Vollmer listed #7 best rookie-but I think he is better than that

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    From what I have seen to this date, Sebatian has played as well as Jake Long has for Miami.  Great Left OTs are the third hardest player to find in the NFL. This kid is the best I have seen so far for our Team.
     
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    To anybody who praised Vollmer before the draft, and suggested him as a second round pick, please repost your original post(s) here. I hear a lot of people acting like they were Vollmer experts and fans long before the draft. Anybody? Anybody? I thought so...
    Posted by arodrambone


    What I remember about the reaction to this kid's selection is a lot of "Belichick's staff must know something a lot of other people don't know," which is pretty much par for the course around here. I think people who expected him to do well because Belichicki expected him to do well can be excused for now claiming to be "Vollmer Guys" when what they really are are "Belichick Guys."
     
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    To ALL:

    ~RE: "To those that blasted the Vollmer pick...".  That would be meeee...and yup, I was an idiot.  It's been an ongoing and ever redundant attempt of admittance since I started watching fooball as a child and rootin' for the Pats, That There really might be (at least 1 or 2 tops) some NFL Coaches that know more about Football than myself...  RE: Vollmer, In my defense, I less criticized the man himself, but the fact that it was an enormous "reach"...  IF ANYthing kills me about BBs drafting accolades, It's that He rarely pulls the trigger on "value" picks, Draftees that He has on his board and who have slid down the Overall League Draft Day Board...  I guess BB tends to pinpoint the guys he wants as an almost certainty on his team, and largely irregardless of their projected positional rd, He scoops them up...  Coming to terms, coming to terms....Winningest team this decade Laz, take a breath and repeat underlined mantra from above.

    Next to Maualuga, The second player I coveted most was Hakeem Nicks.  I still think He would have made an excellent Patriot #2 WR...  Everything I read about him during last draft, seemed and still seems to fit that bill:  Good head on his shoulders, Good work ethic, and read time and time again that He ran the most precise Routes out of all the other WR Draftees.  Not an archetypal physical speciman of an NFL WR...not a blazer...just a good reliable possession wideout that will work hard, and always be where ya want him to be...  Unfortunately, speaking of value picks vs reaches. Even IF BB drafted Nicks, with the windfall run on WRs early on in last year's draft, Belichick would have had to use his 1st rder to get him (I had him in early o mid 2nd rd)...& even though I liked him, This was too high, too much $, and would have hindered all BB's subsequent trades-for, imo, a rookie #2 possession receiver...
     
    In the end, VERY happy Vollmer was listed...I can't imagine 3rd Rd Rookie O-Lineman get alot of press...  BUT somewhat disappointed in this article's author in the sense that He's included two 3rd rders, one 4th rder...while EVERYone else was a 1st or 2nd rder (simply ticking of the first 3 guys after going on the NFL.com Rookie category and stats page, isn't exactly investigative or even in-depth journalism)...  Should've done the further research to show at least a few players that were downright mid to late-rd steals thus far...hidden gems, ala undrafted Brandon McGowan. 
     
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    Don't forget BB had a extra month ( no playoffs ) to prepare for the draft. Normally we are playiing right up to Feb / superbowl.

     
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    Laz, Your point about Hicks is a good one but Brandon Tate was also a steal. I did not watch much UNC football but what I've read Tate was the better receiver between the two before he got hurt. I know they put him on the IR after only playing for a few games but he showed great potential. It is not a bad thing to have Edelman and Tate coming into camp next year learning from the best receiver tandem in the league.
    Although I don't see Tate ever really being a number one.  I still think that they need to start thinking of finding a possible 81 replacement (If that even exists) but for the most part our receiving crop is looking great.
     
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    To anybody who praised Vollmer before the draft, and suggested him as a second round pick, please repost your original post(s) here. I hear a lot of people acting like they were Vollmer experts and fans long before the draft. Anybody? Anybody? I thought so...
    Posted by arodrambone


    This is why I posted kudos to the scouts, because most of us never heard of this guy before the draft.
     
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    In Response to Re: Vollmer listed #7 best rookie-but I think he is better than that : What I remember about the reaction to this kid's selection is a lot of "Belichick's staff must know something a lot of other people don't know," which is pretty much par for the course around here. I think people who expected him to do well because Belichicki expected him to do well can be excused for now claiming to be "Vollmer Guys" when what they really are are "Belichick Guys."
    Posted by prairiemike


    Eggs-actly!  Most of us didn't know who he was...not familiar with the Houston roster and/or team in general.  However, there were tons of Pats fans that went sour, once a pick was spent on Vollmer.  Personally, I mmediately noticed the size and athleticism (i.e. people this big normally don't play soccer) and noticed that he actually hasn't played football as long as most US-born Americans.  Already, he had bubbled up to arrive on the Pat's radar early on.  This was significant.  However, in retrospect, so many Pats fans were buggin' out on this pick.
     
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    Interesting thread
    (personally I liked the SeaBass pick ~ but believed he could have been had a bit later in the draft )

    The following is a reprint of an earlier post of mine
    (thought it might be fittting considering the topic )

    Shortly after the Pats 2009 Draft ~
    I got curious as to to the where , what & how's of BB's wheelin' n dealin'.
    So I charted the moves to help understand what he was up to .

    Here it is :

    PATRIOTS 2009 DRAFT TRADES :

    A ) Cassel / Vrabel trade = Db Patrick Chung ( # 34 overall )

    B ) Moving back twice in 1st round ( trades with Ravens # 23 & Packers # 26 ) =

    Db Darius Butler( # 41 ), Wr Brandon Tate ( # 83 ) , Qb J Edelman ( # 232 ) & also resulted in aquiring 2010 Jags 2nd rounder

    It also made E Hobbs expendable ( Butler pick ) Which resulted in the two aquired Eagle's picks being parlayed into :

    OT Ohrnberger ( # 123 ) & LS Jake Ingram ( # 198 )

    C ) Pats second 2nd rounder (acquired via 2008 Chargers trade : # 47 overall )

    Was then packaged with 4th & 6th rounders to Raiders = Ron Brace ( # 40 )

    D ) Pats trade their natural 3rd rounder to Titans for 2010 2nd rounder .

    ( currently no worse than #35 overall )

    Total of 7 Draft related trades = 7 players ( plus two 2010 2nd rounders )

    ( 5 other players aquired via natural draft position selection / compensatory )
    = 12 Overall Draft picks

    Note :
    Tyrone McKenzie ( # 97 ) was selected with 3rd round compensatory pick

    George Bussey ( 170 ) was a 5th round comp pick
    Myron Pryer ( 207 ) was a 6th round comp pick

    ( Comp Picks were awarded for loss of Asante Samuel / D. Stalworth )

    Of the 7 officially designated picks -

    The Pats used only their natural 2nd rounder ( Volmer # 58 )

    and natural 7th rounder( Daryl Richards # 234 ) .


    2009 DRAFT = 12 Players
    ( 2 DB's / 3 DT 's / 3 O-Line / 1 LB / 1 WR / 1QB / 1 LS )


    Amazingly ... ALL are still Patriots
    ( as of 10 /31 / 09 )

    FINAL 2009 PATS DRAFT SELECTIONS :

    2 34 Patrick Chung, S, Oregon

    2 40 Ron Brace, DL, Boston College

    2 41 Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut

    2 58 Sebastian Vollmer, OL, Houston

    3 83 Brandon Tate, WR, North Carolina

    3 97 Tyrone McKenzie, LB, South Florida

    4 123 Rich Ohrnberger, OL, Penn State

    5 170 George Bussey, OL, Louisville

    6 198 Jake Ingram, LS, Hawaii

    6 207 Myron Pryor, DT, Kentucky

    7 232 Julian Edelman, WR, Kent

    7 234 Darryl Richard, DL, Georgia Tech


     
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    Laz, Your point about Hicks is a good one but Brandon Tate was also a steal. I did not watch much UNC football but what I've read Tate was the better receiver between the two before he got hurt. I know they put him on the IR after only playing for a few games but he showed great potential. It is not a bad thing to have Edelman and Tate coming into camp next year learning from the best receiver tandem in the league. Although I don't see Tate ever really being a number one.  I still think that they need to start thinking of finding a possible 81 replacement (If that even exists) but for the most part our receiving crop is looking great.
    Posted by Jason4444444


    Jason and ALL:

    ~Read the same thing RE: Brandon Tate being the better of the 2 (vs Hakeem Nicks)and Hopefully you're correct in that Tate makes an adequate #2 WR for the Pats
    (Edelman seems more the slot and a great Welker clone)...  In ALL though, Not really versed on true specifics about Tate's WR abilities:  Specifically things like route-trees, and perhaps overall work-ethic (although here, IF targeted by BB, usually dedication and motivation will be very good).  BUT, IMO, I still hope Belichick targets a true #2 Reliable Possession Receiver in the 2010 Draft with 1 of his 2nd rders...

    The Pats IMO have 4 really critical needs, 2 on offense and 2 on Defense... 

    On Defense: First and Foremost (with the first 2nd rd pick), Dear Lord a weakside OLB 3-4 pass-rushing specialist (a void STILL unfilled about 5 years post Willie Mac)-EVERYONE seems to like TCU's Jerry Hughes, BUT He's long gone before Pats pick, and so Next IMO is the pass-rushing OLB kid from Texas A&M named Von Miller  If I recall his stats- he runs a 4.60 flat 40 (6'2 and 240-so he needs about 15 extra lbs), But Miller has something like-over 18 TFLs & I believe 15 Sacks-and A&M doesn't play many slouch teams). 

    Next on D is a decent Defensive End-Again, Loving this quality and hard-working DT/DE from Penn State, Jared Odrick, BUT by the time the Pats get to DE (imo can wait until their last 2nd rder-4th pick for Pats), He'll be far gone, so Next (ideally still there in 2nd rd) I'd take NorthWestern's Corey Wooten-not a QB sack machine, but a 6'7 decent run-stuffing 3-4 DE that'll do his job ala Ty Warren.

    On Offense:  First and Foremost above ALL else (1st rd-first of Pat's picks), GET a quality RunningBack to keep opposing D's even slightly honest-hopefully one that absolutely can run hard between the tackles (Bigger Backs have been the best backs under BB's and TB's tenure in N.E.) AND NOT just a short-yardage guy-but one that can break open a play-There's been a love-affair infatuation with Georgia Tech's Jonathen Dwyer, and man, I got it too-This kid's roughly 6'1, and @ 230 lbs, runs hard in the middle, has excellent balance and footwork, and is just suprisingly fast and elusive in the open-field-IMO, the other top 4 RBs don't even closely compare to Pat's needs and how this kid can potentially fit N.E.'s style.  

    Finally, IMO the last of 4 real needs is getting that decent #2 WR for Tom Brady as Belichick tried to do last year before Minnesotta "stole" BB's prospect 1 spot before Pat's 1st pick...  In all, I'm completely sold on Minnesota's Eric Decker for a number of reasons (even though there's been a big run on getting the good WRs early in the draft, Pats could in all probability get Decker with their first 2nd rd pick-Pat's #2 selection).  Decker has the key attributes I'd look for in a good #2 wideout-excellent hands and runs NFL quality route trees-not to mention He's supposedly a ridiculously hard and motivated worker with a good head on his shoulders...  The other WRs just don't stack up and fit what the Pat's need are here imho:  USC's Damian Williams-definately long gone by BB's selection and inflated skills/numbers being on USC's pro style offense; Dez Bryant-when I keep reading "all the physical skills on earth" AND "concentration lapses" over and over together, I get scared as he!!  He could be the next Chad Johnson and the next Ochocinco, OR He could easily be like former Patriot, Chad Jackson, El zipo... I like LSU's Brandon Lafell, and somewhat less-so, Illinois's Arrelious Benn, BUT (still tasting the Chad Jackson failure), I gotta go with Eric Decker's supposed excellent game-play preciseness, head, and overall work ethic over 2 guys with just somewhat better numbers and straight-line speed...

    ~Sorry for the ADD-esque run-on Jason-in a thread not even about the Draft OR Pat's WRs lol...(but the NFL Draft is somewhat a mixture of Christmas and Heaven for Football Fans).  Yea, really time to get some sleep.

    Thoughts ANYONE?
       
     
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    To anybody who praised Vollmer before the draft, and suggested him as a second round pick, please repost your original post(s) here. I hear a lot of people acting like they were Vollmer experts and fans long before the draft. Anybody? Anybody? I thought so...
    Posted by arodrambone


    lol good post
     
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