Ty Law In Pats Hall

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    I want to say I'm happy to see him in there and think he deserves to be in there BUT, I feel Ray Clayborn should have gotten in there first. For you younger folks you have no idea what kind of corner Ray was, 12 years and during all 12 of those years QB's would not toss the ball to a receiver he was covering. He started a patriot and ended his career as a patriot. There are a lot of players from the late 70's through the mid 80's that I fear will not make the Hall due to the age of the voters and that is a real shame.

     
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    I agree that Raymond Clayborn should have been in the hall before now, just not at Ty's expense.

    Mike Haynes and Raymond Clayborn were the best tandem of corners the Patriots have ever had.

     
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    He started a patriot and ended his career as a patriot. 

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    Actually, not to quibble, but he actually finished his career in Cleveland. Nevertheless, I agree with you. Names that come to mind immediately include Russ Francis, Tim Fox, and perhaps Rich Camarillo. 

     
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    I agree with you guys regarding Clayborn…. Clayborn IMHO got overshadowed some by Haynes and doesn't get the accolades he deserves.

     
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    I want to say I'm happy to see him in there and think he deserves to be in there BUT, I feel Ray Clayborn should have gotten in there first. For you younger folks you have no idea what kind of corner Ray was, 12 years and during all 12 of those years QB's would not toss the ball to a receiver he was covering. He started a patriot and ended his career as a patriot. There are a lot of players from the late 70's through the mid 80's that I fear will not make the Hall due to the age of the voters and that is a real shame.




    To be fair, Law is a HOFer, IMO. Clayborn is not. I feel that is the clear difference between the two.  I think Clayborn will get in to the Pats HOF, but he needs to wait. The entire reason why this Pats Hall of Fame exists is because of Kraft and Bill Belichick. 


    Clayborn isn't really connected to what Kraft and BB have placed here.   Not a knock on him, and I very much remember he and then Lippett with what they did after Haynes left in '83.  I realized at the time how good he was. He was a great technician at the position. The entire '85 title game is on You Tube and he has a stellar game, replete with a textbook break up on Duper in the 4th qtr.


    But, he's not Law, hence he shouldn't go in ahead of Law. 


    Ty Law is the best CB I've seen outside of Deion Sanders in my lifetime. That's how good Law was. He was smarter than everyone else on the field and was the premier CB for almost a decade once Deion Sanders stepped aside.


    Others include Mike Haynes, Darrell Green, I always felt Albert Lewis was incredibly underrated from the 1980s and into the 1990s, and maybe someone like an Aneas Williams.  Ronde Barber is another. Slam dunk HOFer, IMO. Great player.


    Law was so consistent, and when tested, he'd make you pay. He played man and zone at a top level and was a master at using the sidelines to his advantage, both vs the pass and run.  That's a mental thing. A gift. THat cannot be taught.  A pure CB.


    I would be stunned if he wasn't in the NFL HOF with Rodney Harrison, Vinatieri and Brady.  I still feel Bruschi is right there in the NFL HOF discussion because his numbers are actually superior to Nick Bunocuonti's. 


    It's sort of silly how these HOFs use these stupid arguments to somehow discount how great some of these players were. The Baseball HOF is the worst. I like the NHL. They are very rational about it. If you are memorable for about a decade, you get in. That's how it should be.


    Willie needs to go next, and then Faulk, and then Clayborn. I'd like to see Matt Light go in after that.  He was easily a top 3 LT in the entire NFL for a decade protecting Brady's blindside and that happened since day 1 when he was a rookie. That should not be forgotten.


    Heck, even someone like Bruce Armstrong should get in. He was a rock and it was during the worst period of this franchise's history.


     

     
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    Congratulations to Ty!

    He once got Robert Kraft to dance in Government Center!

    He helped knock the TD out of Torry Holt! (Holt wore 88 in SB36...switched to 81 after)

    Ty Law, the true MVP of Super Bowl 36 (he put 6 on the board all by his lonesome). Brady had 16 completions for 145 yards and 1 td. Ty Law had 1 td from CB. That last drive was impressive, but Law was the MVP.

     
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    Yessir. He was following the top WR around way before Revis was thought of. Revis' whole game is patterned after Ty Law. Ty Law is part of the reason Revis is here now.

    I will be heading up to Gillette on Friday to show my support and attend stadium practice. Should be a fun night.

     

    "A lot of bookies are probably mad at us right now, but we don't give a damn, ... We're the champs!!"

    Ty Law after his team defeated the Rams in SB 36.

     
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    everyone should try and come out on Friday to support Ty into the Pats HOF, and its at no charge. I went to Tedy's and it was awesome.

    just saying, Ty was great, but Revis is better...Deion #1, Revis #2, Haynes #3. Ty falls into that #4 thru #10 range.

     
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    everyone should try and come out on Friday to support Ty into the Pats HOF, and its at no charge. I went to Tedy's and it was awesome.

    just saying, Ty was great, but Revis is better...Deion #1, Revis #2, Haynes #3. Ty falls into that #4 thru #10 range.

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    Last year Tedy's  speech was awesome. He was very animated and told a great story. Even Gil was very good with his induction speech.

    Wish I could be there this year but unfortunately I will be traveling.

     

     
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    everyone should try and come out on Friday to support Ty into the Pats HOF, and its at no charge. I went to Tedy's and it was awesome.

    just saying, Ty was great, but Revis is better...Deion #1, Revis #2, Haynes #3. Ty falls into that #4 thru #10 range.

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    Last year Tedy's  speech was awesome. He was very animated and told a great story. Even Gil was very good with his induction speech.

    Wish I could be there this year but unfortunately I will be traveling.

     

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    What? Traveling for business? The immature super fan, tfb12 thinks you should cancel your professional business responsibilities for that.

     

     
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    Yessir. He was following the top WR around way before Revis was thought of. Revis' whole game is patterned after Ty Law. Ty Law is part of the reason Revis is here now.

    I will be heading up to Gillette on Friday to show my support and attend stadium practice. Should be a fun night.

     

    "A lot of bookies are probably mad at us right now, but we don't give a damn, ... We're the champs!!"

    Ty Law after his team defeated the Rams in SB 36.

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    Agreed.  Personally, i think revis has a long way to go to try to match law's career.

     

     
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    Yessir. He was following the top WR around way before Revis was thought of. Revis' whole game is patterned after Ty Law. Ty Law is part of the reason Revis is here now.

    I will be heading up to Gillette on Friday to show my support and attend stadium practice. Should be a fun night.

     

    "A lot of bookies are probably mad at us right now, but we don't give a damn, ... We're the champs!!"

    Ty Law after his team defeated the Rams in SB 36.

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    I think that Deion and Revis brought a much higher level of coverage than Ty did. They were able to take out the opposintg #1 for the game. Ty never did that. Ty a better tackler, but still cant put him in that op 3 IMO

     
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    Congratulations to Ty!

    He once got Robert Kraft to dance in Government Center!

    He helped knock the TD out of Torry Holt! (Holt wore 88 in SB36...switched to 81 after)

    Ty Law, the true MVP of Super Bowl 36 (he put 6 on the board all by his lonesome). Brady had 16 completions for 145 yards and 1 td. Ty Law had 1 td from CB. That last drive was impressive, but Law was the MVP.

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    Yup!

     
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    Yessir. He was following the top WR around way before Revis was thought of. Revis' whole game is patterned after Ty Law. Ty Law is part of the reason Revis is here now.


    I will be heading up to Gillette on Friday to show my support and attend stadium practice. Should be a fun night.


     


    "A lot of bookies are probably mad at us right now, but we don't give a damn, ... We're the champs!!"


    Ty Law after his team defeated the Rams in SB 36.




    I think that Deion and Revis brought a much higher level of coverage than Ty did. They were able to take out the opposintg #1 for the game. Ty never did that. Ty a better tackler, but still cant put him in that op 3 IMO


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    I believe Revis and Deion were a little better at pure coverage and sticking to your man. Revis and Ty are more alike than you think and Yes TY did absolutely cover the best WR for most his career here. Obvisously he was used differently with Parcells, Carrol, BB but in 97,98,99 he was on top of his game and his coming out party was when he shut down Michael Irving. Both He and Revis used strength to beat up opponents at the LOS, I recall him saying when he was gassed, he would just stone the WR at the line to catch his breath. The Play would be over right away. What I will say makes Ty better than Revis at the moment is his 3 rings and his ability to always make plays in the clutch.


    Revis was more of a lockdown guy in terms of giving up less and Ty would always be good for an early illegal contact or whatever to test the waters but he went a whole year and half without giving up a TD pass.


    Maybe you forgot but Ty def. did spend some years following around the best WR. Revis is not the even close to being the 1st to do it.

     
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    Yessir. He was following the top WR around way before Revis was thought of. Revis' whole game is patterned after Ty Law. Ty Law is part of the reason Revis is here now.

     

    I will be heading up to Gillette on Friday to show my support and attend stadium practice. Should be a fun night.

     

     

     

    "A lot of bookies are probably mad at us right now, but we don't give a damn, ... We're the champs!!"

     

    Ty Law after his team defeated the Rams in SB 36.

     

     

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    I think that Deion and Revis brought a much higher level of coverage than Ty did. They were able to take out the opposintg #1 for the game. Ty never did that. Ty a better tackler, but still cant put him in that op 3 IMO

     

     

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    I believe Revis and Deion were a little better at pure coverage and sticking to your man. Revis and Ty are more alike than you think and Yes TY did absolutely cover the best WR for most his career here. Obvisously he was used differently with Parcells, Carrol, BB but in 97,98,99 he was on top of his game and his coming out party was when he shut down Michael Irving. Both He and Revis used strength to beat up opponents at the LOS, I recall him saying when he was gassed, he would just stone the WR at the line to catch his breath. The Play would be over right away. What I will say makes Ty better than Revis at the moment is his 3 rings and his ability to always make plays in the clutch.

     

    Revis was more of a lockdown guy in terms of giving up less and Ty would always be good for an early illegal contact or whatever to test the waters but he went a whole year and half without giving up a TD pass.

     

    Maybe you forgot but Ty def. did spend some years following around the best WR. Revis is not the even close to being the 1st to do it.

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    well I did not say that Revis was the first. I simply said he was the 2nd best after Deion. Thats no put down to Ty, he simply was not as good as Deion or Revis when it comes to coverage. Ty was great, and one of the very, very best CB's ever, but he is not top 3

     
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    Yessir. He was following the top WR around way before Revis was thought of. Revis' whole game is patterned after Ty Law. Ty Law is part of the reason Revis is here now.

     

    I will be heading up to Gillette on Friday to show my support and attend stadium practice. Should be a fun night.

     

     

     

    "A lot of bookies are probably mad at us right now, but we don't give a damn, ... We're the champs!!"

     

    Ty Law after his team defeated the Rams in SB 36.

     

     

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    I think that Deion and Revis brought a much higher level of coverage than Ty did. They were able to take out the opposintg #1 for the game. Ty never did that. Ty a better tackler, but still cant put him in that op 3 IMO

     

     

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    I believe Revis and Deion were a little better at pure coverage and sticking to your man. Revis and Ty are more alike than you think and Yes TY did absolutely cover the best WR for most his career here. Obvisously he was used differently with Parcells, Carrol, BB but in 97,98,99 he was on top of his game and his coming out party was when he shut down Michael Irving. Both He and Revis used strength to beat up opponents at the LOS, I recall him saying when he was gassed, he would just stone the WR at the line to catch his breath. The Play would be over right away. What I will say makes Ty better than Revis at the moment is his 3 rings and his ability to always make plays in the clutch.

     

    Revis was more of a lockdown guy in terms of giving up less and Ty would always be good for an early illegal contact or whatever to test the waters but he went a whole year and half without giving up a TD pass.

     

    Maybe you forgot but Ty def. did spend some years following around the best WR. Revis is not the even close to being the 1st to do it.

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    well I did not say that Revis was the first. I simply said he was the 2nd best after Deion. Thats no put down to Ty, he simply was not as good as Deion or Revis when it comes to coverage. Ty was great, and one of the very, very best CB's ever, but he is not top 3

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    No, we agree on that. We disagree that he never followed the # 1 WR.

     
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    Yessir. He was following the top WR around way before Revis was thought of. Revis' whole game is patterned after Ty Law. Ty Law is part of the reason Revis is here now.

     

    I will be heading up to Gillette on Friday to show my support and attend stadium practice. Should be a fun night.

     

     

     

    "A lot of bookies are probably mad at us right now, but we don't give a damn, ... We're the champs!!"

     

    Ty Law after his team defeated the Rams in SB 36.

     

     

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    I think that Deion and Revis brought a much higher level of coverage than Ty did. They were able to take out the opposintg #1 for the game. Ty never did that. Ty a better tackler, but still cant put him in that op 3 IMO

     

     

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    I believe Revis and Deion were a little better at pure coverage and sticking to your man. Revis and Ty are more alike than you think and Yes TY did absolutely cover the best WR for most his career here. Obvisously he was used differently with Parcells, Carrol, BB but in 97,98,99 he was on top of his game and his coming out party was when he shut down Michael Irving. Both He and Revis used strength to beat up opponents at the LOS, I recall him saying when he was gassed, he would just stone the WR at the line to catch his breath. The Play would be over right away. What I will say makes Ty better than Revis at the moment is his 3 rings and his ability to always make plays in the clutch.

     

    Revis was more of a lockdown guy in terms of giving up less and Ty would always be good for an early illegal contact or whatever to test the waters but he went a whole year and half without giving up a TD pass.

     

    Maybe you forgot but Ty def. did spend some years following around the best WR. Revis is not the even close to being the 1st to do it.

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    well I did not say that Revis was the first. I simply said he was the 2nd best after Deion. Thats no put down to Ty, he simply was not as good as Deion or Revis when it comes to coverage. Ty was great, and one of the very, very best CB's ever, but he is not top 3

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    No, we agree on that. We disagree that he never followed the # 1 WR.

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    Maybe I am mistaken, but I always recall Ty playing only 1 side of the field?

     
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    Yessir. He was following the top WR around way before Revis was thought of. Revis' whole game is patterned after Ty Law. Ty Law is part of the reason Revis is here now.

     

    I will be heading up to Gillette on Friday to show my support and attend stadium practice. Should be a fun night.

     

     

     

    "A lot of bookies are probably mad at us right now, but we don't give a damn, ... We're the champs!!"

     

    Ty Law after his team defeated the Rams in SB 36.

     

     

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    I think that Deion and Revis brought a much higher level of coverage than Ty did. They were able to take out the opposintg #1 for the game. Ty never did that. Ty a better tackler, but still cant put him in that op 3 IMO

     

     

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    I believe Revis and Deion were a little better at pure coverage and sticking to your man. Revis and Ty are more alike than you think and Yes TY did absolutely cover the best WR for most his career here. Obvisously he was used differently with Parcells, Carrol, BB but in 97,98,99 he was on top of his game and his coming out party was when he shut down Michael Irving. Both He and Revis used strength to beat up opponents at the LOS, I recall him saying when he was gassed, he would just stone the WR at the line to catch his breath. The Play would be over right away. What I will say makes Ty better than Revis at the moment is his 3 rings and his ability to always make plays in the clutch.

     

    Revis was more of a lockdown guy in terms of giving up less and Ty would always be good for an early illegal contact or whatever to test the waters but he went a whole year and half without giving up a TD pass.

     

    Maybe you forgot but Ty def. did spend some years following around the best WR. Revis is not the even close to being the 1st to do it.

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    well I did not say that Revis was the first. I simply said he was the 2nd best after Deion. Thats no put down to Ty, he simply was not as good as Deion or Revis when it comes to coverage. Ty was great, and one of the very, very best CB's ever, but he is not top 3

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    No, we agree on that. We disagree that he never followed the # 1 WR.

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    Maybe I am mistaken, but I always recall Ty playing only 1 side of the field?

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    IN 2001 and 2003, 2 SB years, he mainly stayed to his side. While playing for Parcells and Carrol, he used to follow the guy around wherever they went. He used to lock up big guys like Eric Moulds but struggle with little ones like Wayne Chrebet but always took the teams best WR. Thats another edge I give to Revis. He seems to be able to cover bigger and smaller guys just the same.

     

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