Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

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    Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    I read that any team that trades for Jackson needs to have the current cap space to absorb his contract. They can't just have a 'good faith' agreement to restructure.

    That is probably making it hard for teams to trade for him right now and his 10+ million contract. Most clubs are crossing their fingers he is released. If so, Eagles get nothing. The Eagles are a playoff team and need solid players. Would they take Amendola, a 4th rd pick and their own 6th rd pick we own back for Jackson?

     

     

     
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    Re: Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    Vince can be extended at like 3 years 18 million and be given a big 'thanks for everything you did here' guaranteed amount of 12 million or so.

    His base in '14 though is only 4 million guaranteed with some injury related bonus/incentives. That frees up 7-8 million in cap space. Then like two 7m/4m guaranteed years after that.

    A McCourty extension could also free up 2-3 million in space.

    Jackson is small but goes DEEP. Edelman plays 50-50 inside and outside. So does Jackson. LaFell and Kenbrell/Boyce can play all over as 3rd and 4th WR options. Dobson can start the year on the 6 week PUP if needed to make sure that foot is 100% healed. Can't mess around there.

    Get a legit #2 option TE in the draft like Amaro or Sefarian-Jenkins and Brady will be absolutely giddy.

     

     
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    Re: Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    Jackson at $10 million is not worth it!

     
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    Re: Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    In response to rameakap's comment:

    Vince can be extended at like 3 years 18 million and be given a big 'thanks for everything you did here' guaranteed amount of 12 million or so.

    His base in '14 though is only 4 million guaranteed with some injury related bonus/incentives. That frees up 7-8 million in cap space. Then like two 7m/4m guaranteed years after that.

    A McCourty extension could also free up 2-3 million in space.

    Jackson is small but goes DEEP. Edelman plays 50-50 inside and outside. So does Jackson. LaFell and Kenbrell/Boyce can play all over as 3rd and 4th WR options. Dobson can start the year on the 6 week PUP if needed to make sure that foot is 100% healed. Can't mess around there.

    Get a legit #2 option TE in the draft like Amaro or Sefarian-Jenkins and Brady will be absolutely giddy.

     



    They should def re-up Vince at those numbers.  That would be awesome!

     
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    Re: Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    Why get a guy who's specialty is to go deep, while TB's specialty is short to intermiediate throws? It's a waste of money if we can't use him to his full potential. It's not gonna happen.

     
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    Re: Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    Desean's strength isn't what Brady throws and that's a deep ball! Jackson is going to the Jets so he can chill with Vick. Not that it makes any difference because the Jets will still be the Jets.

     
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    Re: Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    In response to rameakap's comment:

    I read that any team that trades for Jackson needs to have the current cap space to absorb his contract. They can't just have a 'good faith' agreement to restructure.

    That is probably making it hard for teams to trade for him right now and his 10+ million contract. Most clubs are crossing their fingers he is released. If so, Eagles get nothing. The Eagles are a playoff team and need solid players. Would they take Amendola, a 4th rd pick and their own 6th rd pick we own back for Jackson?

     

     I think we should trade Brady straight up for him or maybe Brady and Revis. I think the Eagles would take that and with the cap relief the Pats could get even more weapons for Brady to throw too...




     
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    Re: Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    Amendola is UNMOVEABLE at this point.

    To cut or trade him would INCREASE his cap hit by about 400k because of the signing bonus.

    You CAN cut a player and absord SOME dead money to get the cap savings...Amendola offers a negative cap savings, he's cheaper to keep than get rid of.

    Amendola will be in NE for 2014 unless he goes Hernandez or Katzenmoyer.

     
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    Re: Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    In response to APpats22's comment:

    Why get a guy who's specialty is to go deep, while TB's specialty is short to intermiediate throws? It's a waste of money if we can't use him to his full potential. It's not gonna happen.



    He averages 16 yards a catch, not 40. Similar to Dobson.

    Brady hit Dobson on the money several times this season 25-30 yards down the field, and also several times Dobson dropped the ball. Brady was 5-17 throwing it between 30-40 yards last season with an average of about 16 yards gained and a QB rating of about 100.

    I'd say half of those 12 incompletes were rookie WR's dropping the ball. 

    Brady did throw 21+ yards 65 times for only 15 completions. But with Jackson on this team I would say he'd throw 80-90 passes deep, almost double his completions (25-30) and 15-20 of those would be to DeSean.

    Jackson meanwhile caught 18 receptions behind the line of scrimmage. He's a threat on screens and would give McDaniels a perfect toy for some of his favorite plays. Jackson caught 52 receptions in TB's money zone of 0-20 yards and only 12 passes 21+ yards.

    If he were here, look for 2 targets and 1 catch per game 25+ yards. 1-2 screens called for him per game and 3 catches in 4-5 targets in the 5-15 range. 70-85 receptions, 1,050-1,250 yards and 8-11 TD's.

     
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    Re: Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    In response to ma6dragon9's comment:

    Amendola is UNMOVEABLE at this point.

    To cut or trade him would INCREASE his cap hit by about 400k because of the signing bonus.

    You CAN cut a player and absord SOME dead money to get the cap savings...Amendola offers a negative cap savings, he's cheaper to keep than get rid of.

    Amendola will be in NE for 2014 unless he goes Hernandez or Katzenmoyer.



    Really?

    Amendola is scheduled to make 3m-4m-5m-6m over the next 4 years with 500k a year in games played incentives and only 2 million guaranteed (all in '14).

    Jackson is scheduled to make 10.5m-9.75m-9.75m over the next 3 years. That is why the Eagles may cut him.

    They are the same age.

    In the last 4 years Jackson has 232 receptions, 21 TD's and missed 8 games.

    Amendola has 207 receptions, 8 TD's and has missed 24 games.

    Yes, Amendola has a hard time staying on the field. But the Eagles are a playoff team and would need to find a way to replace Jackson, which is why they are looking trade instead of cutting him. If DA simply had a 55/650/2 season in 12 games next year, which is what he did this past year in NE, is that not worth 30% of the cost of Jackson?

    If the Pats offered Danny and a 4th rd pick, the Eagles would essentially be taking a 1 year gamble they get a healthy Amendola, could use the pick on a deep threat in a draft full of WR's, and save 7.5 million dollars.

    After next season they either have Amendola for 3/15 (instead of Jackson for 2/19.5) or they cut him and it costs them nothing except maybe a 500k games played bonus.

     
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    Re: Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    Just extend Vince (and maybe McCourty) and include Amendola in the trade and you have the space to get him. being giving a 4th rd comp pick makes our own 4th and maybe one of of our two 6ths expendable. 

    Once he is here you can restructure and extend the 3/30 left on his deal, virtually none of which is guaranteed, to like 5/37.5 or just a tad more than Decker got. With say 5.5 counting on the '14 cap that gives the Pats another 5 million to play with.

    Could that be enough for Jared Allen? Probably not. But it should be enough (once Adrian Wilson is cut) to sign veteran safety Thomas DeCloud, who was cut by the Falcons and is good for 75 tackles, 2-3 INT's and 1-2 FF/FR a year. Chris Clemons is another FA safety still on the market.

     
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    Re: Vince restructure + Amendola (3m base/4.5m cap hit) = $ for Jackson?

    In response to APpats22's comment:

    Why get a guy who's specialty is to go deep, while TB's specialty is short to intermiediate throws? It's a waste of money if we can't use him to his full potential. It's not gonna happen.




    +1

    It would mean Brady would have to hold the ball in the pocket longer. Against a team with a good pass rush he'd either get squashed, have to dump off to the safety valve or throw it away. Either way the long ball game would be rendered ineffective.

     
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