Warnings Were Out

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    Re: Warnings Were Out

    "I thought the whole arguement was that Lawfirm wasn't good enough to put the game into his hands over Brady's.  Even in the arguments I never seen anyone say they wanted more passing but that is what the team was best at."

    Yup - the debate gets more interesting when you talk about a below average back getting the ball. 

    Also - Buffalo's run D was terrible, Baltimore's was excellent.

    So there are some major nuances Rusty glossed over. 

    Bottom line is all of us want a running game as effective as the one we had today. All of us. The differences come in when we have: 

    a. not good enough backs (Woodhead, BJGE), in which case the debate splinters off into whether the back is good enough and/or whether we should run it even if the back isn't effective just to keep the defense honest, and/or

    b. we face a team that is stuffing our run, whether we have talent or not, in which case there is more debate on whether we have the talent or whether we should run to keep the defense honest

    Rusty drastically oversimplified the issues as he enjoys the futile attempt to be 100 percent right in some part of our life, and unfortunately we are the victims of his absolutism. 

    Yeah we all want to run like we did today - betting there isn't one person here who thinks we should pass more. 

    When you score 52 points you won't hear much disagreement about offense. 

    So of course Rusty will defend a flawed defensive performance instead. 

    That said I give our defense a B- as they made some big plays and had some key plays when they had to. 

     
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    In response to Patsman3's comment:
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    OMG give it a rest with the no one wants a running game Rusty.  What a surprise when they run the ball well you come out here and post.  When they were stuffed in Balt. last week, you were no where to be found talking about the running game. 

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    +1

     

    That's how he rolls.

     
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  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from LazarusintheSanatorium. Show LazarusintheSanatorium's posts

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    No...wrong.  There were PLENTY of posters whom wanted NE to pass-  To Pass:  To either base the greater emphasis of NE's Offence surrounding the spread, shotgun, passing game, and/or to simply continue to shortchange the running game, by passing the ball, and constructing NE's Offense AROUND passing the football, on the very same high degree of percentage of Offensive plays, downs, and overall drives. 

    The argument that BJGE s#cked so bad, that NE could never even hope to do such a thing, Became a watered down step-back of those in this camp of fans.  The bashing on Rusty, and Rusty's bashing of Brady's postseason and/or big-game prowess, became an unfortunate further offshoot of where both hard-lined camps eventually ended up to. 

    I was, and STILL remain, 100% in the gameclock, ball-control, multi-dimensional approach- 1 which affords greater situational benefits by affecting lengthy, gameplay controling drives, affording NE's Defense the Situational Football benefits of both icing the opposing squad's starting Offensive Units, while alloting for the additional rest, less wear, more time for adjustments, and less heat and weight on their shoulders, To: NE's Defense.  While likewise, affording NE's Offense, the FAR greater capabilities to be in the position to call & execute plays through a larger multi-dimensional, greater scope, in terms of keeping the opposing D more honest to the fact of having a lesser foreknowledge RE: plays (run vs pass), and the play-direction that these plays (any given 1, on any given attempt) might be headed; While finally (at the same time for NE's O)- Opening up the greater realm of potential and better capability, to hold on to a lead and/or simply finish off the opposition through this greater commitment to pounding the ball & chipping away at any given opponent in a more PRO-active approach on Offense (O-Line playing proactive smashmouth running game in half 1, vs. RE-active passing game based approach)- AS it relates to NE's Offense being in a better position, come the 2nd half, and ultimately the endgame of the 4th quarter.

    Likewise...  Those that say this approach didn't work in the Baltimore contest, are only hurting their own arguments even THAT much further.  You're right...It didn't work.  The reasons why it didn't work out, is that NE resorted back to:  A shotgun spread Offense (last drive alone, and even helped out by 2 Baltimore penalties FOR NE, was an 8 play drive with 4 minutes left in the game, 5 passes, 3 in the shotgun <as you're trying to Kill the clock...with a LEAD?!?!?> -took 2 minutes and 1 second off the clock...WITH the 2 Balt penalties to help them;  Other than that, The shotgun based, and/or just overly reliant on the pass-heavy O gameplan during the Balt. game, resulted in  2 more things:  More use of the RB by Committee approach.  I.e. A> Keep your lesser scat-back out on the field (Woodhead), during these spread wide-open O formations; And B> Make sure to sub your lead back (Ridley) ON to the field for running plays...(also, make sure you tell the booth to phone the Ravens sideline, just in case they actually missed you doing this); And, C> Give ALL of your RBs less carries en masse, and the times you DO Run the ball, make sure you split up the alreay, lesser amount of touches <didn't both Woodhead & Ridley get only 12 touches each?> in between more than 1 RB, and do so, in a sporadic way, in order to even further negate the ability of ANY of them, to find any rhythm in NE's run game, and their own;

    <Also, 1st negative or just 1-2 yard run play: Abandon the run altogether for the next proceeding 5 plays+ afterwards=GREAT, great plan...but commitment to a "run game", it is not>

     

    IF We stay committed, FULLY committed to this approach- It CAN work.  And it WILL offer us the greater situational benefits on Offense AND Defense, Securing AND Solidifying a Win in the 2nd half, and Greater propensities AND a greater opportunity to beat top-tiered teams with good O's and a top ranked D which one meets come the playoffs, and further in to the playoffs.  Yes, during the Regular Season, your pass-based O generally, scores a few less points (this past game, an almost "Ideal"...but overall, an exception).  The trade-off being that your Office Fantasy Number stats, s#ck...but the team ya follow is more formidable & higher regarded...  The trade-off being that your Offense scores a few less points during the season, and maybe you fall flat on O and the added help granted your D when using this approach, isn't enough once or twice during the Regular Season, and thus, ya lose 1 more game a year...but the team ya follow gets stronger come the playoffs, and gets further along, and has a MUCH better chance at securing a Lombardi as the final result (think just how often the very greatest pure passing based, spread O, high-scoring Offenses of any given season do...  Then determine, just how often teams that center such a vast majority of their gameplans of their team, under this approach, stand on the podium in order to hoist the SB trophy).

     

    So s#ck it up those that loudly voiced their sides on behalf of the unbalanced shotgun, Brady is lord & savior & the ONLY god, Approach.  S#ck it up...you we were wrong.  So good grief, At LEAST- ShutTFU and step quietly back.   You guys might believe Rusty's "beating a dead-horse."  Yea, that could be maddening...But from the rest of our('s) perspectives, we've been watching you (even to now), beat a dead cow or something...only looking up here & there, in order to loudly exclaim that: "Hey guys- I'm beatin' a dead-horse ya know." (becomes just a bit even more maddening for the rest of us).          

     
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    Some jumping to conclusions going on here it seems.

     

    Last season, the pass happy Patriots averaged 38.25 passes a game. This season after 4 games they are averaging 38.5 passes a game. Seems we are passing slightly more per game so far this year than last.

     

    But we have run it more. That only makes sense considering the run has been working better. We are averaging 4.2 yac this season and did only 4.0 yac last season. And the 2.3 yac against the Ravens dragged this year's avg. down a lot.

    It's pretty clear BB was looking for some new horses by drafting Vereen and Ridley pretty high. And the abbreviated camps last year, plus their rookie status, probably put his plans on hold somewhat so he relied on the run somewhat less than usual.

     

    If the run remains effective, we will likely see more of it. Nothing new here. If something is working you do more of it. That axiom is as old as the game itself.

     

     
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    Babe, you lie and/or simply mislead, far more often than otherwise.  1st- Just offer up a link to your stats/tall-tales, so we can see IF this is the 1 in 10 exceptions to the babe "honesty" rule.  2nd- Just show us, whether or not, and how the total passes-total runs breaks down IN total, and in particular as it relates to the 4 games played thus far in this season, to the games where NE's Offence performed well (and won), or the one's where they've underperformed and/or lost- this way, we can check-off the lesser "complete agenda-driven guise at misleading others" AND the outright "lying" factors, All in 1 single swoop. 

     
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    Warnings were out?  What, did you send an email to Josh and Bill after the Baltimore game telling them they'd get their pink slips if they used Woodhead as much as they did in Baltimore? 

    It was a great offensive showing late in the game.  And obviously the run was a big part of it.  But this wasn't a classic ground and pound, grind it out, kind of game with 7 and 8 minute drives.  In fact, the Pats drives were mostly quite short (they had time to run 16 of them!).  A lot of that was because the passing game was working well, which meant the Bills stayed in nickel and dime defenses the whole game, which opened up the run. With two TEs on the field it was easy for the Pats to overwhelm all those DBs on the run and rip off 5-10 yard gains on nearly every carry.  The mix of run and pass was essential to the strategy, but let's not delude ourselves about what this game was.

    This strategy would not have worked so well against an Arizona or Baltimore, especially if the passing game was not clicking.  Those teams have big guys up front who can defend the run. The Bills played the whole game with pass defenders.  It made a big difference in what our offense could do. The good thing is that our offense was opportunistic and took what the defense was giving them in the running game, while still keeping the passing game clicking well enough to force the Bills to stay with their pass-focused defense.     

     

     
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    It's obvious to me that the Patriots are committed to being more balanced on offense. After reviewing the Ravens game the team saw the flaws which lead to this past week's commitment to improve the run. Again this is based on what BB and TB both said after yesterday's game. I agree one game is a small sample so we will have wait and see. But yesterday's game was very encouraging.

     
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    In response to LazarusintheSanatorium's comment:
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    Babe, you lie and/or simply mislead, far more often than otherwise.  1st- Just offer up a link to your stats/tall-tales, so we can see IF this is the 1 in 10 exceptions to the babe "honesty" rule.  2nd- Just show us, whether or not, and how the total passes-total runs breaks down IN total, and in particular as it relates to the 4 games played thus far in this season, to the games where NE's Offence performed well (and won), or the one's where they've underperformed and/or lost- this way, we can check-off the lesser "complete agenda-driven guise at misleading others" AND the outright "lying" factors, All in 1 single swoop. 

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    Oh man this tired retread arguement again.  Yes the running game didnt work in Balt because they gave up on it.  2 yards a carry boys keep running it, it will work.  Give me a break.

    We all want a balanced team.  Sometimes thou the run ain't gonna work, sometimes the pass ain't gonna work, you do what is working on that given Sunday.

    And stop channeling your inner Rusty with the we all wanted them to pass more.  We all want them to do what is the most effective and for the last 5 years that is pass the ball.  If they can become more effective running the ball then of course anyone would want them to do it more.

    What matters is if they win the game, not if they run or pass more.  Period.

     
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    BB is a smart coach.  He sees other teams developing their defense to stop the pass.  Most teams are becoming pass oriented.  Why not exploit this?  Build a team that is run oriented and also able to pass. 

     
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    In response to bobbysu's comment:
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    Since Thursday, 14 games played. Teams that outrushed their Opponents were 9-5. (not counting Monday Night).

    Teams that lost, Miami 86 yards Cards 28,  Panthers 199 Falcons 121,   Chiefs 119 Chargers 104,      Seahawks 179 Rams 75,   Tenn. 158  Texans 95.

     

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    It's not about outrushing their opponents. It's about creating mismatches. One way of doing that is having a running game that the other opponents defenses have to account for. There's no better sign that your run game is working than when you execute the play action. I thought the Patriots did a great job of that yesterday. The Bill's safeties bit a couple of times thinking it was a run only to see a tight end or receive have a mismatch with one of the defensive backs. Great play calling by McDaniels.

     
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