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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/23/2009 1:25 PM EDT

         For those of you who are attempting to gauge whether the Patriots will move up in the draft, heres' an excellent article on the subject...which discusses the NFL trade value chart. For example, according to the chart, if the Pats wanted to obtain the 10th overall pick from the 49ers, the cost would be all three of their second round picks (picks #34, 47, and 58): http://www.examiner.com/x-1324-New-England-Patriots-Examiner~y2009m4d23-Where-the-New-England-Patriots-stand-on-the-NFL-Draft-Trade-Value-Chart
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/23/2009 2:55 PM EDT

    The only QBs worth $70M and $40M for 6 years are Manning and Brady.               Personally, I think Peyton Manning is overpaid. The only time he hasn't choked away a postseason was in 06. And even then he needed the ineptitude of the KC and Baltimore offenses to make it to the big show. He really only played one exceptional half in that whole postseason, and that was against the Patriots second string defense in the AFCCG.
    Posted by bubthegrub2


    Thank you Bub,

    I may agree with your statement about Manning believe it or not.  Come to think of it, Brady has choked in his last 2 playoff appearances AND missed 08.  Talk about overpaid, Mr. Bundeschen is currently enjoying THE BIGGEST downward spiral of a top QB in league history.  

    How do you like them apples?  
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/23/2009 3:00 PM EDT

         Forget about the Falcons choosing Brandon Pettigrew with their 24th overall pick, as they have just acquired 33 year old TE Tony Gonzalez for their second round pick in 2010: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9490416/Sources:-Chiefs-agree-to-deal-Gonzalez-to-Falcons.

         Great job by Pioli.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/23/2009 7:07 PM EDT

         This draft is loaded with uncertainty and intrigue. Heres are 10 things to watch for: 

    1.) Who Goes #1?: Stafford or Curry...and, if Stafford isn't taken first, how far does he fall? 

    2.) Mark Sanchez: Will any team trade up for him? Washington, NY Jets, 49ers, Seattle, and Denver reportedly have the hots for him;
     
    3.) Aaron Curry: If he doesn't go at #1, how far will he fall?;

    4.) Michael Crabtree: Doesn't run a 40 due to injury, and allegedly acts like a jerk in Cleveland. Will he still be the first WR taken? Could he fall out of the top 10?;

    5.) QB Josh Freeman: Is he a top 10 pick, or does he fall to the Jets at #17? Does he fall out of the first round?; 

    6.) Brian Orakpo: Is he this years' Vernon Gholston? Does he fall out of the top 10 picks?;

    7.) Percy Harvin: Does he fall out of the first round due to mental and physical concerns?; 

    8.) Trades Involving Veteran WRs: Anquan Boldin, Braylon Edwards, Chad (Ochocinco) Johnson?;
     
    9.) QB Trades: Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell?;

    10.) MLB Rey Maualuga: Will he slip past the Chargers at #16, into the 20s?;
     
         Teams to watch: Chiefs, Patriots, Jets, Eagles, Giants, Redskins.  
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/23/2009 9:19 PM EDT

    I believe the PAT's will Trade their first pick if  Pettigrew is not there...  But then again, BB is full of Surprises...  Go PAT'S and Kick some Buttt in this Year's Draft...
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/23/2009 10:00 PM EDT

         Could Crabtree's apparent diva-like attitude cause him cause him to slide more than a paranoid base-stealer?? Could be: http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/23/crabtree-diss-of-raiders-disappears-from-nflcom-chat/
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/23/2009 10:29 PM EDT

         Taking a WR in the first round usually leads to disaster: http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=776&Category=11.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/23/2009 10:41 PM EDT

         Rumor...and I stress the word RUMOR, has it that the Lions are in the homestretch towards signing Stafford to an insane $80mil. deal, with $40mil, guaranteed: http://www.faniq.com/blog/Matt-Stafford-Will-Sign-With-The-Detroit-Lions-For-80-Million-40-Million-Guaranteed-Blog-22694
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/23/2009 11:02 PM EDT

         This draft is loaded with uncertainty and intrigue. Heres are 10 things to watch for:  1.) Who Goes #1?: Stafford or Curry...and, if Stafford isn't taken first, how far does he fall?  2.) Mark Sanchez: Will any team trade up for him? Washington, NY Jets, 49ers, Seattle, and Denver reportedly have the hots for him;   3.) Aaron Curry: If he doesn't go at #1, how far will he fall?; 4.) Michael Crabtree: Doesn't run a 40 due to injury, and allegedly acts like a jerk in Cleveland. Will he still be the first WR taken? Could he fall out of the top 10?; 5.) QB Josh Freeman: Is he a top 10 pick, or does he fall to the Jets at #17? Does he fall out of the first round?;  6.) Brian Orakpo: Is he this years' Vernon Gholston? Does he fall out of the top 10 picks?; 7.) Percy Harvin: Does he fall out of the first round due to mental and physical concerns?;  8.) Trades Involving Veteran WRs: Anquan Boldin, Braylon Edwards, Chad (Ochocinco) Johnson?;   9.) QB Trades: Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell?; 10.) MLB Rey Maualuga: Will he slip past the Chargers at #16, into the 20s?;        Teams to watch: Chiefs, Patriots, Jets, Eagles, Giants, Redskins.  
    Posted by TexasPat3
    1)Stafford.2)yeah someone will try to trade up into the top 5 to get him.3)no lower than 10.4)Yes Crabtree will be the first WR taken.5)He falls all the way out of the first round.6)I can't say he'll be drafted in the top 10,but this years Gholstein is either English or Brown.7)It's possible he drops out of the 1rst round but since I had him as an early second round pick it's really not a big thing.8)Yes,Yes and so sorry ocho cinco no.9)Brady Quinn no! Jason Campbell maybe if the Skins get into the top 5 to draft Sanchez.10) Rey should be available for the Patriots at #23 but he won't last past that.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/23/2009 11:13 PM EDT

    That's crazy.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 12:06 AM EDT

    Well. Here's tonight's new fun mock ...

    1. Detroit Lions: QB Matt Stafford

    2. St. Louis Rams: OT Eugene Monroe

    3. Kansas City Chiefs: LB Aaron Curry

    4. Seattle Seahawks: OT Jason Smith

    5. Washington Redskins (from Cleveland Browns): QB Matt Sanchez

    6. Cincinnati Bengals: OT Andre Smith

    7. Oakland Raiders: WR Jeremy Maclin

    8. Buffalo Bills (from Jacksonville Jaguars): OT Michael Oher

    9. Green Bay Packers: NT BJ Raji

    10. New York Jets (from San Francisco 49ers): QB Josh Freeman

    11. Jacksonville Jaguars (from Buffalo Bills): WR Michael Crabtree

    12. Denver Broncos: DE Tyson Jackson

    13. Cleveland Browns (from Washington Redskins): WR Darrius Heyward-Bey

    14. New Orleans Saints: DB Malcolm Jenkins

    15. Houston Texans: LB Clay Matthews

    16. San Diego Chargers: OLB Brian Orakpo

    17. San Francisco 49ers (from New York Jets): OLB Everette Brown

    18. Denver Broncos: ILB Rey Maualuga

    19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: DB Darrius Butler

    20. Detroit Lions: OT Eben Britton

    21. Philadelphia Eagles: TE Brandon Pettigrew

    22. Minnesota Vikings: DB Vontae Davis

    23. New England Patriots: RB Chris Wells

    24. Atlanta Falcons: DE/DT Ziggy Hood

    25. Miami Dolphins: OLB Connor Barwin

    26. Baltimore Ravens: LB Brian Cushing

    27. Indianapolis Colts: DT Peria Jerry

    28. Buffalo Bills: DE Robert Ayers

    29. New York Giants: RB Knowshon Moreno

    30. Tennessee Titans: DB Sean Smith

    31. Arizona Cardinals: RB Donald Brown

    32. Pittsburgh Steelers: C Alex Mack

     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 12:35 AM EDT

    If its a choice betwenn K Moreno and Beanie Wells....I'd go with Moreno:

    1) Better receiver
    2) Better Blocker
    3) Can make people miss
    4) More durable

    Granted, Moreno is not as fast as the bigger Wells.....
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 1:29 AM EDT

    If we were looking for a back to take the full run load or most of it, Moreno might be the choice. But we have Maroney, Taylor, and Morris on the team who all cover the same kind of plays we'd want from Moreno. We do not have someone who is there to grind out a key yard or two in short situations. Wells provides that as well as more capability for the big play. We struggled at the end of 2007 because of a lack of a power running game. With Wells, we have that. Now, my choice doesn't have to be Wells for RB. I would be happy to take a different position here and then take a running back in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, Rashad Jennings, Shonn Green, or Andre Brown. 37.5 hours remaining ...
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:14 AM EDT

    If its a choice betwenn K Moreno and Beanie Wells....I'd go with Moreno: 1) Better receiver 2) Better Blocker 3) Can make people miss 4) More durable Granted, Moreno is not as fast as the bigger Wells.....
    Posted by pats-fan-2007


         I'd take Knowshon, too. He may have some Emmitt Smith in him. But, don't sell RB Donald Brown short. He is the most versatile RB in the draft...and could eventually fill the same roll as Kevin Faulk.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:17 AM EDT

    If we were looking for a back to take the full run load or most of it, Moreno might be the choice. But we have Maroney, Taylor, and Morris on the team who all cover the same kind of plays we'd want from Moreno. We do not have someone who is there to grind out a key yard or two in short situations. Wells provides that as well as more capability for the big play. We struggled at the end of 2007 because of a lack of a power running game. With Wells, we have that. Now, my choice doesn't have to be Wells for RB. I would be happy to take a different position here and then take a running back in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, Rashad Jennings, Shonn Green, or Andre Brown. 37.5 hours remaining ...
    Posted by KyleCleric2


         The Pats will either trade down, or take the best player available at #23. If that player is a RB, so be it. But, if its' a toss-up between a RB and, say a DE/OLB, they'll likely go with the defender.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:20 AM EDT

    I wouldn't go OLB over Wells at 23. At 34, Wells won't be available but likely my selection for OLB would be, Larry English or Connor Barwin.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:21 AM EDT

    texas-just for the heck of it.take a guess who will be the pats first player drafted?rather if its 23,or in the 2nd round.im thinking OT- micheal oher,or larry english.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:27 AM EDT

    I wouldn't go OLB over Wells at 23. At 34, Wells won't be available but likely my selection for OLB would be, Larry English or Connor Barwin.
    Posted by KyleCleric2


         Kyle:

         Odds are Wells won't be around by pick #23. Some say Wells will turn out to be another Maroney. Who knows?!! As I've said, the Pats will likely trade down, or pick the best player available.

         Don't sell RB Donald Brown short. Some feel that he is the best RB in the draft. Remember what happened in 2006...Maroney, DeAngelo Williams, Addai, annd Jones-Drew. Of these, Jones-Drew, who was picked last, might have turned out to be the best player. 
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:31 AM EDT

         Kyle:      Odds are Wells won't be around by pick #23. Some say Wells will turn out to be another Maroney. Who knows?!! As I've said, the Pats will likely trade down, or pick the best player available.      Don't sell RB Donald Brown short. Some feel that he is the best RB in the draft. Remember what happened in 2006...Maroney, DeAngelo Williams, Addai, annd Jones-Drew. Of these, Jones-Drew, who was picked last, might have turned out to be the best player. 
    Posted by TexasPat3

    I wouldnt mind seeing donald brown landing here.faulk is up there in age,as well as morris,and taylor.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:37 AM EDT

         Kyle:      Odds are Wells won't be around by pick #23. Some say Wells will turn out to be another Maroney. Who knows?!! As I've said, the Pats will likely trade down, or pick the best player available.      Don't sell RB Donald Brown short. Some feel that he is the best RB in the draft. Remember what happened in 2006...Maroney, DeAngelo Williams, Addai, annd Jones-Drew. Of these, Jones-Drew, who was picked last, might have turned out to be the best player. 
    Posted by TexasPat3


    We don't need Donald Brown, LeSean McCoy, or Knowshon Moreno. We need someone whose purpose is to gain a yard or two for short situations and who has the potential to eventually be a featured back. We need someone like Beanie Wells, Rashad Jennings, Andre Brown, or Shonn Greene. If we don't get someone one of those 4, the focus should then be on potential third down drafts, 4th round or later, players like Cedric Peerman or Devin Moore.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:39 AM EDT

    texas-just for the heck of it.take a guess who will be the pats first player drafted?rather if its 23,or in the 2nd round.im thinking OT- micheal oher,or larry english.
    Posted by mosseffect43


    If the Pats draft a pure OT, I'd expect a later move involving Kaczur. Interior linemen or players who can play both inside and outside are more likely picks for the Pats.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:42 AM EDT

    We don't need Donald Brown, LeSean McCoy, or Knowshon Moreno. We need someone whose purpose is to gain a yard or two for short situations and who has the potential to eventually be a featured back. We need someone like Beanie Wells, Rashad Jennings, Andre Brown, or Shonn Greene. If we don't get someone one of those 4, the focus should then be on potential third down drafts, 4th round or later, players like Cedric Peerman or Devin Moore.
    Posted by KyleCleric2


         The Pats need someone who can rush the passer...first and foremost. But, if that player isn't there...trade down, or take the best player available.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:44 AM EDT

    If the Pats draft a pure OT, I'd expect a later move involving Kaczur. Interior linemen or players who can play both inside and outside are more likely picks for the Pats.
    Posted by KyleCleric2
    I would agree except they dont have much cap,and they will target players,or positions that dont demand big contracts.at least with the no.23,or 34.if they use them,and not trade them.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:48 AM EDT

    Surprising to see people thinking RB for Pats.  Kiper has had Donald Brown as the 1st round selection as well.  I don't think Pats will look running back early, they seem to have a philosophy of dedicating a specific amount in salary for each position.  There are 5 guys on the RB depth chart, including Maroney's 1st round money and Taylor's up front money.  I think they won't want to dedicate first or second round type money there.  Robert Ayers popped up in Reiss column mocks a few times, if he''s there definately an interesting pick.  Mayock loves him.
     

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    Re: UPDATED MOCK DRAFT

    posted at 4/24/2009 10:49 AM EDT

    texas-just for the heck of it.take a guess who will be the pats first player drafted?rather if its 23,or in the 2nd round.im thinking OT- micheal oher,or larry english.
    Posted by mosseffect43


         Moss:

         The players that I think the Pats may have interest in, who may be available at #23 are: CB Darius Butler, LBs Rey Maualuga or Clay Matthews, DT Ziggy Hood, DEs Robert Ayers and Larry English, OT Eben Britton, and RB Donald Brown. 

          As for taking a guess on who the Pats will actually take, I'll do that tonight or tomorrow morning, when I compose my final mock draft.