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unmentioned element of run game

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    The D made the Giant's punt 3 times while the offense spotted the Giant's two points and turned it over twice.  Zero 3 and outs is a figment of your imagination.  Unlike you, I don't argue that the D played great but rather our offense played poorly and couldn't execute in the clutch, something BB has confirmed with words and action this year.

     
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    The D made the Giant's punt 3 times while the offense spotted the Giant's two points and turned it over twice.  Zero 3 and outs is a figment of your imagination.



    No the pats had zero 3 and outs in the SB. It cost them all sorts of field position. It wasn't the only reason they lost but was a contributing factor along with the safety, 12 men on the field, offsides, int and the dropped pass.



    Check the box score, the Giant's punted four times.

     
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    The D made the Giant's punt 3 times while the offense spotted the Giant's two points and turned it over twice.  Zero 3 and outs is a figment of your imagination.



    Figment of my imagination?  Oh, my, you have lost it.

    Do you remember the Pats O scoring the longest TD in SB history( a record) as a result of one of those awesome punts that the D forced.  98 yard TD's are not the norm yet you expected the O to score on all their punts when they always started < 10 yrd line.  Yup, those 3 punts were game changers.......for the other team.

     
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    Sorry did I say three, I meant four...

     

     
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    In fact the Pat's D forced the Giant's to punt once more than the Pat's did... but the Pat's offense turning it over twice leveled the playing field didn't it?

     
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    Steve Weatherford punted 4 times for a 35.8 average.

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012020500/2011/POST22/giants@patriots#menu=highlights%7CcontentId:09000d5d826aedd4&tab=analyze

     You should probably double check before parrotting pezz, you'll sound dopey...

     

     
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    When you have the number 2 offense in the NFL and the number 31 defense in the NFL, I think it's safe to say it's up to the offense to win the game. To expect the defense to win the game is fantasy.

     
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    When you have the number 2 offense in the NFL and the number 31 defense in the NFL, I think it's safe to say it's up to the offense to win the game. To expect the defense to win the game is fantasy.



    The Pat's offense was ranked 15th in points allowed.  Until they start tallying the score with yards like fantasy football that's how they keep score.

     
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    That is all well and good. The D produce zero 3 and outs and the shortest drive for the gints was 7 plays  less the kneel down.  I am not saying that is why they lost I am saying it was a factor along with the other things I mentioned previously.



    And punts happen when?  After the D holds the offense and they're forced to punt.  Boy you guys will say anything.

     
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    It wasn't a "fact," the Pat's D made them punt 4 times.

     
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                                           Insert the sound of crickets chirping...

     
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    That is all well and good. The D produce zero 3 and outs and the shortest drive for the gints was 7 plays  less the kneel down.  I am not saying that is why they lost I am saying it was a factor along with the other things I mentioned previously.



    And punts happen when?  After the D holds the offense and they're forced to punt.  Boy you guys will say anything.




    All the punts and YOU said 3, not 4, were in Pats territory pinning the Pats deep. What else do you need to know unless you think it's easy to score going 90+ yards every time?

     
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    The Pat's offense was ranked 15th in points allowed.  Until they start tallying the score with yards like fantasy football that's how they keep score.


    You're preaching to the choir wozzy. I used those numbers for emphasis. How's this:

    When you have the number 3 offense in the NFL and the number 15 defense in the NFL, I think it's safe to say it's up to the offense to win the game. To expect the defense to win the game is fantasy.

    I too thought the defense played well enough. Who expected the D to hold the Giants the whole game? The Patriots' mistakes, turnovers and penalties, gave the Giants the opportunity to win if they played mistake free. The Giants did that.

     
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    Who cares if they went three and out or five and out, the Pat's D made them punt more often than the Giants D made us punt.  Moreover the D erased the mistakes and inefficiency of the offense turning it over and leaving us on our side of the field the entire game by holding the Giant's to two field goals.  

    Our D wasn't great, they were simply average all year, but they played better than our offense did on the biggest stage.  That's why you see big changes on offense this year while the defensive philosophy stays the same.

     
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    The Pat's offense was ranked 15th in points allowed.  Until they start tallying the score with yards like fantasy football that's how they keep score.



    You're preaching to the choir wozzy. I used those numbers for emphasis. How's this:

     

    When you have the number 3 offense in the NFL and the number 15 defense in the NFL, I think it's safe to say it's up to the offense to win the game. To expect the defense to win the game is fantasy.

    I too thought the defense played well enough. Who expected the D to hold the Giants the whole game? The Patriots' mistakes, turnovers and penalties, gave the Giants the opportunity to win if they played mistake free. The Giants did that.



    Agreed, I just hate when people rank defense on yards, that's dumb.  

     
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    Who cares if they went three and out or five and out, the Pat's D made them punt more often than the Giants D made us punt.  Moreover the D erased the mistakes and inefficiency of the offense turning it over and leaving us on our side of the field the entire game by holding the Giant's to two field goals.  

    Our D wasn't great, they were simply average all year, but they played better than our offense did on the biggest stage.  That's why you see big changes on offense this year while the defensive philosophy stays the same.



    ummm the idea is that 3 & outs prevent scoring and gives the ball back to the O, they didn't even get a 6 & out.  Case closed!

     
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    Who cares if they went three and out or five and out, the Pat's D made them punt more often than the Giants D made us punt.  Moreover the D erased the mistakes and inefficiency of the offense turning it over and leaving us on our side of the field the entire game by holding the Giant's to two field goals.  

    Our D wasn't great, they were simply average all year, but they played better than our offense did on the biggest stage.  That's why you see big changes on offense this year while the defensive philosophy stays the same.



    ummm the idea is that 3 & outs prevent scoring and gives the ball back to the O, they didn't even get a 6 & out.  Case closed!



    They don't give points for 3 & outs.  

    The Giant's punted 4 times which means the defense held them 4 times not including the times our offense left us stranded on our side of the field and our D held them to field goals... you don't really understand how this scoring thing works do you?

     

     
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    Re: unmentioned element of run game

    In response to wozzy's comment:

    In response to digger0862's comment:

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    The Pat's offense was ranked 15th in points allowed.  Until they start tallying the score with yards like fantasy football that's how they keep score.



    You're preaching to the choir wozzy. I used those numbers for emphasis. How's this:

     

    When you have the number 3 offense in the NFL and the number 15 defense in the NFL, I think it's safe to say it's up to the offense to win the game. To expect the defense to win the game is fantasy.

    I too thought the defense played well enough. Who expected the D to hold the Giants the whole game? The Patriots' mistakes, turnovers and penalties, gave the Giants the opportunity to win if they played mistake free. The Giants did that.



    Agreed, I just hate when people rank defense on yards, that's dumb.  



    No, it isn't dumb.  Yards mean you are spending too much time on the field and robbing time from the O.  Yards mean poor 3rd down conversion rates and more opportunity for the opposing O to score or spend 5 minutes average per drive, which is advantage opposing O.

     
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    Re: unmentioned element of run game

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    Who cares if they went three and out or five and out, the Pat's D made them punt more often than the Giants D made us punt.  Moreover the D erased the mistakes and inefficiency of the offense turning it over and leaving us on our side of the field the entire game by holding the Giant's to two field goals.  

    Our D wasn't great, they were simply average all year, but they played better than our offense did on the biggest stage.  That's why you see big changes on offense this year while the defensive philosophy stays the same.



    ummm the idea is that 3 & outs prevent scoring and gives the ball back to the O, they didn't even get a 6 & out.  Case closed!



    They don't give points for 3 & outs.  

    The Giant's punted 4 times which means the defense held them 4 times not including the times our offense left us stranded on our side of the field and our D held them to field goals... you don't really understand how this scoring thing works do you?

     



    Umm, three and outs PREVENT scoring and yes, you do get points for that figuratively.(statistically)  ex:  if the D had gotten a 3 & out on either of the scoring drives, the Pats would have won.   For each failed three and out, you are keeping the ball away from your own O.  Instead they got ZERO.   Please check your own knowledge before you call any one else for being dumb.

     
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