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I think the warnings about Hernandez getting the money rather than Wes were based on the 3/$27 numbers thrown out there (erroneously). Once we heard what the signing numbers were, and saw the alternatives to Wes, most of the prior discussion for not retaining Wes went out the window...
Could Wes have been resigned in addition to Amendola, and passed on Edelman, Hawkins, Jenkins and Jones?
Everyone on this board has argued for or against Wes staying based on years/salary, except for you. You have argued Brady needed the seperation from Wes. There is credence for both, if the Wes numbers were 3/$27...but at 2/$10 the arguement for keeping Wes AND making the position stronger certainly is valid, except to you.
As per ususal, you're wrong. As predicted, I called it right. Welker was looking for 10 mil per. BB gave him 8 mil per, 16 mil guaranteed, which was REJECTED by Welker. This means he felt he deserved a more rich deal than the 2 years and 16 mil guaranteed. GEt it? Pretty simple stuff. I knew once they offered him 16 mil guaranteed like that, that was NE's best offer. Welker thought he could go to market and leverage himself as a FA. He was wrong. Also, as predicted. Part of the reason is age, part of it is due to the fact Brady throws him the ball here and that there is a chemistry there.
Then, BB, whether it was partly to show Welker a lesson or not, paid Hernandez early. Hernandez is also a guy they use in the slot. Still with me? Good.
Edelman then came into camp last year and reportedly OUTPLAYED Welker in camp. Edelman started games over Welker early in the 2012 season. Still with me?
Welker takes the tag of 9.5 million in 2012 thinking many teams would bid his price up to that 10 mil per year number for 3 years.
He didn't get anywhere near it. In fact, no one came calling at all. Once Welker was given the 5 mil per for 2 years take it or leave it offer, it was clearly far less than the 8 mil per number and not what he wanted with regards to the 10 number with many teams bidding on him.
As usual, you're wrong. The drop from NE's 8 mil to 5 mil is absolutely attributed to Hernandez getting his deal ahead of market. Kraft said it as much in the press later on for crying out loud.
He said someting to the effect of "we can't put that much money into the slot position" under the cap.
And yes, I do feel part of the lowered offer is also BB to tell Welker, "you aren't as big a part of our offensive gameplans liked you used to be" in the future. Yes. 2 mil more would have kept him but they didn't even do that, so what does that tell you?
It tells me, they are switching how they run their offense a bit, where Welker takes carries away from our RBs.
Bottom line is Welker has a lot of miles on him, is getting slower, older, has 2 straight years of increased drops and isn't worth the money he thought. As unfair as that is to him in terms of what he's earned as a pro, it's the harsh truth of how players are viewed as FAs over the age of 30.
It's just the way it is. Welker can thank BB for trading for him because that production wasn't going to happen in Miami. Welker went from making the league min in 2006 to making a lot more. He then made a lot more than he should have in 2012, and has a nice payday to finish his career. I think he's going to be disappointed in Denver, however. Gomer is 2-9 outdooors in the postseason and 1 of those wins was in the rain in the SB, where he handed it off to Addai and Rhodes all game long.
Ouch. His agent didn't do his homework.
everything you are saying is old news. the point is with the alternatives brought on board, the team would have been a lot stronger with Wes, Amendola, Dobson, Bryce and a couple UDFA's. The team also could have easily paid Wes 2/$10, signed Amendola and paid Hernandez.
The crux of the argument is: are the Pats a better team with or with out Wes. I think the correct answer is at 3/$27 they would not be a better team. But at 2/$10 they would still have the financial flexability to sign Hernandez, Amendola, still draft the WR's, etc...
again, it appears the entire board agrees with this premise, except for you, who feels at any cost, Wes is a detriment to the team due to TB's reliance on him. you can name call all you want to support your theory, and tell everyone else they are wrong, but I think you are hard pressed to say the Pats are a better team with out Wes at 2/$10 based on the current alternatives on the team
Good. I am glad I am not a homer like most of the rest of this board is. I think a minority opinion here is a good thing considering the commentary I read here. lol
I don't feel Brady and Welker's relationship off the field is inherently invisible with their relationship on the field. I don't want to call Welker entitled because he's earned his career, but he comes off somewhat entitled in terms of what he thinks he's owed based on past production. Add up his close friendship with Tom Brady and he may see that as leverage in his mind. It's sort of what appears happened. Brady restructures probably thinking it easily secures his buddy staying. BB doesn't budge, actually lowers the price, which is an obvious trigger something is in the works, and Welker then made his move.
This in turn, could also be part of an ego problem, which BB may have sniffed out. BB also benched Welker in 2010 for making some subtle comments about feet and tying it to Rex Ryan. It;s not like Welker hasn't pushed the boundaries before. I've said this many, many times here: No one is above the team. Not Welkie, not Brady. I know it and I think BB for it because it's a big reason why this team channels as one every year and wins a minimum of 12 games nowadays. Welker's production is also incredibly bloated. If you're going for 10 grabs against a bad D, you better catch easy passes when the chips are on the table, because BB and the team or the fans, don't care about your stats vs a crappy D.
You can mock it, you can call it unfair, trolls can be jealous of it, etc. At the end of the day, I think the 5 mil per offer is multi facted: It's for budget reasons, it's to tell Wes "you aren't as big part of our offense anymore", and it's possibly to get him to walk outright so it's easier to separate themselves from what could be somewhat of a problem with Brady over-using Welker during games. It's been a problem whether you, some of our fans, or even Brady himself sees it.
You can deny it all day long, but Brady stares down Welker and/or Gronk on his 1st reads over and over and over, and he makes the play or doesn't, putting his hands back in his pouch and strutting down the field to line up another shotgun spread play, the formation Welker has to have to be effective. Go back and look at any game where Brady is under Center. Welker isn't effective and doesn't put up big numbers on the inside when Brady is under Center. It's the truth. But, in those games, when Brady has lesser stats against good Ds, we usually win those games. It happened a ton in 2010 after we started using more of the West Coast style plays with Brady under Center and BJGE as lead back. Welker still got his stats, but a guy like Branch got involved as did our TEs. It was very refreshing to see. Crumpler also helped our run game a la Dan Graham circa 2004.
That's my analysis and I am not changing it. I've seen what has unfolded publicly for us to see, I've seen all the plays, all the games, looked back at films of these games and watched closely and these are my conculsions.
Welker had 2 great looks at a SB win and in the second one, he and his buddy Brady REALLY blew it together. It's over. It's all over.
Yup, WW is gone, thank goodness. Now maybe Tom will go back to making his reads and throwing the ball instinctively instead of defaulting to Wes for security. Tom needed Wes to go as much as any other reason. He was too dependant on him, and unfortunately, in the end, WW let the team down.
some one has to be open to pass to, correct? seems BB wasnt too happy with last years collection either. they are all gone, except for Edelman. maybe TB wasnt "defaulting to Wes"...maybe no one was able to seperate and get open, leaving Wes as the only viable option?