Welker vs Amendola Metrics

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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

    In response to zbellino's comment:

    There are very few statements I hate more than numbers don't lie. 

    Before Welker came to NE I could have said the EXACT SAME THING about Wes. He hadn't done squat, had never had a season with a positive DVOA ranking. He was basically a scrub slot player from Miami that BB took a risk spending a few draft picks on trading for. 

    The question is how does someone "project" into a system. 

    We can guess if DA is healthy he projects a certain way. 



    Look at the 2006 season Welker had with the Dolphins, the season before he became a Patriot.  67 receptions for 687 yards with Daunte Culpepper, Joey Herrington and Cleo Lemon at QB.  He was the teams leading receiver!!!  Chris Chambers of the dolphins made the Pro Bowl that year and Welker had more receptions, more yards and 3 fewer td's then Chris Chambers.  Welker probably should have made the Pro Bowl instead of him.  I don't think that would be a "scrub"

     

     

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

    In response to RidingWithTheKingII's comment:

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    There are very few statements I hate more than numbers don't lie. 

    Before Welker came to NE I could have said the EXACT SAME THING about Wes. He hadn't done squat, had never had a season with a positive DVOA ranking. He was basically a scrub slot player from Miami that BB took a risk spending a few draft picks on trading for. 

    The question is how does someone "project" into a system. 

    We can guess if DA is healthy he projects a certain way. 

     



    Look at the 2006 season Welker had with the Dolphins, the season before he became a Patriot.  67 receptions for 687 yards with Daunte Culpepper and Joey Herrington at QB.  He was the teams leading receiver!!!  I don't think that would be a "scrub"

     

     

     



    It's Harrington. And, I think it was Cleo Lemon who played there in 2006 as well.

     

     




    Hahah, I was updating it during your post.

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

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    The point is that Amendola's skill set helps diversify our offense and we don't need to overload the middle of the field anymore with Gronk, Hernandez and Welker.

     

    As Kraft said, that's too much money into one chunk of the field.

    Welker lost. That funny photo you made is Welker losing.  BB gave Hernandez, as the future slot player, a big chunk of the money Welkie wanted.

    You're just going to have get over it. You and PatsEng have a done quite a number with your antics here spamming the board losing your binky last week.

    GET OVER IT



    I'm over it as long as you don't continue to spew out false numbers, false statements to push your agenda.  Dude, you gotta admit everything you say is just your opinion, it's not fact!  So stop prentending your words are the facts.  They aren't, as a matter of fact your opinion is usually wrong when facts are checked and brought up into the discussion.  I owned you yesterday, I exposed you as the fraud that you are!! 

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

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    It's Harrington.

     



    Rusty is butt hurt that he has been proven a fraud so now he has turned into the spelling cop!!  Hurray!!

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

    As I've been saying all along, we'll see what happens when the season is played.  Sure, Amendola has some skills that project as positives in our offense.  But Welker does have a history of extraordinary production in this offense.  One hopes that Amendola helps diversify the offense a bit and replaces some of the production that Welker provided.  But at this point, we just don't know whether he can stay healthy, whether he and Brady can develop good chemistry, and whether he can contribute to the level Welker did for multiple seasons.  We'll see.  I don't think letting Welker go was a bad move necessarily. And I think picking up Amendola was a good one.  Ultimately, though, I think this offense needs a real permeter receiver, which is not what Amendola is.  If we get that, I think things will truly be improved. 

     
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    Wow Rusty, I've never seen anyone take it to you as bad at you've been crushed on this thread...

    I like alot of the stuff you've had to say in the past but you definitely got owned on this thread.

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

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    Wow Rusty, I've never seen anyone take it to you as bad at you've been crushed on this thread...

    I like alot of the stuff you've had to say in the past but you definitely got owned on this thread.




    I'm glad people are paying attention around here.  His nonsense needs to stop and the only way it can begin to stop is if he gets called out on all his BS and maybe, just maybe he might see it.

     
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    I have been calling him out for 3 years and he seems to be getting worse with each ban and name change 

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

    Amendola was a stunning .3 seconds faster than Welker in the 3-cone drill pre-draft, and Welker is impressive.  Even Welker couldn't cover Amendola.  When Amendola stops, defensive guys are still running away from him when he catches the ball.

    Amendola's on-field performance in Saint Louis isn't that useful because he was the only offensive weapon that the team had and all of the opponents knew that he was it.  Sam Bradford was pitching him the ball.  No wonder he got pounded.

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

    In response to kansaspatriot's comment:

    Here's the stat I like:

    Amendola’s success rate is considerably higher at 21.9 receptions per drop.

    Welker’s 11 drops last season were second-most in the NFL. Amendola’s drop rate (2.1 percent of targets dropped) rated second-lowest in the NFL.

     

    Sounds like BB made the right call



    It's a little hard to drop the ball when you aren't on the field to be thrown to. Fact is players with less looks tend to drop less balls, rate wise, then players that are targetted a lot. Notice the highest % drops usually comes from the players that are targetted the most. 

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

    I am not your enemy. I simply enjoy the banter...nothing personal.

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    In response to kansaspatriot's comment:

     

    Here's the stat I like:

    Amendola’s success rate is considerably higher at 21.9 receptions per drop.

    Welker’s 11 drops last season were second-most in the NFL. Amendola’s drop rate (2.1 percent of targets dropped) rated second-lowest in the NFL.

     

    Sounds like BB made the right call

     



    It's a little hard to drop the ball when you aren't on the field to be thrown to. Fact is players with less looks tend to drop less balls, rate wise, then players that are targetted a lot. Notice the highest % drops usually comes from the players that are targetted the most. 

     




    You are correct PatsEng. 

    Obviously it stands to reason that the more opportunity you have to drop a ball, the more balls you will drop.  KansasPatriot throws out the statement of Welkers drops comprared to Amedola's drop rate.  Yes, Amedola's drop rate is lower but he didn't have near the passes thrown to him as Welker did.  So he stops there and says Welker was at the top of the list in dropped passes.  Well, he is good company then because as you see below there were some very good WR's who dropped balls last season. 

    Welker (15 drops), Calvin Johnson (14 drops), Brandon Marshall (13 drops), Victor Cruz, Eric Decker and Donnie Avery (all tied 12 drops) all led the league last season in dropped passes.  But you gotta look inside the number for the whole story.  It's easy for people to jump in here and point fingers and throw out stats when the stats they throw out don't paint the full picture.  That's where they fail.

    Welker had 133 catchable drops, his drop rate was 11.28%, Johnson at 10.29% drop rate, Marshall at 9.92% drop rate, Cruz at 12.24% drop rate, Decker at 12.37Z% drop rate and Avery at 16.67% drop rate. 

    According to KansasPatriot's comment I guess since Amendola's drop rate is low then he is better then Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Victor Cruz, and Eric Decker too.  Maybe he should go a bit further and see that Wes Welker, while had the most drops wasn't even in the top 15 in highest drop rates. Just for kicks, Donnie Avery was at the top of the list with 12 drops out of 72 catchable passes, with a 16.67% drop rate.

    Since I have started paying more attention to peoples posts around here I am taken back by just how many people throw out blanket statements that really don't mean much when you fully look into the numbers.   None is worse then Rusty, but there are several here who I have always taken as good, educated posters that follow  Rusty's lead here with posting shallow comments acting like they are facts.

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

    In response to RidingWithTheKingII's comment:

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    Wow Rusty, I've never seen anyone take it to you as bad at you've been crushed on this thread...

    I like alot of the stuff you've had to say in the past but you definitely got owned on this thread.

     




    How did I get "owned"?  You kids are funny. I bludgeon you in the Bobby Orr thread and now you're looking to ally with my known enemies as some way of reagaing your footing.

     

    lol

    Just move on. Your comments about Cindy Crosby being better than Gretzky were flat out embarrassing for you.

     




    You got owned by you being called out and exposed for throwing out incorrect statements acting like they are true facts just to push your agenda here.  Do your research before posting garbage when comparing players or making slanted and false statements to help your cause. You are a fraud here Rusty.

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

    i think it simple

    Pats / Kraft  had a $# and Welkr didn't want it

    Welker is 32? and Amendola 27-8?

    WR's stop being good in their early 30's

    Welker has been beat up alot ( tuff tuff kid)

    But better to decouple a year early than a year late

    More than anything else from the SB winning years                                                                  it seems to me that TB mixes his receivers as much -                                                           during the season - NBD -but in the playoffs it has.                                                            and Welker has been hammered w/o our TE duo in                                                            there he really got nailed and he made some drops

    So for this year I don't think it makes a difference- what we do                                          need is some real speed and the ability to get open on the outside

    Will PM use Welker the same way? will either or both get hurt?                                           As BB said - tell me when a player is going to get hurt and i will take him out

     

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

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    How is me asking for metrics between Amendola and Welker in order to discuss the positives of each to compare in each context (Rams vs Patriots), me being "owned"?

     

    Could it be you're a little insecure and butt hurt, not to mention EMBARRASSED beyond belief, thinking Welker had leverage on BB? 

    Just who is one person who challenged you on that dumb premise? Me.

    Welker never had leverage. EVER. Moss didn't either. Get over it.

    Amedola drops the ball far less than Welker, too. Not to mention he's played with a weaker cast, weaker QB, and can line up in all spots, etc.

    I wanted to see metrics. Z provided those for discussion purposes. Meanwhile, you've tried to delfect and spam the thread in fear of Amendola looking like the better future option over your binky.

     



    Spin, Spin, Spin!!

    You lost all credibility with this comment..... "How is me asking for metrics between Amendola and Welker in order to discuss the positives of each to compare in each context (Rams vs Patriots)"

    Hahaha!! you are so full of it!!  You weren't going to do that.  You were asking for help to find facts because someone actually called you out on it you not having facts, only using your opinion and trying to make people believe they were true facts!!

    I provided facts that totally shot holes in ALL of your previous Amedola/Welker comparissons that were based on just you opinions... so here you are trying to find facts that you could counter my facts with... But you never could!!  IT"S ONLY YOUR OPINION!! 

    Z provided opinions, he didn't provide numbers.  Numbers are facts.  Opinions are not facts!

     

     

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

    In response to RidingWithTheKingII's comment:

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    Wow Rusty, I've never seen anyone take it to you as bad at you've been crushed on this thread...

    I like alot of the stuff you've had to say in the past but you definitely got owned on this thread.

     




    How did I get "owned"?  You kids are funny. I bludgeon you in the Bobby Orr thread and now you're looking to ally with my known enemies as some way of reagaing your footing.

     

    lol

    Just move on. Your comments about Cindy Crosby being better than Gretzky were flat out embarrassing for you.

     



    Repost where Ispecifically said 87 was better then 99 ? Please find it! You can't cause I never said that..go reread that debate..stop talking out of your behind..

     
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    Re: Welker vs Amendola Metrics

    In response to HOTBLITZ's comment:

    In response to RidingWithTheKingII's comment:

     

    In response to HOTBLITZ's comment:

     

    Wow Rusty, I've never seen anyone take it to you as bad at you've been crushed on this thread...

    I like alot of the stuff you've had to say in the past but you definitely got owned on this thread.

     




    How did I get "owned"?  You kids are funny. I bludgeon you in the Bobby Orr thread and now you're looking to ally with my known enemies as some way of reagaing your footing.

     

    lol

    Just move on. Your comments about Cindy Crosby being better than Gretzky were flat out embarrassing for you.

     

     



    Repost where Ispecifically said 87 was better then 99 ? Please find it! You can't cause I never said that..go reread that debate..stop talking out of your behind..

     



    Andbludgeoned me? Lmao please bro.. Your street hockey credentials hardly make u look good..

    • You sound like a wannabe Don Cherry who spews hot garbage that has very little substance when It comes to hockey..Stick to football.

    I invite anyone to go read our debate on the Orr thread and see If I got owned, lmao snap out of it bud.

     
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