Re: trade deadline
posted at 10/10/2009 5:52 PM EDT
In Response to Re: trade deadline
In Response to Re: trade deadline : First, I hope I don't offend you... I tend to come off as more polite when talking in person - a lot of communication is body language, which is lost on these boards. Second, I try to keep my responses general so that they apply to everyone, but I was mostly responding to you. A lot of the posts on here are so confusing that I can't configure a response. Your point seems straightforward enough, so I'll try to put something together. My main point is that I don't think OTHER teams think highly enough of Sanders to trade something significant for him. Also, if they're not going to trade something significant for him, then I think he has more value continuing to do his job than anything you could get in return. Also, from my experience, playing zone is a COMPLETELY different mentality than playing man-to-man. The footwork is different, the reads are more complicated, and the importance of continuity among the personnel playing the zones is essential. You can't put a price on the fact that Sanders has been our starting safety for the past two years, which means everybody around him knows exactly what he's doing and when. I remember when I was playing OLB and I had flats zone and it was like starting from day one in training camp with regards to knowing whether guys around me would pick up certain routes or not and when. Same goes for knowing if the middle linebackers were going to pick the guy up. Naturally, priority goes to the deepest route, but we've already seen McGowan get burned against the Jets, while Guyton got lured into following the tight end on an out while McGahee snuck over the middle to score a touchdown during the Ravens game. To illustrate my point, Scenario: two eligible on my side of the field. I'm OLB. We're in Cover 3, I have flats, corner has deep outside, middle linebackers have middle of the field, safety high and deep. Outside man runs a fade, inside man runs a curl. I split the difference with priority on the deeper route while bumping the inside man. Questions I have: when is the corner going to pick up the outside man running hard on the outside? Does he expect me to drop underneath the route if turns out it's a curl? How long do I have to keep backpedaling hard if it's a fade before I know the corner will pick him up? What kind of cushion does he usually give? When will the middle linebackers drop off of their initial read to cover the inside guy? And I discovered that everything changes when the big lights go on. You find out that guys will do things differently than they did in practice, miss some assignments, get places faster when the adrenaline's pumping... Continuity is excellent when you can get it. So is predictability with regards to knowing the guy will simply do his assignment (like Sanders). If Chung was ready, I think he'd already be playing more often (and he still might). If Merriweather was ready to be leader of the secondary and Chung was ready to step in and play, then I think Sanders would already be gone (and probably to Denver or Kansas City because they understand his value more). You say you trust the people making decisions, and they've decided that Chung hasn't earned playing time yet. I think that says everything I need to know right now. We'll see if that changes tomorrow (although I don't think it will because Graham is slower and can be covered by a linebacker, so I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see much of McGowan). And Harrison had 30 sacks and 30 interceptions. McGowan has one forced fumble and one fumble recovered. No interceptions. One hit on the quarterback....
Posted by NickC1188
Nick, I hope I don't offend you either, I actually tend to come off as an a55 hole in person. That's what happens when you grow up in a house with 6 males and 1 female. Anyway, to start off I think your stats comparison between McGowan and Harrison is a bit off. You took Rodney's 15 year career stats and McGowan's 1 season and preseason with the Patriots stats. A little biased. But ok I agree with you McGowan's full career stats are not that impressive partly because he has been oft injured. This is a big downside to his game that I have thought about but have failed to mention. His play so far unlike his stats are impressive though. He does seem to be involved in a lot of plays on the defensive side of the ball so far you must admit. I agree Chung is not there yet in terms of experience and knowledge of the system, but the talking heads all seem to agree he has the physical tools to be a good Safety. Both as a in the box helping on run support and as a coverage guy. Also to comment on your view of Sanders knowing where guys should be and when guys should break off on zone coverages, you said yourself he is the only constant in the secondary over the last two years. With that line of thinking McGowan has as much playing time with our two starting corners, Bodden and Springs who are both brand new to the Patriots system this year...
I guess all I am trying to say is I think that after this season if McGowan plays like he has been all year I think he gets the nod over Sanders because I believe his potential play making ability, his game changing type play is better than Sanders'. At that point I believe Merriweather will be known to other teams' fans as being a playmaker. And hopefully Chung will make that jump from rookie to sophmore that is so important. It seems like a lot has to fall into place for this to happen but it is all very realistic, no? So, if that happens we have two very good safeties in Merriweather, who assumes Sanders' role as leader of secondary and centerfielder, McGowan as the run stuffer and playmaker closer to the line of scrimmage and hopefully one second year safety looking to make that jump into the starting rotation in Chung. So where does that leave Sanders? I believe and this is just one guy's opinion, is outside looking in. So I think a move to KC or Denver like I stated in my original post is a possibility. The reason that I kinda started out as saying by trade deadline is because I was looking probably way too far into the future.
Sanders 59 games - 5 INT - 1 FF - 3 FR
McGowan 29 games - 2 INT - 2 FF - 2 FR