Weakest Links For Patriots, and Other Top Teams

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    I don't know where this guy is coming from.  No arguement or discussion about Edelman or Hernandez who may play some slot?  With a new set of TEs and some help at 3rd WR I don't know if Welker would get his old numbers if he was well.  I'm sticking with the pass rush.

    I do like the premise of the article but it looks like he's guessing in spots.  Nice to know that he thinks NE is one of those teams to go to the SB.
     
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    How is slot receiver a bigger concern than RB.  It's not the weakest link on offense even, let alone the entire team.  I mean, Edelman, Holt, and Hernandez should be fine in place of Welker for about 1/2 the season.
     
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    I do have a concern for the third receiver spot, but that's mostly just early in the season. Welker should be back at some point. At the slot, Edelman can fill that role. Can he or one of the other receivers fill the outside receiver spot on the opposite side from Moss? If Edelman plays that spot, it isn't all that concerning to manufacture a slot role. The Pats can manufacture that type of offense from the weapons currently there.

    On offense, my biggest concern is the health at right guard. How many games do we get from Stephen Neal? How will his eventual replacement this season do? Health at RB would be the second concern. Can we go into the season with just four or is a 5th necessary? As long as Neal is there, the running game will be effective.
     
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    BB knows what he's doing.  The Offense is stacked and will be putting up huge numbers this year, mark my words.  The Defense should gel by week 12 and be good enough to complement a Great Offence on it way to a 4th Super Bowl.

     
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    someone can upload the links
     
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         Here's an article discussing it. For the Pats...it seems to be pass-rushing ability. Yet, the author of this article disagrees: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/2010-Super-Bowl-NFL-contenders-weakest-positions
    Posted by TexasPat3


    I think it's a tie between pass rush, offensive line, and secondary :)

    One could make arguments for and against each of these areas as to why they would help the team most.
     
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    BB knows what he's doing.  The Offense is stacked and will be putting up huge numbers this year, mark my words.  The Defense should gel by week 12 and be good enough to complement a Great Offence on it way to a 4th Super Bowl.
    Posted by Tcal2


    With Wes Welker out for the first half of the season (at a minimum), and no improvement in the rush game or our offensive line - just out of curiosity, why do you feel our offense is stacked? I agree that we have some rookie and second year WRs and two new rookie TEs, but even Brady is trying to quell how much impact they'll likely have on the game. That being said, if the TEs do more than blocking - and BB includes the TE in the passing game....then I think they may hold their own.  But that still leaves the running game.  Crumpler should help, but we have no true FB, and the remainder of the RB corp is basically the same as last year...old and injury prone...and one helluva dancer.
     
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    In 2007 A healthy Brady threw 50 TD's without a running game and Thump (Watson) at TE.  Now we have a nice mix of outstanding Veteran's and exciting young talent, even without Welker, for Brady to target. 

    I'm calling it now our Offense, with a fully recovered Brady (knee,shoulder,finger), is going to put up numbers that may pass those of 2007.

    Of course Brady is down playing it.  That's how you answer questions.  You never give your hand away.....come on.
     
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    A healthy Brady makes most any offense stacked.
     
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         Here's an article discussing it. For the Pats...it seems to be pass-rushing ability. Yet, the author of this article disagrees: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/2010-Super-Bowl-NFL-contenders-weakest-positions
    Posted by TexasPat3


    AND ON ANOTHER NOTE, THE CELTICS JUST SENT LEBRON HOME PACKING!!!! RAJON RONDO WAS THE BEST PLAYER ON THE COURT IN THE SERIES!!!! NEXT STOP ORLAND SUNDAY 330!!! LETS GO CELTICS! PATS, B'S AND SOX!!!!
     
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    Pats weakest link is pass rush. Even though I don't see the offense at 2007 levels they'll be better than last year. Adding Holt, and re-loading at TE will help. Vollmer at LT all next year should help the o-line. Brady another year removed from his knee injury won't have the rust to shake off this year. The defense is a work in progress with a lot of open positions. If they can come together quickly this team could be very dangerous next year. Be nice if they can put the heat on a QB without having to resort to a blitz.

    Other teams that we play in '10 weakest links

    Miami - DB
    NYJ - QB
    Indy - OLine
    SD - DB
    Pitt - (Rothlisberger's sex drive) or OLine
    Minn - DB
    GB - Oline





     
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         Here's an article discussing it. For the Pats...it seems to be pass-rushing ability. Yet, the author of this article disagrees: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/2010-Super-Bowl-NFL-contenders-weakest-positions
    Posted by TexasPat3


    I think the author has a reasonable argument. The pass rush is a big problem, but last year the offense was anemic too.  Late in the season Brady had no one to throw to other than Welker it seemed.  Moss wasn't getting open and the other wideout (Aiken or Stanback or whoever they stuck in that position) was a complete nonfactor. I think there's a possibility that Holt and Patten and the draft picks will improve the passing game, but a bunch of old guys and a bunch of rookies can't be considered a sure bet. 
     
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    Russ,
    As much as I don't like the Jets, it's hard to argue with their D production last year and where they were ranked. What I like about the Jets D is that they play aggressively and good team defense. Where they get shredded like any defense would, is when QB's like Manning for example make them play fast and don't give them time to set up and blitz. I think the longer you hold their D at the line, the bigger advantage you give them. 
    Brady is a wizard at clock management (although you couldn't tell last year). I think the way Brady beats the Jets D is simple. Mess with their tempo, don't allow them to sub, and play a lot of hurry up offense, dink and dunk, play action, run to their weak side, occasionally hit Moss deep, stretch their CB's and look underneath to Gronk, Herby, Holt and Edelman. 

    The team that I think could make a big splash in the AFC East this year are the Fins. I think they made some moves on paper that make them stronger all the way around. This years should be a battle between the Pats, Jets and Fins. Whatever team comes out of the AFC East this year will go on to the AFC Championship game. Mark it down. 
     
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         There's a ton of optimism from many of you regarding the Patriots' new TEs. Let me just caution you that Gronk and Hernandez have yet to play a down. There's no telling how well they'll adapt to the NFL game, or how soon. Gronkowski hasn't played any football for months, and is recovering from back surgery.       To refer to the WRs as deep and talented is extremely premature. Randy Moss should be ready to go. But, there's no telling whether Wes Welker will  ever return to form...or that he'll be 100% in 2010. Who knows what Torrey Holt, at age 34, has left? Taylor Price can run...but is raw, and had questionable hands in college. Who can say whether Brandon Tate, coming off his second knee surgery in two years, will ever be able to contribute.      Lots of "ifs" are never a good thing.   
    Posted by TexasPat3

    well said on all fronts...its nice to see some constructive criticism on the team
     
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    Tex,
    Lots of "ifs", but the key word is "lots". Of all the players you mentioned, we only need 2-4 to step up. So, Edelman, Holt, Tate, Patton, Price, Gronk, Herby, Crump. It's hard to believe at least 2 of the 7 won't provide a threat. It's even more realistic to think 4 of the 7 can step up. If we get contribution from 2-4 players, that is lightyears ahead of where we were last year. I'm good with those odds. 

    I think we are going to see positive contributions from Edelman, Holt, Tate, Gronk, Crump and Herby. Of the 6, I think Edelman, Holt and Gronk will have the largest contributions, with Crump, Herby and Tate behind. Still, better than last year.
     
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    I do have a concern for the third receiver spot, but that's mostly just early in the season. Welker should be back at some point. At the slot, Edelman can fill that role. Can he or one of the other receivers fill the outside receiver spot on the opposite side from Moss? If Edelman plays that spot, it isn't all that concerning to manufacture a slot role. The Pats can manufacture that type of offense from the weapons currently there. On offense, my biggest concern is the health at right guard. How many games do we get from Stephen Neal? How will his eventual replacement this season do? Health at RB would be the second concern. Can we go into the season with just four or is a 5th necessary? As long as Neal is there, the running game will be effective.
    Posted by KyleCleric2


    I would move Nick Kaczur in at RG if Steven can't play.  Nick is a road grader and would be a beast at RG.  Oakland moved Kevin Gogan in at RG and he burried people just like Nick will be able to do at RG. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Weakest Links For Patriots, and Other Top Teams : I said this in another thread about Indy. Everyone acts like Polian is so great, but his last 2 drafts are no better than NE's last 2.  In fact, you start looking at theat O Line and they have some problems. Ugoh is a bust in the early 2nd rd and Lilja went to KC.   Manning isn't gettng any younger either.  That extra second he likes, may not be there as frequently as it used to be.  Garcon and Collie look good, but they don't appear to be Pro Bowl level. As for the Jets, a team everyone thinks is some kind of slam dunk division winner, compare their DEs to ours and then compare their OLBs to ours. If Spikes ascends or McKenzie, I have no issue easily comparing Mao and one of them to the Harris/Scott MLB duo. NE has better all round quality and depth here, not to mention a superior NT.
    Posted by russgriswold


    I don't know if we can fully evaluate the drafts from the last 2 years, but here is what Polian has done:

    09
    1st - D Brown - spot duty but effective when played 
    3rd - J Powers - 12 starts - 10 PD's, 1 int, 1 FF
    4th - A Collie - 60 catches 7 TD's. 
    7th - P McAfee - starting punter
    UDFA - J Lacey - 9 starts - 13 PD's, 3 ints

    08
    2nd - M Pollak - 13 starts '08; 7 starts '09 -
    3rd - P Wheeler - 7 starts '09
    6th - P Garcon - 47 catches 4 TD's 765 yds.
    7th - J Richard - 7 starts '08

    As for Ugoh, he was definitely in the doghouse last year and may not pan out, in the 2 prior years he start 11 games in 07 (4 games out due to injury); in 08 he started 12. 

    Save Ugoh, can the pats match that kind of production for players either drafted or picked up out of college as an FA over the last 2 years? 
     
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    In Response to Re: Weakest Links For Patriots, and Other Top Teams : Well, he's right about ifs, but he's wrong about which direction this batch of talent leans. That is for sure. His premise could be addressed to 80% of NFL offenses. Almost every analyst predicts Gronkowski to be a starter from day 1.  This is my opinion as well.  That alone is an upgrade over Watson.  Crumpler is a pro. I have no way of envisioning Crumpler at worst being the 2nd or 3rd TE as a blocker or a goal line player in reserve.  He'll help. I might remind you that the TE position was not used enough and not very strong in this offense for many years. Hernandez was clearly a steal in Round 4. Again, more competition at a WEAK position. This is the key. ONE player will upgrade this position. NE needs ONE FLANKER to emerge opposite Moss.  This is Holt or Tate, and at worst case, it's Patten or Price. Galloway did not emerge because he didn't adjust to what is needed in this offense and that is route running.  Not speed, but route running. Also, Tate wasn't ready last year and Aiken and Slater were only STS guys. Edelman ascended but got hurt. Apparently, we disagree how impressive Julian Edelman is in the slot role. He may not be Welker, but he sure is a good looking young slot WR who gets it. Clearly, on paper, the WR position is far deeper as is the TE position. This should not even be a debate. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but there is something wrong with contrarian behavior with irrational logic.
    Posted by russgriswold

    its not about the talent "lean"...its about the fact they are rookies and judging them against proven talent is fool hearty

    not many people here are going to argue about the talent picked up...but how they are used and their production has yet to be seen and until that happens...i have a very hard time putting gronkowski or hernandez's talent over what you had in watson and baker

     
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