Re: Welker situation
posted at 4/4/2012 12:22 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Welker situation
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Welker situation : While I agree with your assesment of Welker and his financial predicament, we part ways on your Forte observation. I love his skill set and would love to see him with the Pats, but at what cost? I assume the Bears would look for compensation of high draft picks, and the Pats still would need to sign Forte. I would assume he has set a value for himself in the $20-$30M range. He has been injury prone, and the Pats have spent high draft choices on the position. We have also been back and forth on Mankins, and I believe that he signed for fair market value for a top 3 NFL G, which he had been up until this past year. Question is was that due to injury or decline?
Posted by rkarp[/QUOTE]
My issues with Mankins is that he is overrated. He's our least disciplined OL and has been for 7 years. We aren't a run based team in a traditional sense and that's where his strength is (roadgrading blocking), so the furstration with his salary and what he delivers is real. I don't care if he drove a pick up truck across country and has a ranch, or looks tough. I go by what I see.
It wasn't fair market value. The Saints panicked and overpaid Evans. Nicks was just cut and he signed a bloated deal with TB because they had a ton of money to spend. One team's bloated signing or one team's desperation is not the market. You need to see a pattern before a market is set, and I would agree that has now happened, but it's in part because we caved to MAnkins. I would tagged and traded Mankins.
He played that victim role and now he's not as good as he claims. Light, Waters, Connolly and even some degree, Solder performed better than Mankins did in 2011. Now, we're developing Cannon to either play Tackle or Guard and will probably go in that direction in the draft yet again to keep the pipeline rolling.
I see the Mankins situation and this one as similar situations. Each is highly valued by the organization, and each needed to be given major raises, which in turn throws the formula completely out of whack.
Most of the money is invested in offense. Everyone keeps complaining about the D, but BB is spending it on offense more so than D. Ok, fine, but where does that end and where does the "problem" on offense end?
What people don't want to admit is that Moss and Welker were so good or now Gronk/Hern and Welker are so good, they're binkies for Brady.
If you peel back the layers, Brady's binky is now mainly Welker with a good dose of Gronk and some Hern. Before it was Moss and Welker. Brady and Welker just went on vacation together and spend every waking hour practiving together in the offseason. I'd prefer Brady practicing with Ochocinco, Lloyd and the newer players so the rapport he ended up developing with Branch and then Welker, will be there.
I am tired of seeing them dominate crappy competition and then NOT see the Brady/Welker connection work in the postseason. Again, I love both players, what they do, the passion, etc, and would tell them that to their face right now. But, you have to look to the future. You can't just pretend a top heavy roster on offense is what works, when we have seen that it doesn't. And you can't expect every single player 1-6 on the WR depth chart to be a future HOFer either.
Brady will be 35 in Sept. The last thing I want is him playing at 35 and 36 and throwing to a fading slot WR at age 32 and 33 at 9 million per season as some of our fanbase incorrectly bash this ascending, young D in an offensive era. It makes our offense predictable, limits our run game, momentum, attitude, game management, ball control, etc. Look no further than SB 46 as a major warning of how to adjust these future Pats teams on offense. Gronk being hurt, proves we need to balance it out more so.
Balance the offense out. Get a lead RB in here. I'd rather pay a lead RB (even though I don't want to) than pay a slot WR. In short, that's the point.
Now, if Welker was more reasonable at say 7.5 mil over 3 years (team option at 9 million in 2014), then that's a different story. But, he's holding out for years and around 9 million per, which I am not in favor of at all.