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    Why because his brother is a head case? We all have siblings that could be considered head cases, does that make us head cases? I don't see a problem with him.
    Posted by dx7


         dx7: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-12-pompei-scout-apr12,0,5644455.story
     
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    texas-the thing that shocks me the most is.the browns getting rid of winslow,and now possibly edwards.they are the browns receiving core.you add stallworth with his troubles.now they have nobody.i love how man-dummy ruins ball clubs.
    Posted by mosseffect43



         moss:

         I thought that the Browns got over on Tampa Bay in getting a second round pick for Winslow. Due to immaturity issues, and the horrible injuries suffered from his motorcycle accident, Winslow will never fulfill the great potential which he once had.
     
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    The Browns are just re-couping the losses from bad decisions of the Savage and pre-Savage era. They definitely could use those picks.

    I don't see the Broncos, though, trading for Quinn or at least I wouldn't. At this point, prospects in the third or fourth rounds of this draft are better long term solutions while early round picks would help them add some young depth to build around. They don't need help the Browns out of their mistakes.
     
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               I really like the crop of players available this year. Theres' lots of quality depth at positions of need for the Pats. But, I don't see them taking 10 or more players. You just know that they'll pull off a trade-down, and acquire picks for next year, somewhere along the line.     

    A successful draft will ensure that the Pats will be SB contenders for the next 3-4 years. A poor draft could finish them.        
    Posted by TexasPat3


    You don't know they'll pull off trade downs and you don't know if they do that whether they'll be losing picks in the process for this draft or perhaps gaining them. A trade of 23 could yield a pick at the top of the 2nd round and 3rd round. From there, either or both could be moved for a future pick or even a future pick and a later round pick. Or 23 could just go for a future first and current late 2nd or early 3rd.

    I expect them to be active. Adding a strong draft this year is a huge help going into the future. If the Pats do feel that they need to have a strong draft, though, it makes a heck of a lot more sense to have great quantity of picks now than a few now and more for next season. There are a number of spots up for grabs in this Pats roster, at least 8, and that often grows during the preseason as players join reserve lists.
     
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    Tex I would rather see Jamon Meredith, at #47 and still grab Pat White at #58. I think with Dante coaching up Meredith, he will turn into a Beast. Would hate to see us taking White at #47 and taking a chance of not getting Meredith.
     
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    Meredith would certainly be a great pick for the Pats at 47 or 58. I don't see too much of a drop off, though, at guard/center a round later. Someone like Antoine Caldwell or Andy Levitre has a good shot at being available at 89 and still be a great fit for the Pats. A player with the diverse skillset of Pat White would not and there certainly is a huge drop off in the front 7 between the second round and the third round.
     
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    You don't know they'll pull off trade downs and you don't know if they do that whether they'll be losing picks in the process for this draft or perhaps gaining them. A trade of 23 could yield a pick at the top of the 2nd round and 3rd round. From there, either or both could be moved for a future pick or even a future pick and a later round pick. Or 23 could just go for a future first and current late 2nd or early 3rd. I expect them to be active. Adding a strong draft this year is a huge help going into the future. If the Pats do feel that they need to have a strong draft, though, it makes a heck of a lot more sense to have great quantity of picks now than a few now and more for next season. There are a number of spots up for grabs in this Pats roster, at least 8, and that often grows during the preseason as players join reserve lists.
    Posted by KyleCleric2


         The Pats will be active. As I said in my last post, I really like this draft class. It has lots of depth. Its' imperative that the Pats have a strong draft. 

         Incidently, it appears to be a virtual certainty that Browns WR Braylon Edwards will be a NY Giant: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-giantspursueedwards041409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
     
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         Kyle and All:

         I've been wondering why the Browns want to get rid of Brady Quinn. During the times that I've seen him play, hes' flashed potential...and seems to be a better QB than Derek Anderson. 

         Well...today I've learned that Quinn is scheduled to earn $11mil. this coming season, provided that he takes 70% of his team's snaps. Tom Condon strikes again.
     
         Incidently, rumor has it that two teams are hot after Quinn (Redskins & Jets?)...and that the Browns have allegedly been offered a first round pick for him.    
     
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    Great Mock TexasPat!

    I dont think Maualuga slips that far though and if both him and Jenkins slip, i think BB goes with Jenkins!

    I think realistically #23 will be either English/Butler/Matthews

    #34 - Probablly Barwin but possibly Mayo's ex-teamate Robert Ayers - guy looks good on tape but he might not slip that far

    #43 - Pat White - i just hope he's there!!






     
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    Nice mock, Texas. You always do your homework.

    I think I'd go with an OLB at #23, though. I like Larry English. I see a greater need for a pass rusher than an ILB at this point. Then, if Laurinaitis at still there at #34, we're golden.

    Also, if alphonso smith and pettigrew are still there as 43-45, I'd bet money that BB moves up a few slots to grap one or the other, or even, GASP, both!!

    Imagine a first day haul  of English, Laurinitis, Smith and Pettigrew?? The safety, OL and DL can wait till day 2.
     
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    Great Mock TexasPat! I dont think Maualuga slips that far though and if both him and Jenkins slip, i think BB goes with Jenkins! I think realistically #23 will be either English/Butler/Matthews #34 - Probablly Barwin but possibly Mayo's ex-teamate Robert Ayers - guy looks good on tape but he might not slip that far #43 - Pat White - i just hope he's there!!
    Posted by mattadlard


         Thanks Matt...doing the mock was alot of fun.

         You may be right about Maualuga. But, it San Diego doesn't select him at #16, theres' a decent chance that he'll fall to the Pats.

         I have to disagree with you about the Pats choosing Jenkins over Rey...if it comes down to that. Tedy Bruschi is 36 years old, and was on his last legs two years ago. Maualuga would be the perfect replacement...and would give the Patriot defense the intimidator that they sorely lack.

         Furthermore, if it came down to Clay Matthews or Jenkins, I'd want Matthews. Nothing improves a secondary like a good pass rush. Currently, the Patriots have no one on their roster who can "bring the heat". 

         As for English, I'm not sure that he has the necessary skill set to play OLB. He can rush the passer, but I'm not sure that hes' fast enough or athletic enough to cover.

         I really like Butler. Hes' a better fit as a cover CB for the Pats than Jenkins. 

         Barwin is an intriguing athlete. But, so was Vernon Gholston. If it came down between him and Robert Ayers, I'd go with Ayers...who should be a first round pick.

         Pat White could be the second coming of "slash"...Cordell Stewart. Theres' no telling how good Cordell could have been if the Steelers had left him at WR.
     
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    1. Detroit Lions: QB Matthew Stafford, Georgia

    2. St. Louis Rams: OT Eugene Moore, Virginia

    3. Kansas City Chiefs:  LB Aaron Curry, Wake Forest

    4. Seattle Seahawks (poor Supersonics): QB Mark Sanchez, USC

    5. Cleveland Browns: WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech

    6. Cincinnati Bengals: OT Andre Smith, Alabama

    7. Oakland Raiders: WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri

    8. Jacksonville Jaguars: QB Josh Freeman, Kansas State

    9. Green Bay Packers: OT Jason Smith, Baylor

    10 San Francisco 49ers: OLB Brian Orakpo, Texas

    11. Buffalo Bills: DE Robert Ayers, Tennessee

    12. Denver Broncos: NT BJ Raji, Boston College

    13. Washington Redskins: DE Everette Brown, Florida State

    14. New Orleans Saints: DB Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State

    15. Houston Texans: LB Clay Matthews, USC

    16. San Diego Chargers: OT Michael Oher, Mississippi

    17. NY Jets: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland

    18. Denver Broncos: DE Tyson Jackson, LSU

    19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: DE Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech

    20. Detroit Lions: OT Eben Britton, Arizona

    21. Philadelphia Eagles: RB Chris Wells, Ohio State

    22. Minnesota Vikings: OT William Beatty, Connecticut

    23. New England Patriots: ILB Rey Maualuga, USC

    24. Atlanta Falcons: DE/DT Evander Hood, Missouri

    25. Miami Dolphins: OLB Aaron Maybin, Penn State

    26. Baltimore Ravens: LB Brian Cushing, USC

    27. Indianapolis Colts: DT Peria Jerry, Mississippi

    28. Philadelphia Eagles: OT Phil Loadholt, Oklahoma

    29. Cleveland Browns (from NY Giants): RB Donald Brown, Connecticut

    30. Tennessee Titans: DB Darius Butler, Connecticut

    31. Arizona Cardinals: RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

    32. Pittsburgh Steelers: C Alex Mack, California

     
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    TEX:
    If Maualuga is there at 16, he's a BOLT. He is a MLB. 
    MLB would complete the puzzle.
    Merriman
    Cooper
    R. M.
    Shaun Phillips
    He is the only inside backer that hits like a mack truck in the draft.
    Knowshon or Rey, period.

    No Olineman at #1, sorry. Maybe #3 though:

    http://www.star-telegram.com/nflinsider/story/1231547.html
    If available at pick 78 in round 3, this guy
    Herman Johnson - who was in SD yesterday - is the one on the right:



    gut says Rey at #1

    regards

     
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    Nice mock, Texas. You always do your homework. I think I'd go with an OLB at #23, though. I like Larry English. I see a greater need for a pass rusher than an ILB at this point. Then, if Laurinaitis at still there at #34, we're golden. Also, if alphonso smith and pettigrew are still there as 43-45, I'd bet money that BB moves up a few slots to grap one or the other, or even, GASP, both!! Imagine a first day haul  of English, Laurinitis, Smith and Pettigrew?? The safety, OL and DL can wait till day 2.
    Posted by unclealfie


         Thanks, Uncle Alf. My brother is also extremely high on English...primarily due to his performance at the Senior Bowl. Theres' been so much talk about the USC LBs and Barwin, that English, believe it or not, seems to be flying below the radar. Could this be a sign that some team is ready to take him with a top 20 pick?

         I don't particularly like Laurinaitis. He seemed to disappear in big games at Ohio State. Maualuga is a much better prospect.

         Alphonso Smith? Haven't we had enough of undersized CBs over the past few years (Ellis Hobbs, Tyrone Poole, Chris Canty)? 

         Pettigrew may be a head case. Last year in Stillwater Oklahoma, he was being drunk and disorderly. After being told to leave the scene, he turned back around and jammed his elbow into the chest of a police officer...who was escorting him away. Though charged with assaulting a peace officer, he recently pled guilty to a reduced charge. I rather see the Pats take their chances with Shawn Nelson.

         Heres' the story on Pettigrew:
    http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/article.aspx?articleID=20080617_93_B2_OLHMTT886984
     
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    naw, the Bolts are going to take Brian Cushing. Wink
     
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         Kyle:

         Interesting mock draft. But, Josh Freeman at #8, and Jason Smith at #9??
     
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    How about the TE from Rice?
     
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         Kyle:      Interesting mock draft. But, Josh Freeman at #8, and Jason Smith at #9??
    Posted by TexasPat3


    I'm hearing that a few teams very high on Josh Freeman, 8th or 10th pick high on him. He's the top in terms of size, athleticism, and arm strength amongst the top QBs. I'm also hearing that he's one of the highest rated in terms of character in this draft. Jason Smith is seen by some teams as a top overall type pick. Others though see him as pick that should go around 10. I don't see the Lions moving away from Stafford. Eugene Monroe makes a lot more sense for the Rams in terms of his connections to the team and the low likelihood for him to bust. Seattle is supposedly high on Sanchez. The Browns are probably the toughest to predict, but they'd be best going for the best player remaining if they have to pick. If they don't pick, then some team moving up is likely moving up for Crabtree. Andre Smith is obviously a player the Bengals should like and Maclin to the Raiders.
     
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    How about the TE from Rice?
    Posted by Dominican


         The TE from Rice that you're referring to is 6'3", 245 lb. James Casey. Casey reminds me of former Patriot Garrett Mills, who had a cup of coffee in Foxboro after being selected 106th overall in the Patriots' horrible (with the exception of Stephen Gostkowski) 2006 draft. Like Mills, Casey is projected as an H-back/FB type. He has good hands, but short arms...and reportedly needs lots of work on his blocking.   
     
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    I'm hearing that a few teams very high on Josh Freeman, 8th or 10th pick high on him...(he also has the size, arm strength, and character that teams look for in a QB)

    RESPONSE: Yes...I've heard that, too. But, as you know, many teams will leak  misinformation to the media as a smokescreen. For example, a team like Jacksonville may be feigning interest in taking a QB at #8 in hopes of luring some moronic team (Jets??) to trade up. Though Freeman is a rising player, theres' no way he'll be a top 10 pick. Why? Money. Remember, a QB taken this high is going to command big bucks...much of which is guaranteed. Anybody who takes Freeman will have to be patient with him as he develops. Who wants to do that with a kid being paid so much money?  


    I don't see the Lions moving away from Stafford.

    RESPONSE: The Lions likely want Stafford. But, they would be crazy to take any player at #1 that is not signed in advance. Tom Condon is Stafford's agent, and will likely demand a $70mil. deal, with $35-40mil. of that guaranteed. Signing an unproven QB, who couldn't win the big games in college, is a reckless, monumental risk. One of the top LTs would be far less risky, and could be signed
    for less. BUT...then again...these are the Lions.
     

    Eugene Monroe makes a lot more sense for the Rams in terms of his connections to the team and the low likelihood for him to bust. Seattle is supposedly high on Sanchez.

    RESPONSE: Agreed.



    The Browns are probably the toughest to predict, but they'd be best going for the best player remaining if they have to pick. If they don't pick, then some team moving up is likely moving up for Crabtree.

    RESPONSE: Big changes are coming in Cleveland...as WR Braylon Edwards and QB Brady Quinn will most likely be traded. Quinn's agent is Tom Condon. The "unreasonable one" structured Quinn's contract in such a way that hes' scheduled to earn $11mil., if he takes 70% of his teams' snaps in 2009. Accordingly, Quinn has a huge cap number this year...as my understanding of the cap is that any incentives built into a contract are counted against the cap in advance, as if they were guaranteed. That said, the Browns are rumored to really want Crabtree.  

     
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    Freeman a month ago was going between 17 and 22. If he's truly rising then his value should be in the 8 to 12 pick range. Teams do stupid things if they see a shot for a franchise QB. There should be a number of teams looking to draft their favorite QB, regardless of guarantees. Freeman should have several fans among teams. The same goes for Stafford. He seems to be the Lions favorite and they aren't getting another shot at QB till the third round if they don't take him.
     
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    naw, the Bolts are going to take Brian Cushing.
    Posted by KyleCleric2

     Cushing will be #2 or #3 round pick.
     
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     Cushing will be #2 or #3 round pick.
    Posted by jbolted


         Why do you think that Cushing could fall as far as the 3rd round?
     
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        Heres' SI's Don Banks' updated mock draft updated to 4/17...though it doesn't take into account the Jason Peters' trade to Philly for the 28th overall pick. Banks has the Pats taking CB Darius Butler at #23: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/17/mock1/index.html?eref=T1
     
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        Heres' SI's Don Banks' updated mock draft updated to 4/17...though it doesn't take into account the Jason Peters' trade to Philly for the 28th overall pick. Banks has the Pats taking CB Darius Butler at #23: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/17/mock1/index.html?eref=T1
    Posted by TexasPat3


    "I have it on good authority that Belichick loves Butler and will make him the second cornerback to come off the board. All you need to know is the Pats head coach attended UConn's pro day, and that's not an every-day trip for Mr. Hoodie."

    Something about that kind of certainty makes me doubt this will happen. There were a number of players that the Pats could be looking for from UConn, Beatty, Cody Brown, Donald Brown, and Darius Butler. They're all exactly what the Pats would want at a need position and they're all where the Pats would be selecting in the draft. The Pats could very well come away with 2 or 3 players from Connecticut in this draft.
     
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