Ty Warren placed on Injured Reserve

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    Re: Ty Warren placed on Injured Reserve

    As the motto goes:

    Next man up.

    Warren was a good contributor, but he can be replaced. No one on this team is greater than the team itself.

    Wright did a good job last night, and there are plenty of others that could fill in. We have a deep D-line with Lewis, Pryor, Brace, Warren, Fork, Wright....

    All of those guys other than Brace have shown the ability to make an impact.

    I'm guessing that it will be Wright in place of Ty, with Gerard on the other end position. Pryor may also see some time at DE.

    But the fact of the matter is this:

    No one player is greater than this team, and we have plenty of back-ups that can get the job done, Mike Wright showed that last night.
     
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    I don't know why everyone is making a fuss all of a sudden.

    It was well known that Ty had an injury that would keep him out an extended period of time.

    Now all of the sudden, we're told the same thing but in a slighty different way, and we decide to freak out? What gives....?

    The defense last night didn't have Ty Warren, and we were fine against the run - in fact, we looked a lot better than last year!

    Mike Wright is a perfect fit for a 3-4 DE position. He's 6-4 and weighs 295. Warren is only slightly larger, coming in at 6-5 300.

    Yes, Wright has been used as a pass-rusher, but he's a good player and he'll make the necessary technique adjustment to play DE in the 3-4.

    Fact of the matter is this - we have no drop off in the pass-rush, and we have no drop off in the running game. Wright is a great player and he'll play just as well as Warren has - he proved that last night.

    Plus, Burgess is coming back, and he will boost this pass-rush, without a doubt.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ty Warren placed on Injured Reserve:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ty Warren placed on Injured Reserve : No, its not.  It's a blow due to depth and a known commodity, but it's not a major blow especially if they run more 4-3. Ty Warren was not conistent last year at all. He and Adalius were pretty weak on the edge. Mayo and Guyton were left to pick up the scraps of RBs blowing right through the line. Gerard showed me more last night than Ty did all last year. It's not his fault, he was dinged up throughout.
    Posted by russgriswold[/QUOTE]

    They can't run a 43. Spikes runs a 40 in 5 seconds, Banta-Cain probably runs a 40 in 4.7 and Burgess is even slower. The only LB they could play 43 OLB is Guyton and we don't know what's wrong with him. 
     
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    Here, take a look at Wright on this play:

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010081252/2010/PRE1/saints@patriots/recap/full-story#tab:watch

    Go to the 1:50 mark and check out how Wright sets the edge and mauls his guy backwards.

    This is something we haven't seen from Ty. He's held his ground, but he hasn't pushed his guy back - Mike has shown that he can do that.

    Again, this isn't a huge drop-off. We go from a 6-5 300 guy to a 6-4 295 guy. Not a big difference. The only adjsutment will be technique wise.
     
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    I agree with Russ.

    What I saw from Gerard Warren and Mike Wright last night was more than I've seen from Ty for the past 2 seasons.

    Gerard occupied blockers and clogged gaps in the running game, but he also pushed the pocket in the pass-rush.

    Wright set the edge well and he had a nose for getting off blocks, but also can push guys when he needs to.

    All we're losing is depth and a house-hold name - nothing more than that. The quality of play with Mike and Gerard at DE will not drop-off from when Ty was playing.
     
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    [QUOTE]Just because the pass rush looked good in a pre season game does not mean the issue is solved. In the pre season the O line will not use all their protection schemes and what not. The game plan is vanilla. Now of course they were playing hard enough to not let Brees get hurt but you cant judge the pass rush off a pre season game. We will know once the real games start whether we have it or not.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life[/QUOTE]

    Too true.  W/ Warren on IR and Burgess back on the roster, our pass rush still has gotten "worse" on paper....

    The Pats don't have much choice to find another DE at this point.

     
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    How well is Burgess going to play and help this team not being in camp and teeter tottering with the idea of retirement?  Is he going to be playing his heart out on the field when he's not sure if he wan't to play?

    Depth problem is an issue now.

    To say that Warren being out isn't that big of deal is crazy. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ty Warren placed on Injured Reserve : The problem is that at "this point" we are back to square one in some respects post Seymour. We were looking at a solid and most likely solidified Wilfork , Warrenx2. Lets say Warren handles other Warrens duties quit admirably, probably not that difficult since Ty had been playing hurt for a year and a half and many (not you) seem to forget how good he played when healthy. So that spot could be an upgrade. However that leaves us, at this point, where we left off in the playoffs. Unless Lewis steps up, he may yet. Pryor makes a huge leap, but he's more a nose than an end cause he does not have the length. Deaderick or Brace come out of no where or they get another not currently on the roster some how... One DE spot is a ?. I like Wright and Pryor but they are more like jarvis Green and good rushers and do not hold up well during "extended" play at end as starters. They wear down. At  least they certainly have in the past when having to fill that role for any length of time. Just my opinion
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]


    I agree. It is square one. But I think the improvements in other areas of the defense will make a big difference. Half of these players have another season under their belt, and the additions from this draft will help. Spikes alone will help on early downs in the run game. Plus (hope) Fork stays healthy. McCourty looks good. 

    I think a lot of this defense relies on how Spikes can progress, because his size offers what this defense lacked in the middle, and how the exterior rush sorts itself out. 

     
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    Maybe he can get a masters degree this season.
     
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    RON BRACE WIlLL PASS THE CONDITIONING TEST AND BE OUR SAVIOUR AT DE- STARTING IN PLACE OF TY WARREN.

    lets keep dreaming
     
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    Brace is a second round pick,GW is a ten year guy, with the youth movement going on in the D,who knows? Brace is from Mass that played at BC so it would be nice if he came up huge.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ty Warren placed on Injured Reserve : It's not that crazy though.  If Gerard Warren can look as good as he did the other night and improve in the 3-4, that's going to be at least what Ty Warren was doing last year. Ty Warren and Jarvis Green were good players here with different styles, but neither were more than mediocre last year. Each battled injuries throughout the year and struggled performing.  Not trying to bash two Patriots who gave 100% here, but you couldn't have been thrilled with them last year on the edge.  I was hoping Ty Warren would come back and be the 2006 Warren, but that is not to be, and that's too bad. But, this is probably why BB brought in G. Warren, D. Lewis and hoped Brace would come along.  Anyone know what the deal with Brace is? Depth is an issue if no one else steps up.   Who knows, maybe Mike Wright can play 16 games as an every down 3-4 DE?  He;s never had to, but maybe this is the year he morphs into an Aaron Smith type with consistency.   We'll see. It's not as dire as it appears other than who becomes the back up on either side.
    Posted by russgriswold[/QUOTE]

    I rarely expect anything from rookies, but I expect that Spikes' ability to sort through trash, and stack and shed will have a far greater impact on the run defense than the loss of Warren. After that ... having Wright as an every down starter means more penetration into the backfield. And G. Warren looks the part all the way. I still think this defense is improved from last season. If this were Fork it would be a big reason to panic. It's not. 

     
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    The problem has more to do with a leadership void in this extremely young defense. Ty Warren started 92 of a possible 105 games since 2003. He wears 2 rings and has intangibles other then just stopping the run. He has been a staple on this line. This puts more pressure on Warren G and Mike Wright to stay healthy and produce. Leadership void was the scapegoat last year and this does nothing to help fill that hole.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned, Gerard showed me a lot more in last nights game than Ty did all last season.

    Mike Wright is also a big upgrade over Jarvis Green.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ty Warren placed on Injured Reserve:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ty Warren placed on Injured Reserve : I rarely expect anything from rookies, but I expect that Spikes' ability to sort through trash, and stack and shed will have a far greater impact on the run defense than the loss of Warren. After that ... having Wright as an every down starter means more penetration into the backfield. And G. Warren looks the part all the way. I still think this defense is improved from last season. If this were Fork it would be a big reason to panic. It's not. 
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    I have a slightly different feeling on this one, which is my slight concern. Wright is historically shown to be very good at that. However, that was kind of his role and was asked to do it situationally more often than not.

    If he plays as a starter fulltime I am assuming he's going to be asked to anchor down and tie up multiple blockers and as the game and multiple games go by I am worried he'll be spent and won't have those fresh legs to come in and give you that penetration in those situational roles that we are accustomed to seeing him in.

    Maybe someone else takes over his situational role.

    I agree with your other point that the over all improvement as a defensive unit as well as the added experience of the 2nd year players should help cover up any potential shortcomings at DE more than they were capable of doing last year.
     
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    [QUOTE]As far as I'm concerned, Gerard showed me a lot more in last nights game than Ty did all last season. Mike Wright is also a big upgrade over Jarvis Green.
    Posted by vertigho[/QUOTE]

    I am not starting an argument or fight but I am also not sure how you can make that assertion unless you think Pepper Johnson and BB are dumb.

    I believe if I am not mistaken that both Jarvis Green and Mike Wright have been on the team at the same time yet the coaches choice for the 1st man off the bench and #1 backup was always Jarvis Green and not Wright.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ty Warren placed on Injured Reserve : I am not starting an argument or fight but I am also not sure how you can make that assertion unless you think Pepper Johnson and BB are dumb. I believe if I am not mistaken that both Jarvis Green and Mike Wright have been on the team at the same time yet the coaches choice for the 1st man off the bench and #1 backup was always Jarvis Green and not Wright.
    Posted by Low-FB-IQ[/QUOTE]

    I'm pretty sure that Wright earned first man off the bench the last season.. I haven't checked the rep count, but last year he saw his time and was more effective. I think it has been three years since JG had the kind of production that MW had last season. That said, worrying about wear and tear is a legit concern. But I guess the depth of the line might help there slightly. 

     
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    In Response to Re: Ty Warren placed on Injured Reserve:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ty Warren placed on Injured Reserve : I'm pretty sure that Wright earned first man off the bench the last season.. I haven't checked the rep count, but last year he saw his time and was more effective. I think it has been three years since JG had the kind of production that MW had last season. That said, worrying about wear and tear is a legit concern. But I guess the depth of the line might help there slightly. 
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]


    You might be right but that just wasn't how i remembered it I guess. Here are the "basic" 2009 stats  for Jarvis and Mike.

    Player               G     GS    Solo    Assi     Sacks   Pass-knockdwn    FF
    Jarvis Green       13    12    21       15       1               0                0
    Mike Wight         16    9     25       10       5               2                1

    If I had to guess I would say Jarvis was still the first man off the bench and #1 backup last year because he started every game except the ones I believe he was injured. In 3 fewer games played he had 1 more combined total # of tackles than Wright. Wright was better at rushing the passer but that is my point i raised earlier in that I believe Jarvis' pass rush fell off the more he started and played because he was not fresh to be a pass rush specialist as he had been prior. I fear that will happen to Wright as well.

    I guess the bottom line and my point was simply that I am not sure I was following where the leap to "huge upgrade" came from.
     

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