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    Welcome to (H)elichick faithful fans...where there's never a present day need to be addressed because there'll always be future traded draft picks that will be continued to be traded. A place where you excell in the regular season only to get ousted in the first round of the playoffs...a place where really great first round draft picks are traded off for grade B type players....but there's always plenty of future draft picks to be had or traded!

    Welcome to (H)elichick!!!
     
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    Go root for someone else then.
     
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    Lets just wait and see how it plays out...next 2 rounds ware important for improving the team....BUT all thats said....the team is younger and better as a result of the drafting that BB has handled....  Time will tell...Right now  living of opinions  have to wait 3 years or more.
     
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    I hope I don't die before the New England Patriots give their shiny new fanbase a reason to understand how spoiled it has become.



     
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    Oh look another person who posts once a year when he wants to cry like a little girl. How nice of you to show.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


    I actually have a life. I don't live jobless and in my Mom's basement with enough time to actually post over 3000 comments. Dude, just a tip but may want to step outside every once and awhile and make some real friends and have real conversations....good luck!
     
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    Oh look another person who posts once a year when he wants to cry like a little girl. How nice of you to show.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life
    LMAO.....nice.....
     
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    In Response to Re: Welcome to (H)elichick : I actually have a life. I don't live jobless and in my Mom's basement with enough time to actually post over 3000 comments. Dude, just a tip but may want to step outside every once and awhile and make some real friends and have real conversations....good luck!
    Posted by mattman1447

    Let me guess.. your other 38 posts were Patriot bashers too?  I see what's going on here. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Welcome to (H)elichick : Let me guess.. your other 38 posts were Patriot bashers too?  I see what's going on here. 
    Posted by BradyMossFan


    Let's just ignore the obvious...no pass rush since seymour got traded...lots of really good pass rushers available but let's pick an obscure OT and trade outta the first round and for future picks. Makes a lot sense to me. Why get type-A first round talent when you can settle on type-B players and make do.

    I thought the point of draft was to address glaring needs to help the team win NOW...not for more future draft picks that are only going to be traded away anyways!

    Jordan and Ingram would have looked really sweet in red, silver & blue!

    Look guys....I'm up to 40 posts!!!...only 2960 more to catch up to you oh so faithful fans!
     
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    Welcome to (H)elichick faithful fans...where there's never a present day need to be addressed because there'll always be future traded draft picks that will be continued to be traded. A place where you excell in the regular season only to get ousted in the first round of the playoffs...a place where really great first round draft picks are traded off for grade B type players....but there's always plenty of future draft picks to be had or traded! Welcome to (H)elichick!!!
    Posted by mattman1447
    I understand the Frustration, but change your Perspective a little. We signed a very Good could be great LT in Solder, with coaching from Dante Scarnechia. Traded out to pick up an additional 2nd rounder see Gronk, Chung, Spikes, Cunningham. lets see how things shape up after day 2. How about Reed, Leshour, and Wisnewski. that looks like a solid first 2 days.
     
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    Mattman,

    Are you really Breer, coming back to bash BB one more time?

    If you hadn't noticed, over the last couple of years Brady has been hit more than just about any QB in the league. Yeah he doesn't get sacked but he does get hit about 80% of the time IIRC.  
     
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    Good players left 

    Round 1 (Pick 28) – Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia 6’4 270
    The Patriots go back to the defense at pick 28, this time addressing their linebacker core.  The Patriots have preferred big linebackers and need one who can get to the quarterback.   Justin Houston from Georgia fills both those requirements.  During his time with the Bulldogs, Justin played both defensive end (2009) and outside linebacker (2010) for Georgia. In 2010, Houston played some 3-4 which will help the Patriot evaluation.   Determined pass rusher with a variety of moves.  Houston has a great initial burst and is constantly disruptive in the backfield.  Houston will need to improve his pass coverage to be effective in pros as anything more than a third down specialist. Very big for a linebacker, many think he is a tweener, which could be to his advantage with the Patriots since they like to switch between the 3-4 and 4-3.
     
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    Do any of these naysayers realize that BB had, by far, the industry's best draft in 2010? It's not even close, in fact. Their 2010 draft ranks at the top of the list--far above the rest of the NFL in terms of quantity and quality.

    The 2009 draft, which has been roundly criticized (Matthews!!! Oher!!!) by the fan base, also produced a bunch of solid players--and Chung and Vollmer both have Pro Bowl potential.

    Throw in grabbing a star in Mayo with the first rounder in 2008 and I'd say BB is on a pretty good drafting streak after a couple of "down" years in 2006-2007.

    Everyone needs to calm down. There are still six rounds left in this draft for God's sake.

     
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    Do any of these naysayers realize that BB had, by far, the industry's best draft in 2010? It's not even close, in fact. Their 2010 draft ranks at the top of the list--far above the rest of the NFL in terms of quantity and quality. The 2009 draft, which has been roundly criticized (Matthews!!! Oher!!!) by the fan base, also produced a bunch of solid players--and Chung and Vollmer both have Pro Bowl potential. Throw in grabbing a star in Mayo with the first rounder in 2008 and I'd say BB is on a pretty good drafting streak after a couple of "down" years in 2006-2007. Everyone needs to calm down. There are still six rounds left in this draft for God's sake.
    Posted by hardright


    Dude...at some point you have just go with the flow and address your needs with quality players. I know BB tries to outsmart everyone in the room and he's very good at this. But at some point, be sensible and just select some top notch players who will help you win now...not in the future...now.

    These one and done in the playoffs with less talent is getting really old. I'm all for the Danny Woodheads and the Mike Wrights of the world...but I'm just saying if you have the players there in the first round and you have the picks, it's not going to kill you to just take them for once instead of trading down or for the future...in this scenerio, the future never comes..it's always traded away for more future picks!
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAH Oh that was a cute attempt at insulting me, how nice. I have so many posts cause im able to hold down a cushy job that pays me to watch money all day and talk football too bad you couldnt land a job like that huh kiddo? And we have not had a pass rush since Seymour got traded? Yea cause he was such a pass rusher. Seriously get a f*cking clue man. And type B players in round 2 huh? So Pat Chung is not a type A talent? And Vollmer is he also a type B talent? And you must think that Curtis Martin was a type C talent since he was drafted in round 3. And Wes Welker must just s*ck at his job since he was not even drafted. Maybe your a smart man but when it comes to football you dont know what your talking about and should really just keep your mouth shut. They got the 2nd best OT in the draft and will have the O line locked up for years to come and you wanna cry about it? Everyone with a brain knew they were either taking a O linemen or a Defensive player and they took an IMPACT O linemen so they did exactly what people thought they would do. They have NEVER drafted a OLB or pass rusher in round 1 and every year people like you, one foot in and one foot out come out and say get a pass rusher in round one! do it! and every year they dont do it and you are right back here crying about it. They have the rest of the draft to get a D linemen or a OLB who can be coached up like Cunningham was last year. Incase you didnt know there are 6 more rounds after round 1.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


    I guess Julius Peppers didn't help the Bears last year either.
     
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    In Response to Re: Welcome to (H)elichick : Dude...at some point you have just go with the flow and address your needs with quality players. I know BB tries to outsmart everyone in the room and he's very good at this. But at some point, be sensible and just select some top notch players who will help you win now...not in the future...now. These one and done in the playoffs with less talent is getting really old. I'm all for the Danny Woodheads and the Mike Wrights of the world...but I'm just saying if you have the players there in the first round and you have the picks, it's not going to kill you to just take them for once instead of trading down or for the future...in this scenerio, the future never comes..it's always traded away for more future picks!
    Posted by mattman1447


    Dude, first of all, they have been "winning now." They went 14-2 last year and then had a bad day in January. It happens.

    Yes, the pass rush was a reason why they lost to the Jets, but it certainly wasn't the only reason (botched fake punt, Brady's pick, Crumpler's dropped TD pass, and O'Brien's inexplicable under-use of BJGE in that game, when the Jets were daring them to run all day).

    And can we please get off the "one and dones" in the playoffs argument? It's happened to them TWICE in the BB era--twice. Yes, it's happened the last two years, but in 2009 the team was in total transition and had just lost Welker the week before. Baltimore simply was a better team than they were in 2009, but the Pats were rebuilding "on the fly" and still won the division.

    Last January they had a bad day--against a team they'd beaten by 42 points six weeks earlier. It's not like the Jets were that much better than the Pats; they were just better on that day.

    It happens.

    I've said it before in this thread but it's worth repeating: the 1985-86-87 49ers of Walsh and Montana (and Rice and Lott, etc.) went "one and done" three straight years in the playoffs, including an embarrassing home loss to Minnesota in '87 after posting the NFL's best record that season. A lot of SF fans at that time were screaming that Walsh had to go and that Young had to replace Montana, especially after that Minnesota loss.

    In 1988-89, they went out and won back-to-back Super Bowls.

    The Patriots, right now, are those 1987 49ers...and next season could very well be their 1988.

    "Impact" players are rare in the draft, by the way. If any of these pass rushers that went last night become DeMarcus Ware or Julius Peppers in 2011, then I'm betting that it's one of the guys taken in the Top 10 of the draft, not any of the guys taken from 11-32.

    Again, just relax. Belichick knows what he's doing. He's going to make mistakes, like everyone else, but he's going to make more good moves than bad. His track record proves this.
     
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    He helped them not win a SB and will continue to do so for years to come.
     
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    its only one round, they can't address their defensive needs in rd 2.  you are a joke sir acting like a 2 year old who didn't get the toy he wants this minute.  wait one more minute and you may get that toy after all.  calm down crazies lots of talent still left
     
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    "Impact" players are rare in the draft, by the way. If any of these pass rushers that went last night become DeMarcus Ware or Julius Peppers in 2011, then I'm betting that it's one of the guys taken in the Top 10 of the draft, not any of the guys taken from 11-32.

    Then use some of those "precious" future draft picks and move up into the top 10 to take an impact player.
     
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    its only one round, they can't address their defensive needs in rd 2.  you are a joke sir acting like a 2 year old who didn't get the toy he wants this minute.  wait one more minute and you may get that toy after all.  calm down crazies lots of talent still left
    Posted by hagen910


    You won't be laughing when they get ousted in the first round again.
     
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    You must love the  ATL GM.  Your on board with moving a 1st this year and a 2nd and 4th and a 1st next year and a 4th hoping the player they moved up to get at #6 pans out.
     
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    "Impact" players are rare in the draft, by the way. If any of these pass rushers that went last night become DeMarcus Ware or Julius Peppers in 2011, then I'm betting that it's one of the guys taken in the Top 10 of the draft, not any of the guys taken from 11-32. Then use some of those "precious" future draft picks and move up into the top 10 to take an impact player.
    Posted by mattman1447


    That's one argument, but then again, you could end up doing what Atlanta did last night, which was one of the dumbest draft moves I've ever seen. Besides, you don't know if any of those teams at the top of the draft were willing to make a deal, and you also don't know how much they were asking for in return. If it was anything like the package Atlanta had to give up to get Julio Jones, then no thanks.

    It's possible to reload for the present while keeping an eye on the future, and BB is very good at that.

    Besides, if there is a season in 2011, that means there likely will be a new CBA. If there's a new CBA, there will be rules regarding free agency and player trades---isn't it possible that some of those extra picks will be moved for veteran defensive help? (Corey Dillon, Wes Welker and Randy Moss all came to NE via trading draft picks, so it's been done in the past.)

    And why don't we wait until tonight's draft session is over before we panic too much, OK?
     
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    In Response to Re: Welcome to (H)elichick : That's one argument, but then again, you could end up doing what Atlanta did last night, which was one of the dumbest draft moves I've ever seen. Besides, you don't know if any of those teams at the top of the draft were willing to make a deal, and you also don't know how much they were asking for in return. If it was anything like the package Atlanta had to give up to get Julio Jones, then no thanks. It's possible to reload for the present while keeping an eye on the future, and BB is very good at that. Besides, if there is a season in 2011, that means there likely will be a new CBA. If there's a new CBA, there will be rules regarding free agency and player trades---isn't it possible that some of those extra picks will be moved for veteran defensive help? (Corey Dillon, Wes Welker and Randy Moss all came to NE via trading draft picks, so it's been done in the past.) And why don't we wait until tonight's draft session is over before we panic too much, OK?
    Posted by hardright


    You're right...still plenty of time and lots of talent out there...here's to six more rounds and free agency!!!
     
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    Posted by mattman1447
    Yeah bundle first and second round picks move up and atleast try to get better.I use to be a life guard sink or swim treading water just ignores the inevitable you think your winning but your not.
     
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    Come on now people we are clearly supposed to take our queue from the one day a year draft guru Mattman when it comes to how the Pats should draft.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


    Ok Mr. 3480 posts....you'd the expert!
     
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    Nope not an expert just know more about football then you. Experts get paid I pay attention for free. You on the other hand watch one draft special set your heart on one guy and then when they dont draft him you cry like a little b*tch and rush to the nearest PC so you can tear down the team. If you want a team that trades up to the top of the draft on a normal basis and over pays for run of the mill talent go cheer for the Jets or Cowboys cause thats just not how the pats do business.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


    Like I said..."You'd the expert"!
     
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