Tracing the Source of the Failed McDaniels Shotgun/Spread

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    Seriously Rusty who the F*** do you think you are Texaspat?  Quit spamming the f***ing board.
     
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    Laura Maroney 2 rushes for -3 yards.  I can't believe there were tools on this board that defended that clown.
     
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    So do you think the patriots should run the ball more? I'd be really interested to hear what you have to think about this- you know about the patriots running the ball- and whether they should run it more- what do you think?
     
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    throwing to reche caldwell, running it with laurence maroney, the offensive line's complete inability to handle a stunt or twist...don't you think there are other possibilities than the "failure" of an offensive philosophy?  What NFL offense do you currently find most dynamic, or most capable of winning?  I can virtually guarentee they employ extensive spread concepts..And besides, the Patriots use as much 2TE on the line as anyone in the league, that's not a spread concept.

    edit: serious questions here, not interested in sniping comments that you guys are getting into. 
     
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    [QUOTE]So, this goes back to 2006 and with the continued bashing of the Pats D, exclusively by the dopey media, and some fans here who aren't seeing it, I decided to look back the 2nd half of the 2006 AFC title game. Here is first drive in the 3rd qtr: New England Patriots at 8:13, (1st play from scrimmage 8:09) NWE IND 1st and 10 at NE 18 (8:09) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to R.Caldwell.     2nd and 10 at NE 18 (8:04) K.Faulk up the middle to NE 26 for 8 yards (R.Mathis).     3rd and 2 at NE 26 (7:23) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to H.Evans pushed ob at NE 26 for no gain (A.Bethea, J.David).     4th and 2 at NE 26 (7:04) T.Sauerbrun punts 58 yards to IND 16, Center-L.Paxton. T.Wilkins to IND 24 for 8 yards (P.Woods). Summary: Note the field position. Luckily, Sauerbrun blasted one 60 yards. The next drive was the infamous Ellis Hobbs faceguarding call, which handed Indy 7 points instead of the 3 they were about to settle for. 21-21... Here is our 2nd drive of the half. One thing I want to point out, is NE gets a short field, only 20 yards need after an Ellis Hobbs kick off return up the right flank. Remember it? New England Patriots at 4:00, (1st play from scrimmage 3:49) NWE IND 1st and 10 at IND 21 (3:49) L.Maroney left tackle to IND 22 for -1 yards (R.Brock, G.Brackett).     2nd and 11 at IND 22 (3:05) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to J.Gaffney to IND 5 for 17 yards (A.Bethea).     1st and 5 at IND 5 (2:24) C.Dillon left end to IND 6 for -1 yards (R.Morris).     2nd and 6 at IND 6 (1:42) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to R.Caldwell [R.Mathis].     3rd and 6 at IND 6 (1:35) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to J.Gaffney for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN [R.Mathis]. 27 21   Play Challenged by IND and Upheld. (Timeout #1 by IND at 01:25.) S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Paxton, Holder-M.Cassel. 28 21         Summary:  This is the call Underpants thought was incorrect, but it's a TD for Gaffney, with NE using two shotguns successfully. But, again, short field, so hard to judge. 28-21 NE.... Indy drives right down to tie it....Note how the quick score (not the offense's fault) has the D right back on the field. Not saying, but this sort of quick strike, feast or famine offense, is a detriment to even the fans most favorite players here on D (Harrison, Bruschi, Seymour, Vrabel, Samuel, etc). Here is NE's 3rd drive: New England Patriots at 13:24, (1st play from scrimmage 13:18) NWE IND 1st and 10 at NE 27 (13:18) T.Brady pass short right to B.Watson to NE 31 for 4 yards (G.Brackett).     2nd and 6 at NE 31 (12:41) L.Maroney up the middle to NE 29 for -2 yards (D.Freeney).     3rd and 8 at NE 29 (12:01) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to L.Maroney to NE 35 for 6 yards (R.Brock, R.Mathis). IND-B.Sanders was injured during the play.     4th and 2 at NE 35 (11:19) T.Sauerbrun punts 59 yards to IND 6, Center-L.Paxton. T.Wilkins to IND 22 for 16 yards (P.Woods, D.Graham). Summary: Elapsed time?  2 minutes, including the punt.  2 passes, 1 Shotgun formation.  Sauerbrun yet again pins Indy deep to at least help out. NE's D holds. 3 and out for Indy, Troy returns the punt to our own 42. Here is our 4th drive, with 10 minutes to go in the game: New England Patriots at 10:26 NWE IND 1st and 10 at IND 43 (10:26) T.Brady pass short right to R.Caldwell to IND 27 for 16 yards (B.Sanders).     1st and 10 at IND 27 (9:42) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to J.Gaffney to IND 13 for 14 yards (K.Hayden).     1st and 10 at IND 13 (8:59) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to T.Brown to IND 6 for 7 yards (K.Hayden, B.Sanders).       PENALTY on NE-J.Gaffney, Illegal Shift, 5 yards, enforced at IND 13 - No Play.     1st and 15 at IND 18 (8:38) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to R.Caldwell [G.Brackett].     2nd and 15 at IND 18 (8:34) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to H.Evans to IND 10 for 8 yards (R.Morris, C.June).     3rd and 7 at IND 10 (7:50) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to R.Caldwell.     4th and 7 at IND 10 (7:45) S.Gostkowski 28 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-L.Paxton, Holder-M.Cassel. 31 28   S.Gostkowski kicks 60 yards from NE 30 to IND 10. T.Wilkins to IND 23 for 13 yards (R.Baker).     DRIVE TOTALS: NE 31 IND 28, 6 plays, 33 yards, 2:44 drive, 7:18 elapsed Summary: Good drive, good time elapsed, but the obvious element is the 3 points only with the FG. Indy then drives with the key play, a busted 52 yard pass play down the  middle to Dallas Clark. That's on the D there and a nice play by Indy. Indy then kicks a FG, so NE's D essentially holds on to at least keep them out of the end zone. Here is NE's 5th total drive of the second half: New England Patriots at 5:31, (1st play from scrimmage 5:23) NWE IND 1st and 10 at NE 46 (5:23) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep right to D.Graham to IND 29 for 25 yards (G.Brackett).     1st and 10 at IND 29 (4:39) T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to J.Gaffney.     2nd and 10 at IND 29 (4:33) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to D.Graham (A.Bethea).     3rd and 10 at IND 29 (4:29) (Shotgun) H.Evans right tackle to IND 25 for 4 yards (G.Brackett).     4th and 6 at IND 25 (3:53) S.Gostkowski 43 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-L.Paxton, Holder-M.Cassel. 34 31   S.Gostkowski kicks 70 yards from NE 30 to end zone, Touchback. Summary: Ellis Hobbs strikes again giving our offense field position at our own 46 where we only end up with another FG. Elapsed time? 1:42. Yup. YOu read that right. Our offense sets up shop at the 46 of NE and we take 1:42 off the clock? Umm, unacceptable. Take note of the shotguns.  3 out of the only 4 plays on the drive, were in the shotgun, with the last one yet again (obviously) stopping the clock due to the incompletion. So, on 5 drives, THREE of em with GREAT field position, we only score 1 TD in the second half. Here's the 3rd great starting positon: 1st and 10 at NE 40 (3:22) PENALTY on NE-H.Evans, Offensive 12 On-field, 5 yards, enforced at NE 40 - No Play.     1st and 15 at NE 35 (3:22) T.Brady pass short right to R.Caldwell to NE 42 for 7 yards (M.Jackson).     2nd and 8 at NE 42 (2:39) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to B.Watson to NE 46 for 4 yards (A.Bethea, J.David).       Timeout #2 by IND at 02:30.     3rd and 4 at NE 46 (2:30) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to T.Brown (B.Sanders).     4th and 4 at NE 46 (2:27) T.Sauerbrun punts 54 yards to end zone, Center-L.Paxton, Touchback. 2 Shotguns on this drive and yet again another 3 and out, putting our D back on the field yet again. This is the 6th drive and so far we only have 13 points out of those drives. The lone TD is an Ellis Hobbs kick off return, setting up great field position at the Indy 20. Sad.  It really is. All people wan tto talk about is how the Pats D blew a lead, but mix in some Polian Specials with the refs and failed opps by our offense, and it's a good recipe to lose on the road. Our offense simply fell asleep in the 4th qtr. Is it me or is this EXACTLY the same problems we see today, where our shotgun base spread, can't sustain drives, can't chew up clock, etc? Nope. It's not me.  It's the same high risk/high reward, flawed offense that works less than people realize. This flawed offense was masked in 2007 by Moss and Welker's additions here, but make no mistake, it's going to be incredibly tough for this team to win a SB without using their run game more and by not eliminating the ideology of the shotgun/spread as the base. Prosecution rests. This is the stuff that our friends Babe Parilli and his Brady Ballwashing Bandits here don't get, nor does Chris Gasper, Tony MAzz, Michea; Felger types. You simply can't be on the road, especially, having that D on the field so fast, over and over and over, all in a row like that. Run the ball in the first half.
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    You are like Rush Limbaugh.  And I mean that as an insult.
     
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    Re: Tracing the Source of the Failed McDaniels Shotgun/Spread

    The failure is in your title ...McDaniels ...!

    He stunk his first year 2005, Brady loses his first playoff game at Denver .

    He stunk his last year 2007, losing the SB . Totally outclassed by giants D strategy .  No adjustments , no answers. 14 Points .

    He demonstrated why an experienced OC is one of the most important members of a team .
     
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    Now, aside from hating on the best QB of his generation, you are hating on the best coach/gm of his generation?  Why? It all goes back to the guy in charge.  The absolute best leaders are not only are capable of of coordinating either side of the ball, evaluating talent, drafting well, understanding the finances and motivating the team, but they are intelligent enough to surround themselves with the best people available.  Obviously you can't do it all yourself.  If you choose a coordinator, a strength coach or cap guy who is clearly blowing it, what's he doing there.  The buck stops with the man in charge.  You are either on board with him and his methods, player and staff evaluations and his ability to make changes in systems and players that he feels are not working OR YOU ARE NOT.  You clearly are not. You can't give Bill credit for every positive thing that happens with this team or any other team he's been associated with and blame everyone else for the negatives.  
    If the shotgun offense of a coordinator that hasn't been around in a few years is the downfall of that team three years later, that is the fault of the head coach.
    If the offense that is generally in the tops of scoring, yards and first downs is the reason for a poor showing by the defense week after week, that falls on the guy in charge, the one that hires the coordinators and that has final say on his roster, the offensive and defensive schemes and the play calling. 

     

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