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    Love Vince...great player and great person for this team. What a Vince - at say 85% - can do for this team is create problems for centers and guards again. If all four injured defensive linemen can come back healthy to this defense  (Kelly, Vince, Smith and Easley)...watch out!
     
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    [QUOTE]Love Vince...great player and great person for this team. What a Vince - at say 85% - can do for this team is create problems for centers and guards again. If all four injured defensive linemen can come back healthy to this defense  (Kelly, Vince, Smith and Easley)...watch out![/QUOTE]

    I wonder who hijacked Mt Hurl?  This doesn't sound like him. A positive and sensical comment about someone one our defense?

     

     
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    [QUOTE]Love Vince...great player and great person for this team. What a Vince - at say 85% - can do for this team is create problems for centers and guards again. If all four injured defensive linemen can come back healthy to this defense  (Kelly, Vince, Smith and Easley)...watch out![/QUOTE]

    I wonder who hijacked Mt Hurl?  This doesn't sound like him. A positive and sensical comment about someone one our defense?

     

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    I always write sensitive things when warranted, unlike you who praised Patrick Chung for years simply because Belichick drafted him...or Tavon Wilson after he made a tackle during preseason of his rookie year.

     
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    I always write sensitive things when warranted, unlike you who praised Patrick Chung for years simply because Belichick drafted him...or Tavon Wilson after he made a tackle during preseason of his rookie year.




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    Good thread.  I was afraid Big Vince was done after that injury, so far things look very positive.  With the way things are shaping up on defense, for Vince to be healthy and in the lineup all season, it will be a pretty intimidating defense for sure.

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    [QUOTE]Love Vince...great player and great person for this team. What a Vince - at say 85% - can do for this team is create problems for centers and guards again. If all four injured defensive linemen can come back healthy to this defense  (Kelly, Vince, Smith and Easley)...watch out![/QUOTE]

    I wonder who hijacked Mt Hurl?  This doesn't sound like him. A positive and sensical comment about someone one our defense?

     

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    I always write sensitive things when warranted, unlike you who praised Patrick Chung for years simply because Belichick drafted him...or Tavon Wilson after he made a tackle during preseason of his rookie year.

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    Wilson had 4 INTs his rookie year.  Chung was a good player here, just injured too much.  You RARELY make any comments that are positive about the team or the D in particular, even if they are Pro Bowl caliber like Vince, Mayo, McCourty or Arrington leading the NFL in INTs in 2011.

    Enjoy your phony existence, Cupcake.

     
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    Why was this great piece on Vince deleted by RKrap's wife? Because it's great, positive news for the Pats???


     


    Vince Wilfork focused on future
    Updated: June 19, 2014, 10:57 PM ET
    By Mike Reiss | ESPNBoston.com
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    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- First came a season-ending ruptured Achilles injury late last September. Then came a contract squabble in the offseason.


    It's been an eventful nine months for New England Patriots defensive lineman Vince Wilfork, who said Thursday that he has no limitations on what he can do physically and has put any hard business-based feelings behind him.


    "I'm not surprised," Wilfork said after the team's final practice of mandatory minicamp, in his first extensive remarks since the injury and his contract negotiation. "I know there are a bunch of stats and everything going against a person my size (6-foot-2, 325 pounds) with the injury. Right now, I can't ask for it to be any better.


    "It was never in my mind that I thought I could never come back from this," he continued. "From the time they told me I did, from the time I had the surgery, I knew that I was going to be back ready to rock and roll. I knew it was going to be tough. I know how tough the injury is, but I tell myself over and over again, I'm not the average person. I just do things a little differently than most people that had this injury, or the size of people that had this injury.


    "I'm going to stick with my guns until I prove myself wrong. That's always going to be my motto. I'm going to be true to myself."


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    Vince Wilfork says the injury that forced him to miss most of 2013 and an ensuing contract squabble are things that he's put in the past.
    Wilfork takes a similar approach from a contract perspective, and there was a time this offseason when his future with the club hung in the sensitive balance. Wilfork ultimately had his contract extended through 2016, but some concessions were made.


    "That's a dead issue. I'm here for a reason," said the longtime team captain. "If I didn't believe the things that were brought to me, I wouldn't have signed it. I'm not upset. I'm not holding any type of grudge. Business is business and everybody handles business in different types of ways.


    "In my career, I think the right thing was for me to be up here with my family and teammates, and a staff I've been around for so long, and an organization I know. It was a smart decision for me and my family to be here. If we think it wouldn't work, we wouldn't be here. That is something that happened a while ago and that's the first time I've actually talked about it. It's a non-issue."


    Asked if he considered the possibility of playing for another team, Wilfork turned to humor.


    "Who knows what might have happened? I could have gotten drafted somewhere else too. It's always something 'what if?' If the if was fifth, we'd all be drunk, right?" Wilfork cracked.


    On a more serious note, Wilfork discussed how 2014 is shaping up to be one of the most meaningful of his 11-year career, starting with being ready for training camp in late July.


    "I think this year is probably going to be one of the most exciting times in my career to actually put pads on and be able to practice. Every year I'm excited but I think this year is going to be a little more special because of what I've been through and how far I came along," he said.


    "I'm very happy. Excited. It's been a long time being able to step out here with the guys. Just to take that step is very important to me. We still have a lot to do, but I'm very confident where I'm at. I'll continue to just get better. It's going to take time but I'm very positive where I'm at right now. [Doctor] Thomas Gill, with the surgery and everything, everything went well. It healed up fine. It's just knocking the rust off.


    "Being away from football a long time, any time you look back at doing something you love, it's always a positive. That's where I'm at right now -- having fun still, still love the game, teammates. I'm just happy to be back."


    Wilfork was asked if he looks at the stats of players who ruptured an Achilles as a source of motivation.


    "Not really," he answered. "Everything has stats, everything you do in life there's always something that says you can't do it or you should be able to do it because of this or whatever it may be. For me, I know my body. I know what it takes to be at the top of my level, the top of my game. I know how hard it's going to be, but I've never shied away from competition or a challenge.


    "This is a big challenge for me, the first time in my career getting sidelined from a major injury. Everything was new to me. It was something I had to learn to do, to be patient and focus on just rehabbing and just building up the strength and confidence to be able to move and play. That confidence is going to continue to get built throughout practices, throughout rehab, throughout strength and conditioning, whatever it may be. It's going to be a growing process.


    "I'm up for the challenge. Like I say, I can't be any happier than where I am right now. As long as everything keeps going the way they're going, I'll be fine"


    Wilfork said by the time training camp arrives, he envisions being "at the point where I'm very, very happy."


    "I'm at a level now back doing something I love to do. I don't take it for granted. I never have, I never will," he said. "Just being out, being away from it, it has you reflect on some things. I did. Any person would, especially at my age (32) or whatever.


    "It's too easy to give up. I'd never give up something up I believe in and that's football and this team. As long as I have my teammates and coaches, supporting me, I'll be fine."


    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/11108421/vince-wilfork-new-england-patriots-says-no-limitations-training-camp


     

     
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    [QUOTE]Love Vince...great player and great person for this team. What a Vince - at say 85% - can do for this team is create problems for centers and guards again. If all four injured defensive linemen can come back healthy to this defense  (Kelly, Vince, Smith and Easley)...watch out![/QUOTE]

    I wonder who hijacked Mt Hurl?  This doesn't sound like him. A positive and sensical comment about someone one our defense?

     

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    I always write sensitive things when warranted, unlike you who praised Patrick Chung for years simply because Belichick drafted him...or Tavon Wilson after he made a tackle during preseason of his rookie year.

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    Wilson had 4 INTs his rookie year.  Chung was a good player here, just injured too much.  You RARELY make any comments that are positive about the team or the D in particular, even if they are Pro Bowl caliber like Vince, Mayo, McCourty or Arrington leading the NFL in INTs in 2011.

    Enjoy your phony existence, Cupcake.

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    Absolutely untrue. I have watched this team for 25 years and enjoyed much of it, however unlike you I don't find myself getting excited over poor/average players just because they were brought in by Bill Belichick (and most likely will soon be let to walk after their contract runs out because of pathetically average performance). I tend to enjoy being objective about things.

    You want to talk about good players?? I can (and have) talked about many on this team. I've said time and again that Vince is a rare player that doesn't come around very often. I've praised Jaime Collins to no end for nearly a year. My favorite player on defense is Chandler Jones. Mayo and McCourty are solid players. Dennard is a solid player. Revis is a game changer. Browner should help this team and Nink is solid. On offense we have a couple of real good offensive linemen - Solder has all world ability - and Vollmer (when healthy is a top five right tackle). Gronk is one of the best players in the entire nfl and Brady is a top five quarterback. 

    The problem is none of that is good enough for you, unless you praise every single player on this team to no end you are miserable....that's just weird. Sorry if I'm not ready to put Amendola into the hall of fame...or Vareen. So yeah I could care less that Wilson got 4 interceptions his rookie year, I see what he is...and Chung was never "good". Sorry.

     
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    [QUOTE]Love Vince...great player and great person for this team. What a Vince - at say 85% - can do for this team is create problems for centers and guards again. If all four injured defensive linemen can come back healthy to this defense  (Kelly, Vince, Smith and Easley)...watch out![/QUOTE]

    I wonder who hijacked Mt Hurl?  This doesn't sound like him. A positive and sensical comment about someone one our defense?

     

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    I always write sensitive things when warranted, unlike you who praised Patrick Chung for years simply because Belichick drafted him...or Tavon Wilson after he made a tackle during preseason of his rookie year.

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    Wilson had 4 INTs his rookie year.  Chung was a good player here, just injured too much.  You RARELY make any comments that are positive about the team or the D in particular, even if they are Pro Bowl caliber like Vince, Mayo, McCourty or Arrington leading the NFL in INTs in 2011.

    Enjoy your phony existence, Cupcake.

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    Absolutely untrue. I have watched this team for 25 years and enjoyed much of it, however unlike you I don't find myself getting excited over poor/average players just because they were brought in by Bill Belichick (and most likely will soon be let to walk after their contract runs out because of pathetically average performance). I tend to enjoy being objective about things.

    You want to talk about good players?? I can (and have) talked about many on this team. I've said time and again that Vince is a rare player that doesn't come around very often. I've praised Jaime Collins to no end for nearly a year. My favorite player on defense is Chandler Jones. Mayo and McCourty are solid players. Dennard is a solid player. Revis is a game changer. Browner should help this team and Nink is solid. On offense we have a couple of real good offensive linemen - Solder has all world ability - and Vollmer (when healthy is a top five right tackle). Gronk is one of the best players in the entire nfl and Brady is a top five quarterback. 

    The problem is none of that is good enough for you, unless you praise every single player on this team to no end you are miserable....that's just weird. Sorry if I'm not ready to put Amendola into the hall of fame...or Vareen. So yeah I could care less that Wilson got 4 interceptions his rookie year, I see what he is...and Chung was never "good". Sorry.

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    False.  When Chung and Spikes went down late in 2011 at once, the D which was pitching shutouts through halves at home like vs Dallas or the Giants even with Brady tossing wild INTS left and right, I said the D would need them both back to be where they can be at their best, which was true.  Obviously, not a great D by any stretch, but a good run D, a tough D that battled and created turnovers.

    Voila, Spikes and Chung return down the middle and Spikes has a what should have been, a game sealing INT with just even a FG and 2-3 minutes off the clock by our offense, with all the momentum in the world. In the SB, they were also very good as well, holding the Giants to 13 points and setting up numerous chances in the 4th qtr for us to get a FG to ice it.  

    No one claimed they were great players, but you act like they offered nothing of substance when on the field and it just isn't true.

    The continuity Spikes and Chung provided, including physicality, were big to that defense.

    So, while Chung is limited, you acted all offended as if he was some terrible player. His problems centered around not having good range and always being hurt.  Frustrating,  but you acted like he had no talent and nothing to offer because you think the millisecond a Pats player is in here, they must be a HOFer or they're not worthy.

    I pointed this out with Nink having better stats than Mike Vrabel through the first 5 years of each's tenure too, yet you want to call Nink just "solid". Laughable.  Did you call Vrabel "solid"? I didn't. I remember Bears fans talking about lucky we were to have such a good player and how underrated he was. I concurred.   Meanwhile, he's probably the most underrated player on defense in the entire conference. Since 2010, he's led all D Linemen in turnovers created. Put that in your pipe.

    It's players like that who have been under-appreciated here because they aren't superstars and have been part of an upward trend of a young D.  It's also players like that who will now be considered "good" with additions like Revis, Browner and maybe even Anderson, where they are in a role that allows them to thrive.

    Arrington is another example of this, where he's good, but has needed some help, mostly so he can play inside vs outside. He led the NFL in INTs in 2011.  He plays a heck of a nickel, but injuries to others forced him outside, where he is vulnerable to the larger WR just like a Brent Grimes or any smaller CB would. It's like you don't watch the rest of the NFL.

    Even the other day when RKrap claims Hightower is disappointing because he claims to know BB will take him off the field on every 3rd down all year long, where that's scheme specific and/or very good LBs in this league might get pulled as well.  Watch the NFL instead of acting like you don't. Who knows, maybe you don't.

    You act like every single player has to be a 5 tool star on D to be considered helpful to the overall goal, which is keeping points off the board.

    You also have mocked BB here for years and years unwilling (or intellectually incapable as a grown man) to understand a shopping spree in 2009 or 2010 meant a death knell like the Jets are experiencing. I suggested you be prepared for a rebuild on the fly repeatedly, and you just all but rooted for the Jets. The board laughed at you and still does.

    Meanwhile, bad luck or inexperience has been the only two things keeping us out of SBs, yet you act like BB personally victimized you.

    95% of fanbases, if not more like 98% of fanbases over the past decade+, would absolutely love what we are witnessing overall.

    No NFL team is going to have All Pros all over a defense, especially in an offensive era. It's just so simple. Your anger should be directed towards the offense, one in which has failed miserably to play well when the team and fans needed it to. 

    The D cannot be the side of the ball always under the gun to bail out a poor offense in every playoff game.

    This is why you have nowhere to run this year with this D on paper, which should be lights out, to the moon and back with the youth, athleticism, experience and now, veteran additions.

    If you call yourself a fan of this team, you sure have a very strange way of supporting the defensive players who leave it all on the field every week.

     

     
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    [QUOTE]Love Vince...great player and great person for this team. What a Vince - at say 85% - can do for this team is create problems for centers and guards again. If all four injured defensive linemen can come back healthy to this defense  (Kelly, Vince, Smith and Easley)...watch out!





    I wonder who hijacked Mt Hurl?  This doesn't sound like him. A positive and sensical comment about someone one our defense?


     


     


     


     




    I always write sensitive things when warranted, unlike you who praised Patrick Chung for years simply because Belichick drafted him...or Tavon Wilson after he made a tackle during preseason of his rookie year.


     


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    Wilson had 4 INTs his rookie year.  Chung was a good player here, just injured too much.  You RARELY make any comments that are positive about the team or the D in particular, even if they are Pro Bowl caliber like Vince, Mayo, McCourty or Arrington leading the NFL in INTs in 2011.


     


    Enjoy your phony existence, Cupcake.


     


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    Absolutely untrue. I have watched this team for 25 years and enjoyed much of it, however unlike you I don't find myself getting excited over poor/average players just because they were brought in by Bill Belichick (and most likely will soon be let to walk after their contract runs out because of pathetically average performance). I tend to enjoy being objective about things.


     


    You want to talk about good players?? I can (and have) talked about many on this team. I've said time and again that Vince is a rare player that doesn't come around very often. I've praised Jaime Collins to no end for nearly a year. My favorite player on defense is Chandler Jones. Mayo and McCourty are solid players. Dennard is a solid player. Revis is a game changer. Browner should help this team and Nink is solid. On offense we have a couple of real good offensive linemen - Solder has all world ability - and Vollmer (when healthy is a top five right tackle). Gronk is one of the best players in the entire nfl and Brady is a top five quarterback. 


     


    The problem is none of that is good enough for you, unless you praise every single player on this team to no end you are miserable....that's just weird. Sorry if I'm not ready to put Amendola into the hall of fame...or Vareen. So yeah I could care less that Wilson got 4 interceptions his rookie year, I see what he is...and Chung was never "good". Sorry.


     


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    False.  When Chung and Spikes went down late in 2011 at once, the D which was pitching shutouts through halves at home like vs Dallas or the Giants even with Brady tossing wild INTS left and right, I said the D would need them both back to be where they can be at their best, which was true.  Obviously, not a great D by any stretch, but a good run D, a tough D that battled and created turnovers.


     


    Voila, Spikes and Chung return down the middle and Spikes has a what should have been, a game sealing INT with just even a FG and 2-3 minutes off the clock by our offense, with all the momentum in the world. In the SB, they were also very good as well, holding the Giants to 13 points and setting up numerous chances in the 4th qtr for us to get a FG to ice it.  


     


    No one claimed they were great players, but you act like they offered nothing of substance when on the field and it just isn't true.


     


    The continuity Spikes and Chung provided, including physicality, were big to that defense.


     


    So, while Chung is limited, you acted all offended as if he was some terrible player. His problems centered around not having good range and always being hurt.  Frustrating,  but you acted like he had no talent and nothing to offer because you think the millisecond a Pats player is in here, they must be a HOFer or they're not worthy.


     


    I pointed this out with Nink having better stats than Mike Vrabel through the first 5 years of each's tenure too, yet you want to call Nink just "solid". Laughable.  Did you call Vrabel "solid"? I didn't. I remember Bears fans talking about lucky we were to have such a good player and how underrated he was. I concurred.   Meanwhile, he's probably the most underrated player on defense in the entire conference. Since 2010, he's led all D Linemen in turnovers created. Put that in your pipe.


     


    It's players like that who have been under-appreciated here because they aren't superstars and have been part of an upward trend of a young D.  It's also players like that who will now be considered "good" with additions like Revis, Browner and maybe even Anderson, where they are in a role that allows them to thrive.


     


    Arrington is another example of this, where he's good, but has needed some help, mostly so he can play inside vs outside. He led the NFL in INTs in 2011.  He plays a heck of a nickel, but injuries to others forced him outside, where he is vulnerable to the larger WR just like a Brent Grimes or any smaller CB would. It's like you don't watch the rest of the NFL.


     


    Even the other day when RKrap claims Hightower is disappointing because he claims to know BB will take him off the field on every 3rd down all year long, where that's scheme specific and/or very good LBs in this league might get pulled as well.  Watch the NFL instead of acting like you don't. Who knows, maybe you don't.


     


    You act like every single player has to be a 5 tool star on D to be considered helpful to the overall goal, which is keeping points off the board.


     


    You also have mocked BB here for years and years unwilling (or intellectually incapable as a grown man) to understand a shopping spree in 2009 or 2010 meant a death knell like the Jets are experiencing. I suggested you be prepared for a rebuild on the fly repeatedly, and you just all but rooted for the Jets. The board laughed at you and still does.


     


    Meanwhile, bad luck or inexperience has been the only two things keeping us out of SBs, yet you act like BB personally victimized you.


     


    95% of fanbases, if not more like 98% of fanbases over the past decade+, would absolutely love what we are witnessing overall.


     


    No NFL team is going to have All Pros all over a defense, especially in an offensive era. It's just so simple. Your anger should be directed towards the offense, one in which has failed miserably to play well when the team and fans needed it to. 


     


    The D cannot be the side of the ball always under the gun to bail out a poor offense in every playoff game.


     


    This is why you have nowhere to run this year with this D on paper, which should be lights out, to the moon and back with the youth, athleticism, experience and now, veteran additions.


     


    If you call yourself a fan of this team, you sure have a very strange way of supporting the defensive players who leave it all on the field every week.


     


     


     


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    I'd say 70% of this rant is false, 20% of it is lies and 10% is lunatic twist. You overate players on this team because it fits your agenda, plain and pathetically simple. It's why you are a terrible poster.


     


    Truth is there are "solid" players all over the NFL, you hear about very few of them because their teams can't win because of the lousy quarterback they have leading their team...or coach. Yet here you run around praising guys like Arrington and Chung who both contributed to one of the worst secondaries in football over the last five years. It's disturbing that a grown man would do such a thing...especially one with a 152 IQ and Galaxy s4 phone. lol!


     


    And I never mentioned a thing about Spikes or Nink, I think they are both solid...you want to claim nink is more than solid, then define "solid". Solid to me is a regular contributor who beats the guy in front of him more than he gets beat himself. A solid player is not a pro bowler, but an important guy you rely on every week...not a difference maker, but a guy who provides more than some marginal backup. A guy the coach knows is going to do his job the way he coached it. That sounds like Nink to me. Where as it does NOT sound like Arrington or Chung...those two screw up like it's their job...and you just love that, don't you?

     
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    Why was this great piece on Vince deleted by RKrap's wife? Because it's great, positive news for the Pats???





    Stuff like this is why people don't like you.  You take something that you know is not true and you run with it forever. Your act is old, you are a fraud, nobody here cares for you.   You are as irrelevant here as you are irrelevant to the world in your real life.

     
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    Why was this great piece on Vince deleted by RKrap's wife? Because it's great, positive news for the Pats???


     


     





    Stuff like this is why people don't like you.  You take something that you know is not true and you run with it forever. Your act is old, you are a fraud, nobody here cares for you.   You are as irrelevant here as you are irrelevant to the world in your real life.


     


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    "The problem is none of that is good enough for you, unless you praise every single player on this team to no end you are miserable....that's just weird."

     

    Not named Brady. That insubordinate chithead has single handedly lost us every playoff game since 2004. Great players like Hobbs, Chung and Arrington have left it all out there on the field while stat-hore pretty boy changes plays and leaves the field with less than a 10 point lead....pathetic.

     
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    "The problem is none of that is good enough for you, unless you praise every single player on this team to no end you are miserable....that's just weird."

     

    Not named Brady. That insubordinate chithead has single handedly lost us every playoff game since 2004. Great players like Hobbs, Chung and Arrington have left it all out there on the field while stat-hore pretty boy changes plays and leaves the field with less than a 10 point lead....pathetic.

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    And let's not forget his wife...she has single handily destroyed our third down defense. That is a fact.

     

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