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Nice post/thread prolate. It's nice to read threads from reasonable fans that don't have an agenda (that looks worse and worse by the second) that can't be honest and give a good assessment.
Spot on. Personally I've just grown tired of watching this defense. Four years of this has worn me out - I just feel like it's been a waste of Brady's career and my rooting interest as a fan.
I agree Pro is a Pro, always well thoughtout logical post. ZBello too.
I've also had enough of this D. Last year I had a sick feeling every time they took the field. I no longer have that. It's now, oh well, here comes another loss in the last minutes of the 4th. What else is new? I don't like feeling either., disgust or apathy, which is worse?
I haven't posted much, nor in a long time, but I have to say this is amazing. I have noticed it since the "miracle"-helmet-tyree catch. Long completions are not all on the cornerback or the safeties. this is simple football knowlege. It is a mixture of both pressure and coverage. Big Vince said so much today on Weei. What you cannot over come is holding by the o-line. I have seen it so blatant that it is becoming sickening to watch. Double teaming Vince is a euphamism for holding. You cannot keep Vince out of the backfield on almost every passing down if you do not hold him. The Patriots D lineman have been getting held for years, yet no one sees this. It started with Eli in the first Super Bowl and it its continuing to this day. It happend again on the last TD for the Seahwawks. Whoever was on the the left end, it may have been Cunningham, was obviously held as he got by the tackle and was heading for Wilson. You see his body jerk as the tackle had him held with one hand on his shoulder pad. But no flag and boom. It takes a little bit to have that type of route develop, too much time not to have someone in the backfield. That is of course if they aren't being held.
Please don't get me wrong. There were mistakes a plenty from the Pats. But in the NFL, if you are fighting the NFL and the other team, its hard to consistently win. Remember, parity is the NFL codeword for making more money. The 3 losses were by 4 points. Look at the other teams that are 3-3 4-2. The Pats are that close in spite of the NFL.
Agree. It's beyond sickening as well that our fans will trash BB and his HOF status, amazing work as a GM and not see that refs not calling holding, it's put far more pressure on every team's DBs are being asked to cover longer. Thank you for speaking up. I feel like I am the only one with a clue on these threads.
Ty Law would be penalized up the ying yang if he played today. Gee, I wonder why Richard Seymour isn't as good as what he used to be. The Baltimore game was also embarrassing. Jones was held on almost every play.
Jarvis Green and Seymour were held on the Tyree helmet catch, no doubt, but as long as they call it the same across the board, it's just the way it is. What can be done about it when that's what the commissioner orders?
Goodell wants points, so he instructs them to make most all of the calls, the subjectives ones to go in favor of the offense and agaisnt the D.
This is why simply turning for the ball isn't always the answer, as BB explained last week in the press. Sometimes they'll call PI with absolutely no contact or very limited contact, too. Everything is set up to not allow teams to defende the pass, which is also why any QBs stats in this day and age are bloated, including the ridiculous idea that "yards allowed" is a true reflection of a defense.
10 year old kids might believe that bunk (or Tony Mazz and his minions), but the rest of us know what's going on in the NFL these days. I don't like it either. It's more like how the arena league is and I don't like that league.
Wilfork was held about 5 times yesterday after breaking through the line. Many here say don't use it as an excuse, but it was brutal to watch. He's bearing down and then all of a sudden, the invisible swordsman keeps him from Wilson. Isn't that interesting. And when WIlson scrambled it was just as bad.
The Hurlies, Prolates, Babes, Pezzies, etc, all just run in here and blame BB instead of watching the games and actually seeing what is happening.
They have no idea Goodell took over from Tagliabue to sell and grow this league, first by generating investment interest in London.
Europeans don't want 17-13 scores. The parity part is great, IMO. What I don't like is how the refs are clearly instructed to call the game to influence more offense.
It's a problem and very annoying seeing the game taken away from the players. Once I read the replacement refs comments on how they were told to call PI a certain way (to favor the offense), it confirmed what I had suspected since Goodell took over.
Stinks, but as long as it's somewhat even, it hopefully won't make a huge difference.
Thank you. Yeah, I have been reading this forum for years and its amazing how people don't have a clue. They seem to know NOTHING about football and thus put blame totally where it isn't. Its like everyone blaming Valentine. He didn't get paid 20 millions and couldn't hit nor pitch. So, yeah blame him fully not the accurate 20-30 percent. That isn't saying that Belichick isn't without blame. I wonder how the DBs can't turn for the ball. Watch college film. They did it then. Why not now? They wouldn't have been drafted if they couldn't "find" the ball. That has to be a coaching thing. And how can these DBs not self correct? Wow, I'm not looking for the ball. Gonna be a PI on this one. Same as baseball. Beckett, Lester Buch etc shouldn't need much coaching, they've been pitching for years.
I don't think it IS being called even. I don't see too much holding with the Pats. I really don't. Thats why they have offensive line "issues". Scar makes them play the right way. I've been intently watching the line play in particular. The SEA/Green Bay game the GB line was being held so blantantly but nothing came of it. Look at the NFL today. GB 3-3, Pats 3-3 and now all 3-3 in the AFC East. Greeeeat for business. The Saints are cooked, and the NFL wants new interest. Houston, win one more for Ray (maybe not now), Harbaugh could use one etc. GB, NE, NO even Peyton are the NFL old news. See I said Peyton not a team because thats pretty much what he is.