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    Where's you forgivness?
     
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    Where's you forgivness?
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    OK, I forgive Tucker Carlson.
     
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    Well, good to see everyone is lining up on the right/left about where I thought they would be.  The comment, independent of politics, is absurd on a few levels.. First, the sentence was commensurate with the crime.  Two years and a career including endorsement money is a huge amount to lose.  Here in PA a kennel owner was cited 80 instances for starving/neglecting his dogs.  As soon as the SPCA officer left, he shot all 80 of them.  NO law against that.  So you tell me, how Vick gets in THAT much trouble, and this guy is clear?  Semantics.  He was punished.  More than a man who killed someone with his car.  A person, mind you, not an animal.  If Vick should not/could not be rehabilitated, the basis for our entire penal system is invalidated.  He wasn't a pedophile.  He had a point of view that was not in keeping with modern society.  He says he sees the error of his ways.  We should believe him until proven wrong.

    As far as the Obama comment, this is typical Republican ear candy.  They love to quote/cite Ronald Regan, but as I remember him (I served 8 years in the Army during his presidency, so I was paying attention) he didn't like this kind of stuff, and tended to be low key, and worked toward getting agreement with what he wanted, and building on relationships, rather than using the issue to divide/contrast the parties.  When he wanted to rebuild the military, he did it by bringing in democrats, not alienating them.  I think BOTH sides are working a bit hard to drive wedges, and it is the public that is suffering.  

    As far as the NPR comment, I don't lean as left as they sometimes do, but I also like a different voice in the news mix, and they provide it.  Public television/radio has given us some excellent programming that the pay versions refuse to bother with.  

    I personally, stand on the mountain of being an American.  That means, as it did when I was in the military, that I stand behind the President whether I agree with him, like him, or voted for him.  He is not a socialist, or a muslim, or whatever trite denigrating label you want to apply.  He is the President.  He was elected.  He can be voted out when its time.  Meanwhile, I BACK HIM 100% in doing his job.  Oh, and Carlson is an idiot.
     
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    The interesting thing about all this is that dog fighting was once a fairly respectable sport in much of the Western world.  It still is respectable in certain places.  Boxing was once pretty respectable too . . . but now it seems to be headed the way of dog fighting. 

    And then there's football.  Anyone still wondering why Goodell is all worked up about hits and concussions?


     
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    I love dogs and I think what Vick did was wrong, but I'll never put an animals life on par with a human being.
    Posted by 49Patriots

    If Vick killed my dog, I would execute him in a nanosecond. That said, Fox News is a hate spewing venom sack of rhetoric.
     
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    If Obama had said he was disappointed in the NFL for letting Vick play again you can bet you a ss this guy wouldnt be saying "execute Vick" but instead he would be saying Obama is wrong and Vick should get his second chance. Its all just BS.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


    Exactly, MVP.  
     
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    The word redemption is being bandied about in a way that makes it seem like Vick has done anything other than perform on a football field.  Maybe he paid his penalty by going to jail, but redemption is more about righting a wrong than regaining lost notoriety.  If he gave a million dollars to an animal shelter (doubtful given his current financial position) then maybe he'd be on the road to redeeming himself.  Being in the conversation for NFL MVP is not redemption. 
     
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    The word redemption is being bandied about in a way that makes it seem like Vick has done anything other than perform on a football field.  Maybe he paid his penalty by going to jail, but redemption is more about righting a wrong than regaining lost notoriety.  If he gave a million dollars to an animal shelter (doubtful given his current financial position) then maybe he'd be on the road to redeeming himself.  Being in the conversation for NFL MVP is not redemption. 
    Posted by CablesWyndBairn


    Precisely! Well stated. Although I don't necessarily agree that writing a check equates to redemption.
     
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    I don't know what Vick can ever do to right his wrongs in the eyes of some people.  Maybe he is only play acting at being the penitent man, or maybe his time in jail gave him time to think about how his acts were wrong.  Who knows but the man himself?  I do agree though that the only reason he stopped is because he and his crew got caught.  Whether that means he truly regrets the terrible things he's done or just misses the beaucoup dosh that he flushed down the bog, we'll never know. 

    I tend to agree with those who say the crime was egregious enough to warrant a lifetime ban from the NFL and that the league rewarding this guy with the MVP is hypocrisy.  The current NFL commissioner seems to pride himself on his moral stances and in my eyes the way he's handled this whole situation goes against everything he seems to stand against.  I'm sure others will disagree, but to me, he should've been treated as a pariah by the NFL.  
     
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    Well, good to see everyone is lining up on the right/left about where I thought they would be.  The comment, independent of politics, is absurd on a few levels.. First, the sentence was commensurate with the crime.  Two years and a career including endorsement money is a huge amount to lose.  Here in PA a kennel owner was cited 80 instances for starving/neglecting his dogs.  As soon as the SPCA officer left, he shot all 80 of them.  NO law against that.  So you tell me, how Vick gets in THAT much trouble, and this guy is clear?  Semantics.  He was punished.  More than a man who killed someone with his car.  A person, mind you, not an animal.  If Vick should not/could not be rehabilitated, the basis for our entire penal system is invalidated.  He wasn't a pedophile.  He had a point of view that was not in keeping with modern society.  He says he sees the error of his ways.  We should believe him until proven wrong. As far as the Obama comment, this is typical Republican ear candy.  They love to quote/cite Ronald Regan, but as I remember him (I served 8 years in the Army during his presidency, so I was paying attention) he didn't like this kind of stuff, and tended to be low key, and worked toward getting agreement with what he wanted, and building on relationships, rather than using the issue to divide/contrast the parties.  When he wanted to rebuild the military, he did it by bringing in democrats, not alienating them.  I think BOTH sides are working a bit hard to drive wedges, and it is the public that is suffering.   As far as the NPR comment, I don't lean as left as they sometimes do, but I also like a different voice in the news mix, and they provide it.  Public television/radio has given us some excellent programming that the pay versions refuse to bother with.   I personally, stand on the mountain of being an American.  That means, as it did when I was in the military, that I stand behind the President whether I agree with him, like him, or voted for him.  He is not a socialist, or a muslim, or whatever trite denigrating label you want to apply.  He is the President.  He was elected.  He can be voted out when its time.  Meanwhile, I BACK HIM 100% in doing his job.  Oh, and Carlson is an idiot.
    Posted by Davedsone


    Good post.

    I still agree with killa though, that Vick is only doing the things necessary to appear that he is redeeming himself.  Deep down he is a bad person.  As BB Reigns said, what he did was no "accident". 
     
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    He doesnt care about what he did, IMO of course and is only doing this stuff so he can make big time money like he used to. Posted by MVPkilla4life


    MVP, I just don't know what's really in Vick's heart.  It's certainly possible he's doing public service work just to save his reputation and his salary -- or he could be sincere.  We just don't know, though time will probably tell.  My sense (and I don't know why) is he's sincere.  But I could be wrong.  

    As I see it, Vick just grew up or hung out in a culture that wasn't fully aware of the current social norms about dogfighting.  I certainly don't condone dogfighting, but let's be realistic--it's been a popular sport for centuries around the world. And until relatively recently, it was perfectly legal in the US and most other Western countries.  Breeds like the American Pit Bull and Staffordshire Terrier wouldn't even exist if dog fighting hadn't been a popular sport in England and America at one time not all that long ago.  Social norms have a lot to do with what we think is right or wrong, and at one time not all that long ago, the social norms found dogfighting acceptable.  Now those norms have changed--but not every segment of our society is in the same place yet.  Some people still see dogfighting as "cool."  You can point to dozens of sports that are similar, that some people see as fine and others see as brutal--bullfighting, hunting (a sport I practice), boxing . . . and, yes, even football. There's a lot of gray area and not everyone necessarily shares the same opinions. 

    But of course, dogfighting is illegal.  And while social norms can be debated, the law is the law.  Which is why it's perfectly fine for Vick to have gone to jail for what he did.  The question now is whether spending time in jail opened Vick's eyes to the current social norms about dogfighting.  I get a sense that it did . . . but again, I don't really know.  I think time will tell.
     
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    See I dont buy that, he grew up in America in a time when dogfighting was not ok and so all that he grew up in a culture that said it was cool is BS and an excuse. He didnt grow up in Mexico or Africa he grew up in the USA and he knew it was not ok. he also went to college and had a education and knew it was not excepted by most people and he did it anyway, this was not some uneducated gang member like some would have you believe he knew exactly what he was doing and he didnt care because it entertained him. He is a sick sick man.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


    I don't know, MVP.  I lived in Jamaica Plain for a few years and I saw a lot of young guys with Pit Bulls there.  I think there was a bit of dogfighting going on.  I think a lot of people right in good ole Boston thought dogfighting was perfectly fine.  Were they all sickos?  I don't know . . . young men have been known to do stuff like that.  Sometimes it's just testosterone.




     
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    It is possible that Vick has changed his ways. Only time will tell. I hear a lot about how dog fighting was common in Vick's life growing up. The thing that really bothered me the most are the reports that he also thru untrained family pets into the dog fighting ring for amusement. As a dog owner, I can't imagine how anyone could throw their pet in ring where they would most certianly be torn apart. That being said, let's see what he makes of his second chance.   
     
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     I saw a lot of young guys with Pit Bulls there.  I think there was a bit of dogfighting going on.  I think a lot of people right in good ole Boston thought dogfighting was perfectly fine.  Were they all sickos?  I don't know . . . young men have been known to do stuff like that.  Sometimes it's just testosterone



    Man Clinton Portis said something like that and the press was all over him.
     
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    Hey man I understand where you are coming from I just dont buy into it. If they were doing it in Boston then they are scum bags too, there is no way anyone can live in this country and think that dogfighting is considered not a big deal, they might not think its a big deal but there is no way they convinced themselves that outsiders dont care. Mike Vick is a college educated man, he might have grown up in a bad part of town around bad people but he got out, or he should have when he made it to college. He met all kinds of people and some where along the line he would have met someone that would have informed him that dogfighting is not ok, he knew and he did it anyway. This is not some guy is Alabama who didnt know better because thats all he ever knew or whatever this is a grown man who knew it was wrong, who knew people didnt look kindly upon people who did this to dogs and he still gave his friends money to start doing it. So I dont buy it, it might be a good argument for a guy who didnt know better but not for Vick.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life

    And I understand where you're coming from too.  And you may be absolutely right that he should have known better and there's no excuse.  Still, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.  A lot of athletes are kind of arrogant and unthinking -- and Vick may have thought he was invincible.  But if a stay in prison woke him up and changed his attitude, then I'm willing to forgive him for what he did.  It all depends, though, on what's in his heart . . . and I just don't know.

     
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    Neali has a good point, its easy to sit here and say he doesnt need to die for what he did which IMO he didnt need to be executed but i get his point, if Vick had kidnapped my dog and had one of his killer dogs murder my house hold pet I would murder Vick in a heart beat. I might regret it when they throw me in jail lol but i get his point.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


    Thanks MVP. I would regret my jail sentence also. :) Happy New Year.
     
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    My sense (and I don't know why) is he's sincere.  But I could be wrong.   As I see it, Vick just grew up or hung out in a culture that wasn't fully aware of the current social norms about dogfighting.
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    No. Anyone who has been around dogs knows that they love us. So when he hung dogs from a tree because a vet visit after a dog fight would have caused probems, when he saw the fear and terror in that dog's dying eyes, he knew what he was doing was wrong.  And evil.

     
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    “I’m a Christian, I’ve made mistakes myself, I believe fervently in second chances” said Carlson. “But Michael Vick killed dogs, and he did in a heartless and cruel way. I think, personally, he should have been executed for that.” This is the quote that Tucker Carlson gave on a Fox News program.  How ignorant can one person/one network become?  I am very uninterested in whatever Fox News has to say or put on the air, but I could not turn away from this comment.  As many know, Fox News is openly conservative, and seem to make ridiculous statements on a regular basis (Bill O'Reilly). This quote came about after the discussion of President Obama's comments on commending the Eagles for giving Vick a second chance.  The guy is trying to right his wrongs, and I think that most of us agree that Vick was tremendously wrong during his dog fighting days.  I think that he deserves his chance and is doing all the right things in his new opportunity. This is just as bad in my eyes as what Jemelle Hill said on ESPN about Black vs White Quarterbacks.  Tucker Carlson should be more cautious in comments, considering he is representing and associating with a very large news cooperation.
    Posted by elmatador1225

    Yeah, Tucker Carlson said that. This is the same guy who got into an argument with John Stewart of the Daily Show because Stewart accused him of being soft during interviews and a "partisan hack". This bright bulb actually accused Stewart of being the same way and Stewart had to remind him that the Daily Show was a comedy show and did not bill itself as a hard-hitting news show. Carlson apparently still hasn't recovered.

     
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    y cant we all just get along? y is it always the angry traditional fox news conservatives who pull this crapp? yep y we are at it, y not execute jaywalkers, community activists, all illegal aliens and any one else their side has any beef with? speaking of beef, dog meat is a delicious delicacy in most asian cultures!Tongue out
     
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    Vick was prosecuted by the Feds which had strict sentencing guidelines (they were recently relaxed) because the dog fighting ring was an interstate venture involving dog fights in several states all financed by Vick.

    I'm willing to bet that wasn't the case with the other instances you cite.  State courts and local law enforcement can be bought off much easier and connected local lawyers get clients before $$sympathetic Judges$$ for light sentences all the time.

    If the dogs in Vicks enterprise weren't fighting well or were so badly injured they couldn't fight again they were killed. He admitted personal involvement in hanging or drowning several dogs. Hanging or drowning? It'd be more humane to shoot them. Given the size of the operation and the years of operation that could have easily been hundreds of dogs.

    Vick's sentence was actually more than suggested by the guidelines since he failed to completely cooperate with Federal authorities showing he had not accepted responsibility for his actions.

    Prison has nothing to do with rehabilitation. That's lip service for lefties. 

     

     

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    Well, good to see everyone is lining up on the right/left about where I thought they would be.  The comment, independent of politics, is absurd on a few levels.. First, the sentence was commensurate with the crime.  Two years and a career including endorsement money is a huge amount to lose.  Here in PA a kennel owner was cited 80 instances for starving/neglecting his dogs.  As soon as the SPCA officer left, he shot all 80 of them.  NO law against that.  So you tell me, how Vick gets in THAT much trouble, and this guy is clear?  Semantics.  He was punished.  More than a man who killed someone with his car.  A person, mind you, not an animal.  If Vick should not/could not be rehabilitated, the basis for our entire penal system is invalidated.  He wasn't a pedophile.  He had a point of view that was not in keeping with modern society.  He says he sees the error of his ways.  We should believe him until proven wrong.  time.  Meanwhile, I BACK HIM 100% in doing his job. 

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