temperatures have averaged 0.46°C (0.83°F)   above the 1961-1990 average, and are the highest ever record ed for a 10 -year period since the beginning of instrumental climate record s. Recent warming has been especially str on g in Africa, parts of Asia, and parts of the Arctic, with many subregi on s registering temperatures 1.2 to 1.4°C (2.2 to 2.5°F) above the l on g-term average. 20 10 was an excepti on ally warm year over much of Africa and southern and western Asia, and in Greenland and Arctic Canada, with many parts of these regi on s having their hottest years on record . Over land few parts of the world were significantly cooler than average in 20 10 , the most notable being parts of northern Europe and central and eastern Australia.   December 20 10 was excepti on ally warm in eastern Canada and Greenland. It was abnormally cold through large parts of northern and western Europe, with m on thly mean temperatures as much as 10 °C below normal at some locati on s in Norway and Sweden. Many places in Scandinavia had their coldest December on record .  December in Central England was the coldest since 1890. Heavy snowfalls severely disrupted transport in many parts of Europe. It was also colder than average in large parts of the Russian Federati on and in the eastern United States, where snow also severely disrupted transport. Recent significant weather and climate events   The year 20 10 was characterized by a high number of extreme weather events, including the heatwave in Russia and the devastating m on so on al floods in Pakistan. These were described in WMO’s provisi on al statement on the status of the global climate issued December 20 10 ( h ttp:// www.wmo.int/pages/mediacentre/press_releases/pr_904_en.html ) There have been many major weather and climate events in late 20 10 and early 2011. These include: In early January floods affected more than 800 000 people in Sri Lanka according to the UN Office for the Coordinati on of Humanitarian Affairs. The Philippines were also severely affected by floods and mudslides during January. Flash floods in the mountain areas near the city of Rio de Janeiro in Brazil in the sec on d week of January resulted in more than 700 deaths, many of them in mudslides. This is on e of the highest death tolls due to a single natural disaster in Brazilian history. Severe flooding occurred in eastern Australia in December and the first half of January, associated with the c on tinuing str on g La Niña event.  The most extensive damage was in the city of Brisbane, which had its sec on d-highest flood of the last 10 0 years after that of January 1974. In financial terms it is expected to be the most costly natural disaster in Australia’s history. Previous str on g La Niña events have also been associated with severe and widespread flooding in eastern Australia, notably in 1974 and 1955.
    Posted by fourjays30[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, and we all know climatologists would never fudge their numbers, would they?
     
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    [QUOTE]  I wouldnt consider 14-5 record in the playoffs choking. But then again he hasnt won in a couple of playoff appearances so I suppose you are ready to call him a no good choke artist?
    Posted by Colosoxman[/QUOTE]
    but isn't a team record a team achievement?  Is Tom Brady the sole reason for that record?
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm glad to see you saw Brady as the only player on the field versus the Jets, what about the other 21?
    Posted by agcsbill[/QUOTE]

    AGC - you may not appreciate this, but I call it like it is.  Your comment sounds exactly like me defending Manning.  You know how well my defense of Manning has "gone over" on this board.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Tom, THE CHOKER, Brady : AGC - you may not appreciate this, but I call it like it is.  Your comment sounds exactly like me defending Manning.  You know how well my defense of Manning has "gone over" on this board.
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Once again, let me know when Brady has done seven times.
     
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    [QUOTE]Let's set the super bowl loss aside. The last two playoff loses by the patriots demonstrated TB's lack of nerve for the big stage. It wasn't always this way. The young brave Tom Brady of old was key to our playoff wins. Then came the dreadful knee injury and mentally, he has not been the same since! NE will not win any meaningful playoff game again with Tom Brady as the quarterback. I know the pundits will say I am a troll, etc. The fact is that he has choked very severely in two consecutive playoff games. The jets did not do anything special. BB is never too slow to take blame for a game but he instead cited execution failures.  Time to find another young fearless quarterback ....
    Posted by rezadude[/QUOTE]

    TROLL
     
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    Hey I'll admit he had a couple of not so great games in the playoffs. The Denver game 5 years ago or so was the one that  really stood out in my mind and may be the only one that I would pin on him. The defense played well in that game and he threw a pick early (we were driving for a score) and he was'nt good the rest of the way.

    As for the rest of the games he has been better than most and outstanding in others. Even in the Jets game, most QB's would be happy with his numbers. Anyone who blames Manning for the colt's loses is probably not looking at the bigger picture as well, but Manning has single handily ruined some of their chances. The only thing is that Manning also single handily kept and got them into a lot of those games as well. 
     
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    The point I take from this is TB12 is our savior for most games but the times that he gets pressured, hit, or just has a bad game the Pats don't win.  I fully agree.  That's why it is time for the Pats to diversify the way they win games.  Upgrading the defense and continued commitment to the running game will do just that.  So when TB does get knocked off course, and it is bound to happen again in a meaningful game, maybe next time the Pats defense can rise to the challenge holding a team to 14 or fewer and causing turnovers.  Or the running game can impose it's will and go for 100+.  These are the keys to not only winning another championship but also keeping TB healthy during the twilight of his career which I'm sure we can all agree is starting soon.
     
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    [QUOTE]Kind of goofy to call Brady a "choker" - the guy has an incredible record. That said, if the Pats don't win a playoff game next year it will be a DISASTER and probably usher in the end of BB. I think Kraft should let BB know that.
    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost[/QUOTE]

    Isn't it a team record?  Can you really separate "the guy" from the team and call the record his?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Tom, THE CHOKER, Brady : God, I was at the game.  The Jets had Brady's receivers completely covered. There was no one open on 90% of the passing plays.  Brady did seem to get frustrated during the game, but that wasn't because he lacked mental fortitude--it was because he lacked OPEN RECEIVERS!   The problem with the Pats offense isn't Brady. It's the lack of a serious running game or deep passing threat. The Pats' offense lives or dies on its short passing game and on draw-style running plays called from spread formations. Generally, the Pats offense is best when it mixes the spread formations with some tighter running formations to at least keep defenses a little off balance. If the Pats rely too heavily on the spread, they tend to get one-dimensional, and their drives often stall out as defenses sit on passing routes. If the opposition figures out a way to stop the short passing game and can limit the Pat's (weak) running game it can completely shut down the Pats' otherwise impressive offense.  This is exactly what the Jets did in the game in the Meadowlands and in the playoff game.  They showed blitz a lot, but mostly ended up dropping seven or eight into coverage, playing man-to-man on any deep receivers and flooding the underneath zones with multiple defenders.  Their LBs and extra DBs played very disciplined football, covering the men in their zones tightly and closing fast on the ball when it was thrown or on a runner if a draw was called. The Pats probably should have gone to tighter, run formations earlier in the game--in the second quarter rather than in the fourth, when it was too late to mount a long, slow drive.  But that was a play-calling error, not a problem with Brady's mental or intestinal fortitude. Putting everything on Brady's arm every game is not a playoff winning strategy. A real running game will help the Pats.  Bring in someone like Corey Dillon and a few more good run blockers and I think you'll see something more like the Pats of 2004.  Add a David Patton or a David Givens on the outside and the offense will get even better. If the whole offense relies on Brady's arm along with a handful of slot receivers and tight ends, though, the Pats will be spectacular at times but prone to laying eggs like they did in Cleveland and against the Jets whenever the opponent's defense figures out a way to shut down the underneath passing game. I don't think Brady is the problem--I really think the talent around him isn't quite diverse enough.  Add diversity to the offense and I'm sure Brady will look better and the Pats will start winning playoff games once again.    
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]

    I could substitute Peyton Manning for Tom Brady in this statement and get all kinds of Manning is a choker responses. 

    Whether pats fans like it or not, given the arguments explaining the pats playoff losses, if pats fans believe manning is a choker, then you must apply that to Brady as well.
     
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    Dude, when you start a post with the words choke and Brady in the title you are already discredited. He had the time to throw for the most part in thr Jets game but nobody to throw too. Credit the Jets with a good defensive plan and all the little things that goes in winning an NFL game. I am happy we still have Brady thank you very much!!!!!!
     
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    Capn - you are exactly right. 

    Tom Brady and pats fans have actually helped me accept more firmly what I have always thought. 

    1.  In the most "team" of games atrributing one person's play to the team's record is bad theory.  This doesn't mean that certain players never rise above and provide the exceptional contribution to get the win, they do.  But those are rare. 

    2.  When crediting or discrediting with emphasis, a single individual for a team's victory or loss you automatically discount everyone else's performance.  Interestingly, I get people to engage me in a Brady debate or a Manning debate, and it always finishes with Brady's record as if the rest of the team did not have a hand in it.  So, when I ask whether or not Bruschi, Vrabel, McGinest, Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Samuel, Law, Milloy, or Harrison had any hand in that record, it is almost always met with silence.  For example, did you know that in Brady's playoff tenure (19 games), the pats D has generated 42 turnovers. 
     
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    [QUOTE]The first thing I thought of when I read most of these posts was you, Dogg. A lot of fans contradict themselves here. I agree with you somewhat.  One thing I don't get is that Manning lost to some very good Patriot teams. Saying he's a choker is kind of discrediting those teams, no?  Isn't a choke a situation in which you are expected to win handily but fail? Was that ever the case? Maybe the San Diego game a couple years ago. You get unfairly crucified when you try to defend Manning; however, you're on enemy soil, what do you expect?
    Posted by CaptainZdeno33[/QUOTE]


    To be fair, maybe if Manning wasn't so overrated by the media as this golden boy perfect QB before ever even winning a ring, maybe people wouldn't consider him a disappointment when it counted?

    At least Brady has won when it counted far more so than not.
     
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