True analysis of Brady's poor throw (and I ain't talkin the safety)

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    It's a sad day when a Colts fan nails it while others have their ruby glasses on
     
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    See, the real problem with the whole thing is that Wes came out and said 'I shoulda had it'. Normally Tom would have then come back with 'I tried to put the ball in a good place, away from the defenders. It threw it a little high and outside, and Wes made a great play just to get to the ball. We just missed hitting a big play there'. End of discussion. But by the time Tom got out of the shower, Gizzy had already gone on her 'its not my husbands fault...' hissy fit, which Tom was apprised of before he met the media. In trying to keep the peace at home for the next 6 months, he couldn't come out and say 'Gizzy was wrong'...
     
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    I wonder if WW and Brady would have had a better chance at completing a 5 to 10 yard route as opposed to throwing the ball 28 yards in the air on 2nd down with a 2pt lead and only 4 minutes left???
     
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    the ball hit him on the hands, thats good enough.

    UD6 please go to teh broncos forum, or the colts forum, or which ever horse you are a fan of.
     
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    In Response to Re: True analysis of Brady's poor throw (and I ain't talkin the safety) : I thought that too.  Whoever was the wideout next to welker was going to get his 4-5 yds.  That said, it was 2nd and 11.  Posted by UD6
    3rd and 5 is easier to convert then 3rd and 11. Almost as important is that the clock continues to run down if we complete a 5 yard high % passing play. If we take off another 80 seconds of game clock on 2nd and 3rd down then the Giants are under pressure to get down field quicker.
     
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    In response to "Re: True analysis of Brady's poor throw (and I ain't talkin the safety)": 3rd and 5 is easier to convert then 3rd and 11. Almost as important is that the clock continues to run down if we complete a 5 yard high % passing play. If we take off another 80 seconds of game clock on 2nd and 3rd down then the Giants are under pressure to get down field quicker.
    Posted by TrueChamp


    The pats haven't played that kind of football for a while now.  Whatever the situation, it's empty backfield, shotgun.
     
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    In Response to Re: True analysis of Brady's poor throw (and I ain't talkin the safety):
     EVEN WORSE IF YOU WATCH Branch? is wide open standing two yards from the first down marker no one around him,easy catch easy first down  easiest play of the game.
    Posted by sod11


    Branch put on a nice move and it would have been an easy Brady to Branch sideline pass that we have seen many times, but he looks a lot more open then he really was because the Cb covering him leaves to chase down WW as the ball was already in the air. I think that should have been the 1st option with hernandez being option 2 as a LB had to pick him up and we know who wins that battle. A 28 yard pass to our 5ft8 receiver probably should have been the 3rd or 4rth option.....or then again, he shouldn't have been running that route at all.
     
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    "stunning to see him miss that one" - Collinsworth But let's listen to the Colts' troll instead.
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    I doubt Collinsworth could have ever caught that pass, even in his prime.  He knows WW can make some crazy catches and while not many receivers would have caught that one, he thinks WW could have.  Thats fair, still doesn't take away from the fact that it was a poorly thrown ball.  Hit WW in stride and they would have been inside the 15.
     
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    You keep,saying Welker had to accomplish great feats of acrobatics to make the catch. I have suggested to you before that you find a friend and try turning to catch a ball. It's incredibly easy, it's done all all levels of football and seen in nearly every NFL game. Heck, it's harder to catch a ball over your shoulder because you can't see both your hand and the ball at the same time (why little league coaches tell kids to get in front of the ball). Welker just messed up. I'm just simply amazed that there are people that think that would be a stunning catch. That would not make the top ten plays, it was routine- had he caught it. It's like I'm standing in a group of people who've seen a bicycle for the first time and are amazed it doesn't fall over on its side. It's only amazing if you've never tried it- try it. I'm not kidding- actually try a turning catch- you'll be simply shocked at the minimal level of coordination required.
     
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    Another whining piece of BS by Babe (it's never Brady's fault ) the Baby
     
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    In Response to Re: True analysis of Brady's poor throw (and I ain't talkin the safety) : Shen, you did say this before (did you cut and paste), but I disagree with you in the case of the brady throw.  As I noted earlier.  Most back shoulder throws are short of the receiver's momentum allowing him to slow his progression in order to get to the ball.  Additionally, most back shoulder throws are planned.  IMO, neither of those things happened on this play.  Welker was at full speed and turned to the inside shoulder and looking for the ball there.  Most back shoulder throws are like comeback routes.  The receiver "shows" a fly route (to get the defender to turn his hips and run) only to then dig and find the ball on his back shoulder.  In Welker's case he was continuing his downfield route when he had to react to the throw not just over his outside shoulder but also above and beyond his easy reach.  It's not just the backside turn (which are routes I see pats receivers, particularly Welker run all of the time), it's Welker's requirement in his turn to also leap and fully extend to get his hands to the ball.  Much easier said than done, and not at all routine.  Yes, it would have been harder for Welker to have turned upfield (losing sight of the ball) and turning back the other way to find the ball and appropriately adjust the route to get to it.  Welker did (imo) the only thing he could have done to make a play on the ball.  I've played alot of football in my life and a lot of baseball where the wind and action on a ball takes to a different direction than where it was hit.  If Brady's ball had a little less on it, I would agree that the catch would have been routine.  Welker, however, was fully extended and in the air and made an incredible effort just to get to the ball.  All of that said, if a professional receiver gets both hands on the ball, he should catch it.  Further, Brady had the opportunity to throw a much better ball than he did to an open receiver. Posted by UD6
    Watch the video and tell me honestly. Is there a back shoulder or is Welker running a path directly in line with the ball?
     
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