Tyrann Mathieu

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    Tyrann Mathieu

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1592407-2013-nfl-draft-should-the-new-england-patriots-draft-tyrann-mathieu 

    What do you guys think?

     
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    It's a question of whether the Pats think he'll have problems going into the future. They've certainly put in the time this offseason on him to figure it out. As a player, he'd be great for the Pats. He can play any DB position well. He'd be a great special team performer. Really potentially an impact player.


    I'd love to have this pick made. He could be a great player in the Pats system.

     
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    Too small.  Pass.

     
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    Besides his personal offfield issues, do the Pats need another short slot CB who has not play competetive football for a year, when they just re-signed another short slot CB , for 16 millions dollars and 4 years, and when the greatest need is for an outside CB.

     

     
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    I'm not sold on this guy.  Lots of hype and no question he's got some ability but the off field stuff is a matter of concern.  I'm also not convinced that he can actually play every db position at the NFL level.

     
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    If Grimes is too small to play corner for the Pats as most on this board have opined, why can Mathieu who is actually smaller? 

    If the Pats want to play a style that jams the WR at the LOS, where does this leave Mathieu? 

    Arrington in the slot is listed at 200 pounds. Mathieu is listed at 174 pounds. 

    You want to spend a 7th on the guy and check him out, I can see it, but with this teams needs the #2 or # 3 is too valuable to take an on the field and off the field question like Mathieu

     
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    Agree. We don't need another small star corner. there is plenty of CBS to choose from in rou D's 2-4 where he could go that I would much rather have. And, they are all capable of playing outside where we really need the depth.

     
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    For what it's worth, Mathieu was 5-9 186 at the combine.

    I certainly don't want him in Rd 1 or 2, but see some value in Rd 3/early Day 3... kid has been a bigtime playmaker as both a CB and PR and would bring some of that Cortland Finnegan type edge to the field.

     

     
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    Okay MB...a late third might not be a bad place to grab him...however, if we are spending that pick,possibly on a corner, why not Logan Ryan out of Rutgers? Like his size, ball skills and overall, assuming we are looking for depth outside to spell talii, Dennard,ni think this kid fits the bill.

     
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    The way I look at is if Tyrann had played last year there would be no question he would be a top 5 maybe even top 3 CB in this years draft. So what he didnt play last year? The kid still has TONS of talent.

     
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    The way I look at is if Tyrann had played last year there would be no question he would be a top 5 maybe even top 3 CB in this years draft. So what he didnt play last year? The kid still has TONS of talent.



    Why do you think this? Not overly fast, lacks size, poor tackling. Immature, prior drug problems. 

    Many, many other CB' s have better size, speed and production on the field over this guy. 

    What are you basing your analysis on? 

     
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    The way I look at is if Tyrann had played last year there would be no question he would be a top 5 maybe even top 3 CB in this years draft. So what he didnt play last year? The kid still has TONS of talent.

     



    Why do you think this? Not overly fast, lacks size, poor tackling. Immature, prior drug problems. 

     

    Many, many other CB' s have better size, speed and production on the field over this guy. 

    What are you basing your analysis on? 



    Hes a play maker. Changes the game. Good Return man. Turn over machine. Can play anywhere in the secondary
     

    Heres what NFL.com says about him 

     

    STRENGTHS

     Fiesty turnover machine who lines up outside, in the slot and at safety when needed. Instinctual player with very good read-and-react ability, always seems to work his way into position to make a play on the ball. Does whatever it takes to make a stop, fights through blocks using hands and quickness, goes low or high and doesn’t let up after initial contact. Brings enough force despite his size to get ballcarriers off balance with a glancing blow. Constantly rips at the ball while making a tackle or when others have secured the stop. Fights for jump balls with taller receivers downfield. Regularly used as a blitzer due to his feel, quickness and tenacity. Very good vision and short-area quickness as a punt returner, can make the first man miss and cut back effectively against the grain. Will go outside if the space is there but also slalom through traffic up the field when necessary. Also has balance and strength to get through arm tackles. Will also be a strong tackler on coverage units if required.

    WEAKNESSES

     Mathieu’s issues with substance abuse will be the primary focus of NFL teams whenever he decides to pursue a career in professional football. Possesses below-average size for the position. Usually brings down ballcarriers of any size, NFL veterans might prove a bigger challenge. Quicker than fast, though his effort often masks average straight-line speed for his size. Must prove his ability to stay with larger receivers and tight end in man coverage, as they use their length advantage to separate and frame to shield him from the ball. Will take chances as a punt returner, grabbing the ball on a bounce or inside the 5-yard line.

     
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    The way I look at is if Tyrann had played last year there would be no question he would be a top 5 maybe even top 3 CB in this years draft. So what he didnt play last year? The kid still has TONS of talent.

     



    Why do you think this? Not overly fast, lacks size, poor tackling. Immature, prior drug problems. 

     

    Many, many other CB' s have better size, speed and production on the field over this guy. 

    What are you basing your analysis on? 

     



    Hes a play maker. Changes the game. Good Return man. Turn over machine. Can play anywhere in the secondary
     

     

    Heres what NFL.com says about him 

     

    STRENGTHS

     Fiesty turnover machine who lines up outside, in the slot and at safety when needed. Instinctual player with very good read-and-react ability, always seems to work his way into position to make a play on the ball. Does whatever it takes to make a stop, fights through blocks using hands and quickness, goes low or high and doesn’t let up after initial contact. Brings enough force despite his size to get ballcarriers off balance with a glancing blow. Constantly rips at the ball while making a tackle or when others have secured the stop. Fights for jump balls with taller receivers downfield. Regularly used as a blitzer due to his feel, quickness and tenacity. Very good vision and short-area quickness as a punt returner, can make the first man miss and cut back effectively against the grain. Will go outside if the space is there but also slalom through traffic up the field when necessary. Also has balance and strength to get through arm tackles. Will also be a strong tackler on coverage units if required.

    WEAKNESSES

     Mathieu’s issues with substance abuse will be the primary focus of NFL teams whenever he decides to pursue a career in professional football. Possesses below-average size for the position. Usually brings down ballcarriers of any size, NFL veterans might prove a bigger challenge. Quicker than fast, though his effort often masks average straight-line speed for his size. Must prove his ability to stay with larger receivers and tight end in man coverage, as they use their length advantage to separate and frame to shield him from the ball. Will take chances as a punt returner, grabbing the ball on a bounce or inside the 5-yard line.



    Sounds like a 4th or 5th rounder based on the analysis

     
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    The way I look at is if Tyrann had played last year there would be no question he would be a top 5 maybe even top 3 CB in this years draft. So what he didnt play last year? The kid still has TONS of talent.

     



    Why do you think this? Not overly fast, lacks size, poor tackling. Immature, prior drug problems. 

     

    Many, many other CB' s have better size, speed and production on the field over this guy. 

    What are you basing your analysis on? 

     



    Hes a play maker. Changes the game. Good Return man. Turn over machine. Can play anywhere in the secondary
     

     

    Heres what NFL.com says about him 

     

    STRENGTHS

     Fiesty turnover machine who lines up outside, in the slot and at safety when needed. Instinctual player with very good read-and-react ability, always seems to work his way into position to make a play on the ball. Does whatever it takes to make a stop, fights through blocks using hands and quickness, goes low or high and doesn’t let up after initial contact. Brings enough force despite his size to get ballcarriers off balance with a glancing blow. Constantly rips at the ball while making a tackle or when others have secured the stop. Fights for jump balls with taller receivers downfield. Regularly used as a blitzer due to his feel, quickness and tenacity. Very good vision and short-area quickness as a punt returner, can make the first man miss and cut back effectively against the grain. Will go outside if the space is there but also slalom through traffic up the field when necessary. Also has balance and strength to get through arm tackles. Will also be a strong tackler on coverage units if required.

    WEAKNESSES

     Mathieu’s issues with substance abuse will be the primary focus of NFL teams whenever he decides to pursue a career in professional football. Possesses below-average size for the position. Usually brings down ballcarriers of any size, NFL veterans might prove a bigger challenge. Quicker than fast, though his effort often masks average straight-line speed for his size. Must prove his ability to stay with larger receivers and tight end in man coverage, as they use their length advantage to separate and frame to shield him from the ball. Will take chances as a punt returner, grabbing the ball on a bounce or inside the 5-yard line.

     



    Sounds like a 4th or 5th rounder based on the analysis

     



    Mel Kiper has New England taking him with the 59th overall pick

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/57110/sizing-up-mel-kipers-mock-draft

    They say it's a very un-patriot like move but so was trading up to get Chandler Jones last year. 

     
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    The way I look at is if Tyrann had played last year there would be no question he would be a top 5 maybe even top 3 CB in this years draft. So what he didnt play last year? The kid still has TONS of talent.

     



    Why do you think this? Not overly fast, lacks size, poor tackling. Immature, prior drug problems. 

     

    Many, many other CB' s have better size, speed and production on the field over this guy. 

    What are you basing your analysis on? 

     



    Hes a play maker. Changes the game. Good Return man. Turn over machine. Can play anywhere in the secondary
     

     

    Heres what NFL.com says about him 

     

    STRENGTHS

     Fiesty turnover machine who lines up outside, in the slot and at safety when needed. Instinctual player with very good read-and-react ability, always seems to work his way into position to make a play on the ball. Does whatever it takes to make a stop, fights through blocks using hands and quickness, goes low or high and doesn’t let up after initial contact. Brings enough force despite his size to get ballcarriers off balance with a glancing blow. Constantly rips at the ball while making a tackle or when others have secured the stop. Fights for jump balls with taller receivers downfield. Regularly used as a blitzer due to his feel, quickness and tenacity. Very good vision and short-area quickness as a punt returner, can make the first man miss and cut back effectively against the grain. Will go outside if the space is there but also slalom through traffic up the field when necessary. Also has balance and strength to get through arm tackles. Will also be a strong tackler on coverage units if required.

    WEAKNESSES

     Mathieu’s issues with substance abuse will be the primary focus of NFL teams whenever he decides to pursue a career in professional football. Possesses below-average size for the position. Usually brings down ballcarriers of any size, NFL veterans might prove a bigger challenge. Quicker than fast, though his effort often masks average straight-line speed for his size. Must prove his ability to stay with larger receivers and tight end in man coverage, as they use their length advantage to separate and frame to shield him from the ball. Will take chances as a punt returner, grabbing the ball on a bounce or inside the 5-yard line.

     



    Sounds like a 4th or 5th rounder based on the analysis

     

     



    Mel Kiper has New England taking him with the 59th overall pick

     

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/57110/sizing-up-mel-kipers-mock-draft

    They say it's a very un-patriot like move but so was trading up to get Chandler Jones last year. 



    3 weeks to go, we will see who is correct

     
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    I've said this once, twice, three, four, five, a billion times. HEEEEE'S a play maker. I argued for days last year about Jenkins from Florida, play makers change the game. Yes they may not be as good at covering as some other CB's but its the fear of a mistake. One mis judgement and it's 6 points the other way. Listen I cant remember the exact numbers but I went back and looked at the last 10 years of drafts and their was only two Corners taken in the second round that were probowlers. And one of them was for special team and I've never heard of him(cant remember the other one). If Mathieu is there in the 3rd and you have not drafted a CB yet then its a must take. THE PATS ARE TERRIBLE AT DRAFTING DB'S IN ROUND 2nd AND 3rd rounds. But this kid is a game changer. the kind you take chances on.

     
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    The way I look at is if Tyrann had played last year there would be no question he would be a top 5 maybe even top 3 CB in this years draft. So what he didnt play last year? The kid still has TONS of talent.

     



    Why do you think this? Not overly fast, lacks size, poor tackling. Immature, prior drug problems. 

     

    Many, many other CB' s have better size, speed and production on the field over this guy. 

    What are you basing your analysis on? 

     



    Hes a play maker. Changes the game. Good Return man. Turn over machine. Can play anywhere in the secondary
     

     

    Heres what NFL.com says about him 

     

    STRENGTHS

     Fiesty turnover machine who lines up outside, in the slot and at safety when needed. Instinctual player with very good read-and-react ability, always seems to work his way into position to make a play on the ball. Does whatever it takes to make a stop, fights through blocks using hands and quickness, goes low or high and doesn’t let up after initial contact. Brings enough force despite his size to get ballcarriers off balance with a glancing blow. Constantly rips at the ball while making a tackle or when others have secured the stop. Fights for jump balls with taller receivers downfield. Regularly used as a blitzer due to his feel, quickness and tenacity. Very good vision and short-area quickness as a punt returner, can make the first man miss and cut back effectively against the grain. Will go outside if the space is there but also slalom through traffic up the field when necessary. Also has balance and strength to get through arm tackles. Will also be a strong tackler on coverage units if required.

    WEAKNESSES

     Mathieu’s issues with substance abuse will be the primary focus of NFL teams whenever he decides to pursue a career in professional football. Possesses below-average size for the position. Usually brings down ballcarriers of any size, NFL veterans might prove a bigger challenge. Quicker than fast, though his effort often masks average straight-line speed for his size. Must prove his ability to stay with larger receivers and tight end in man coverage, as they use their length advantage to separate and frame to shield him from the ball. Will take chances as a punt returner, grabbing the ball on a bounce or inside the 5-yard line.

     



    Sounds like a 4th or 5th rounder based on the analysis

     



    In your opinion, of course.

     
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    The way I look at is if Tyrann had played last year there would be no question he would be a top 5 maybe even top 3 CB in this years draft. So what he didnt play last year? The kid still has TONS of talent.

     



    Why do you think this? Not overly fast, lacks size, poor tackling. Immature, prior drug problems. 

     

    Many, many other CB' s have better size, speed and production on the field over this guy. 

    What are you basing your analysis on? 



    You think he's a poor tackler? I think he's a better tackler than half the CBs who will go before him. May not translate in the NFL as his arms might not be able wrap around. Until he gets there though, you can't really say. I used to not be convinced he fits in the NFL. But as MB pointed out, he follows the mold of Finnegan, who IMHO happens to be one of the better CBs in the NFL. I would not underestimate the value of fearlessness compared to an extra 1 or 2 inches in height.We're he'll, go, Late in the third or lower, I'd take him over Webb, Davis or McFadden.

     
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    I just dont think we can get a better talent at cb in this draft 

    i say we take him in the second

     
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    Okay MB...a late third might not be a bad place to grab him...however, if we are spending that pick,possibly on a corner, why not Logan Ryan out of Rutgers? Like his size, ball skills and overall, assuming we are looking for depth outside to spell talii, Dennard,ni think this kid fits the bill.




    You won't get an argument from me, I'd take Logan over Tyrann all day long... have Logan as a Rd 2 kid on my board... really like this kid's all around game... he's very good in the run game and gets his hands on a ton of footballs... also brings very good triangle #'s.

     
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    Mel Kiper top 5 CB

    CORNERBACKS RANK NAME SCHOOL HT WT Dee Milliner*   6-1 199 Desmond Trufant   6-0 186 Xavier Rhodes*   6-2 215 Jamar Taylor   5-11 196 D.J. Hayden   5-11 192

    Analysis: Milliner has answered all questions on his ability to turn and run. He has great raw football skills, awareness, the ability to dictate routes and he keeps getting better. The class looks deeper now, with Trufant, Rhodes and a handful of others running well to back up the tape. Watch out for Hayden, who would be higher if not for a freak injury in the fall.

     
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    Scouts Inc gives him an overall grade of 65 and has him rated as the 16th CB available.

    Overall Football Traits Production 1 2010: (13/1) 57-7-2 2011: (13/13) 70-7-2 2012: DNP Career: 11 FF, 6 FR (2 for TDs). 15 TFL, 6 sacks. PRs  26-420-16.2-2 Height-Weight-Speed 4 Is shorter than the average NFL CB and is right on the NFL CB average with weight, 40-yard dash time (4.50), hand span (9.3) and arm length (31.1). Durability 2 Was durable during first two seasons at LSU (2010-'11). Lack of size and style of play do; however, create concern for long-term durability in NFL. Intangibles 5 Hard worker. Seemingly endless amount of energy. Highly confident. However, enters the league with significant amount of off-the-field baggage. Served a one-game suspension (Auburn) in 2011 for violating the team's drug policy. In August of 2012, dismissed from team for violation of team policy (failed multiple drug tests) and entered a drug rehab center in Houston. Returned to school as a regular student, hoping to earn a second chance at returning to the team but was arrested on October 26, 2012 (along with three former LSU football players) and charged with simple possession of marijuana. He said during combine interviews that the last time he took an illegal substance was October 26, 2012. Maternal grandfather, Lorenzo Mathieu, helped raise him until he died of complications from a heart attack when Mathieu was 5. His biological mother, Tyra Mathieu has five children, and Tyrann was the only one she didn't raise, leaving him to live with a maternal uncle and aunt -- his adoptive parents (Tyrone and Sheila Mathieu) -- after his grandfather's death. His biological father, Darrin Hayes, is serving a life sentence in the Louisiana State Penitentiary for murder. 1 = EXCEPTIONAL2 = ABOVE AVERAGE3 = AVERAGE4 = BELOW AVERAGE5 = MARGINAL Cornerback Specific Traits Instincts/Recognition 1 Very good natural instincts. Has a rare nose for the football. Very comfortable in space. Reads QBs' eyes effectively. Understands angles and leverage. Knows when to break off of coverage and attack the football. Will occasionally get caught biting and needs to learn when to tone down the aggressiveness. Cover Skills 3 Erratic footwork. Backpedal is a mess. Gets too high, loses balance and gets feet crossed up at times. But he's very quick, fluid and sudden. Shows good closing burst when ball is in front of him. Better in zone coverage than in man-to-man. Very natural in space. Gives up a lot of size to bigger WRs. Will have man-to-man matchup limitations in the NFL. Inconsistent at reading WRs routes and will bite on some double moves. Frequently in trail position and can struggle to get head turned around in time to locate the ball. Ball Skills 2 Natural playmaker. Adept at stripping the ball and forcing fumbles. Always seems to be in on big plays. Has better than average hands. Takes good angles, gets early jumps on the ball and attacks it at highest point when in position to do so. Can struggle to locate the ball over his shoulder. Has shown big-play ability as a punt return specialist. Run Support 2 Undersized and can get caught up in trash on occasion. If bigger blockers get into his body they can sometimes push him around. But generally plays much bigger than size and bench press results (4 reps at combine) might indicate. Spends good majority of time near the line of scrimmage. Is crafty at sifting through traffic and staying off of blocks. Fills extremely hard. Is fearless. Will occasionally miss some tackles (usually when he comes in too hot) but has much better pop than most CBs his size. Shows ability to take down bigger ball carriers. 1 = EXCEPTIONAL2 = ABOVE AVERAGE3 = AVERAGE4 = BELOW AVERAGE5 = MARGINAL
     
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