Tommy Kelly Signed

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    So should we consider ourselves set at DT and maybe not draft anyone there with our 3 highly valubale and needed picks?

    Wilfork

    Kelly

    Love

    Deaderick

    Armstead

    Francis

    seems like more than enough when we have Jones, Nink, Cunningham and Bequette at DE. Maybe add a guy who can play DE in a 3-4 and 4-3 and rush the passer over a 300+ lb DT type who will help more with the run. We have a few of them now.



    I would say we are set. If you look at it, Wilfork is getting older and will eventually need to be replaced. Kelley might or might not make it through camp but if he does he's another aging vet who might be better used situationally then as a starter. Love, Deadrick, and Fracis are nice sub players but none really are starters. Armstead is the wild card but it's still a great unknown. All in all given this is a very strong DT draft and next year looks weak for DT's if they want to plan for Wilforks eventual departure and hedge there bets for who ever plays next to him they could get a project DT with high upside like a J. Williams, B. Willaims, of K Geathers

     
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    Re: Tommy Kelly Signed

    Field Yates         Field Yates @FieldYates 31s

    Source: DT Tommy Kelly's 2-year deal with the Patriots is worth up to $5 million. http://es.pn/12JvB9p 

     
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    Source: DT Tommy Kelly's 2-year deal with the Patriots is worth up to $5 million. http://es.pn/12JvB9p 



    Hopefully it's mostly non-guaranteed and performance based otherwise this could be another Ellis wasted $4.5mil. Kelley is a liability against the run and has an issue with penalties. If it's one thing BB can't stand it's penalties so there is a chance BB just dumps him in preseason if Kelley can't keep that under control. Hopefully it works out though but $5mil would suggest to me they aren't going to target Sanders and plan to go into the season with a rotation of Kelley, Deadrick, Love, Armstead

     
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    Re: Tommy Kelly Signed

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    Field Yates         Field Yates @FieldYates 31s

     

    Source: DT Tommy Kelly's 2-year deal with the Patriots is worth up to $5 million. http://es.pn/12JvB9p 

     



    Hopefully it's mostly non-guaranteed and performance based otherwise this could be another Ellis wasted $4.5mil. Kelley is a liability against the run and has an issue with penalties. If it's one thing BB can't stand it's penalties so there is a chance BB just dumps him in preseason if Kelley can't keep that under control. Hopefully it works out though but $5mil would suggest to me they aren't going to target Sanders and plan to go into the season with a rotation of Kelley, Deadrick, Love, Armstead

     




    they probobaly can still go after sanders, but yea i agree that they will probobaly go in to the season with kelly, deaderick, love and armstead. this signing at the very least gives them the option of selecting a receiver with their first round pick.

     
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    interesting breakdown JR though not sure I agree with the end thoughts from ESPNBoston. I actually see this contract as one where they aren't sure of his ability to remain on the team more so then his ability to play. The $1mil guaranteed is a small drop in the bucket in which if cut once camp starts would only count as $500K in dead money in 13' and 14'. This allows them to cut him without any worry at any point this year. Additionally the game active conditions are also an indication that they might not feel as if he will be active for every game. Overall It's a good contract for the Pats. If he takes plays off or doesn't perform as they think they can dump him with little dead money at any point but the incentives for him to perform are much higher as a 1/4 of his salary is based on him playing this year. To me it looks like a contract completely based on his performance from week to week and being able to remain on the team.

     
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    Re: Tommy Kelly Signed

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    interesting breakdown JR though not sure I agree with the end thoughts from ESPNBoston. I actually see this contract as one where they aren't sure of his ability to remain on the team more so then his ability to play. The $1mil guaranteed is a small drop in the bucket in which if cut once camp starts would only count as $500K in dead money in 13' and 14'. This allows them to cut him without any worry at any point this year. Additionally the game active conditions are also an indication that they might not feel as if he will be active for every game. Overall It's a good contract for the Pats. If he takes plays off or doesn't perform as they think they can dump him with little dead money at any point but the incentives for him to perform are much higher as a 1/4 of his salary is based on him playing this year. To me it looks like a contract completely based on his performance from week to week and being able to remain on the team.



    Yeah, I really like these type of contracts for vereran players.  If they want to get paid, then they have to perform well week in and week out, or they can cut them without much loss.  I bet that Kelly will play well and earn his money, and that is a great thing for him and the Pats.  Well done.

     
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    I still think there is no way the Pats draft a WR in the 1st. Its never been their MO. Even if Kelly pans out, he is a stopgap so I still see the need for drafting a good lineman because I have never seen Armstead play and Im not impressed with Love, Francis, Deaderick. These jags look ok in reg. season vs the Miami's of the world, but once we played Bmore, Francis, Deaderick,etc were not heard from at all. It takes real talent to have success in the postseason and im sick of being reg. season wonders and postseason pretenders. I dont wanna sound negative, but Im hoping for more help for Vince. A young body would be Ideal and a 32 year old Big man could be injured in camp. Need insurance so we arent counting on another mid season pickup like Francis to work miracles.

    If they Do like Armstead and Kelly enough, maybe they wait till 2nd to draft DT, but I dont see WR in the 1st. I think they still sign Emmanule Sanders and use that 3rd. trade out the 1st to get another 3rd. Use the 2nd for a DT, use the 2 3rds for a CB(Honey Badger) and S and use their late pics on O-lineman and a project/sleeper WR like a Brandon Marshall coming out of UCF. He was a late pic/project too.

     
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    Re: Tommy Kelly Signed

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    In response to PatsEng's comment:

     

    In response to Rocky's comment:

    Field Yates         Field Yates @FieldYates 31s

     

    Source: DT Tommy Kelly's 2-year deal with the Patriots is worth up to $5 million. http://es.pn/12JvB9p 

     



    Hopefully it's mostly non-guaranteed and performance based otherwise this could be another Ellis wasted $4.5mil. Kelley is a liability against the run and has an issue with penalties. If it's one thing BB can't stand it's penalties so there is a chance BB just dumps him in preseason if Kelley can't keep that under control. Hopefully it works out though but $5mil would suggest to me they aren't going to target Sanders and plan to go into the season with a rotation of Kelley, Deadrick, Love, Armstead

     

     




     

    Here is a breakdown from Espnboston

     

     

    The Patriots recently came to terms on a two-year deal with defensive tackle Tommy Kelly, and a league source indicates that the deal carries a maximum value of $5 million.

    The full breakdown of the contract is listed below.

    Overall terms: Two years, maximum value of $5 million ($1 million in guaranteed money)
    Signing bonus: $1 million

    2013
    Base salary: $950,000
    Workout bonus: $50,000
    Roster bonus: $31,250 per game that Kelly is active (maximum value of $500,000)
    Cap charge: $2 million

    2014
    Base salary: $1.95 million
    Workout bonus: $50,000
    Roster bonus: $31,250 per game that Kelly is active (maximum value of $500,000)
    Cap charge: $3 million

    QUICK-HIT THOUGHTS: Though the deal includes just $1 million in guaranteed money, the maximum value of $5 million is a reflection that the team doesn't view Kelly as a player whose play has dramatically dropped off as he enters his 10th season in 2013. One of the factors that the team likely valued about Kelly is his consistency, as he played and started in every game for Oakland over the last five seasons. If he can stay healthy, his roster bonuses are achievable and would result in up to $1 million in additional money. The most recent salary cap space update indicated that the Patriots had roughly $10.2 million in leftover space, and Kelly's $2 million charge for 2013 leaves the team with additional room to work with.




    Sounds like he will be cut after year 1.   lol - lets hope we get good production in year 1

     
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    I still think there is no way the Pats draft a WR in the 1st. Its never been their MO. Even if Kelly pans out, he is a stopgap so I still see the need for drafting a good lineman because I have never seen Armstead play and Im not impressed with Love, Francis, Deaderick. These jags look ok in reg. season vs the Miami's of the world, but once we played Bmore, Francis, Deaderick,etc were not heard from at all. It takes real talent to have success in the postseason and im sick of being reg. season wonders and postseason pretenders. I dont wanna sound negative, but Im hoping for more help for Vince. A young body would be Ideal and a 32 year old Big man could be injured in camp. Need insurance so we arent counting on another mid season pickup like Francis to work miracles.

    If they Do like Armstead and Kelly enough, maybe they wait till 2nd to draft DT, but I dont see WR in the 1st. I think they still sign Emmanule Sanders and use that 3rd. trade out the 1st to get another 3rd. Use the 2nd for a DT, use the 2 3rds for a CB(Honey Badger) and S and use their late pics on O-lineman and a project/sleeper WR like a Brandon Marshall coming out of UCF. He was a late pic/project too.



    i dont think they have to/will draft a receiver in round one....i just believe this signing gives them the flexibility to do so. they could very well sign sanders and use their picks on defense.

     
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    This has me thinking. I know 2014 is going to be a weak DT class but I wonder about 2015. Kelley could be a place holder for either Armstead or Forston and see which one develops over the next year or two. His contract is setup that it gives them flexibility to have him as a 1 or two year place holder depending on how either develops, which makes sense to me. But, what it doesn't account for is Wilforks eventual replacement. Now if Kelley is a place holder for either Armstead or Forston then they most likely won't target a DT early instead maybe grabbing a K Geathers in the 3rd? and letting him develop over the next couple years. Or, they can bypass DT all together the next 2 years hoping Armstead or Forston develop and target a 2015 class. I know there are/were some pretty big DL blue chipers coming out of high school the last year and this year. 2015 or 2016 could shape up to be a similar year to this year with a larger number of top end talent coming out. If they double down on WR or CB in this draft and hit on a couple they could set themselves up to only focus on a eventually Brady replacement in a very strong QB class next year (ala Rogers with GB) and an interior OL but essentially having a very strong and young team without many holes. This could allow them to trade out of 2014 completely and stock pile picks in 2015 to move up for a top end DT to replace Wilfork in 3-4 years. Interesting dynamic right now and could result in some great manueving. Of course this is all based on the picks hitting this year and Kelley giving what he gave in 10' and 11' along with the young players developing, otherwise they could be hurting on the DL in a couple years

     
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    I believe that this basically cuts the pats available cap space to almost nothing. Not saying this is a bad signing but the facts are they will need 7-8 mil for draft and carry over. Can anyone confirm that they are within a million or so of the cap based on this signing and the assumed draft/ CO needs?

     
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    interesting breakdown JR though not sure I agree with the end thoughts from ESPNBoston. I actually see this contract as one where they aren't sure of his ability to remain on the team more so then his ability to play. The $1mil guaranteed is a small drop in the bucket in which if cut once camp starts would only count as $500K in dead money in 13' and 14'. This allows them to cut him without any worry at any point this year. Additionally the game active conditions are also an indication that they might not feel as if he will be active for every game. Overall It's a good contract for the Pats. If he takes plays off or doesn't perform as they think they can dump him with little dead money at any point but the incentives for him to perform are much higher as a 1/4 of his salary is based on him playing this year. To me it looks like a contract completely based on his performance from week to week and being able to remain on the team.

     



    isnt $950 the vets minimum? seems like a good contract for the Pats...year 1 vets min plus game incentives. Agree, if he doesnt work out, the dead money is very minimal...

     

    while many have speculated on this post if Kelly still has something in the tank, the contract, if it is accurate, also states the Pats are not sure Kelly has something left in the tank, and are protecting themselves.

    everyone who has attacked me and others as wondering what Kelly has left, it appears BB also is not sure and has structured the contract protecting the team.



    well it's very similar to the Jones and Wilson type of deals. If they can stay healthy and perform in camp then it's a win for the team and they get cheaper options that can perform but they also set themselves up that if they don't perform they can cut them with little finacial burden. Good cap management, however, it's completely boom or bust as for player management. If these guys work out it's a temporary boom for a couple years if they bust then it doesn't hurt them cap wise but it does hurt them talent wise passing over younger or more stable options. It's the Pats MO compared to other teams. They are more willing to risk talent then finacial flexibility, which with Brady they have to ability to mask if they fail on player analysis. Unfortunately for fans we care more about talent then finacials so when we see an offseason like last year we get angry the made the finacial flexibility over talent. Sometimes it pays off in the short term(Carter, Waters, Anderson) and sometimes it doesn't (entire 12' FA signings).

     
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    Re: Tommy Kelly Signed

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    Woz, are you hearing Armstead looking at as more a DE than DT?



    I'm not hearing anything but at 6'5" 300 pounds and after watching his highlights from up north I'd say this kid is a 3/4 end.  I think Wilfork, Kelly and him could be nice 3 man front across the front with Love and Deaderick provided depth.  All three of those guys as starters can hold up against the run and will get after the QB.

     
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