Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

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    Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

    I firmly believe this is the case.  Welker stated he went low thinking Talib was going to go over the top.....BS.  Welker had zero intention of being a reciever on the play ....hell he was putting his shoulder into Talib while the ball was in the air.

    IMO....I believe the Denver coaching staff specifically Del Rio put the hit on Talib knowing the devastating impact Talib absence would have on the Pats D.  They had first hand knowledge of this last season after seeing what happened when he went out of the Ravens AFC game.

    My next question is.....why did Hooman get a PI penalty and Welker did not.  A receiver cannot block downfield until after the ball is received by another reciever and Thomas never caught the ball.....in fact after reviewing the film....the hit on Talib occurred prior to the ball being touched by Thomas.

    I know this is water under the bridge but that single play opened up the Pats pass defense allowing Denver to move the ball up and down the field the rest of the game.

    I believe the Pats need to imploy the identical tactics in the future.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

    Yes, I agree, Welker's intent was to "block" Talib while he was trying to cover his receiver, thereby creating a "pick play".  Unfortunately, an injury occurred.

    Are we to imply that every block attempt is done with the intent to injure?  Granted, the "block" by Welker was awfully hard for a pick play as normally such plays are more to brush or impede a defender.  What I did find interesting was how relatively low Welker went in that hit versus staying upright and stay shoulder to shoulder.

    Either way, this game is done and we can't have that play over, can we? 

     
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    Re: Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

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    I firmly believe this is the case.  Welker stated he went low thinking Talib was going to go over the top.....BS.  Welker had zero intention of being a reciever on the play ....hell he was putting his shoulder into Talib while the ball was in the air.

    IMO....I believe the Denver coaching staff specifically Del Rio put the hit on Talib knowing the devastating impact Talib absence would have on the Pats D.  They had first hand knowledge of this last season after seeing what happened when he went out of the Ravens AFC game.

    My next question is.....why did Hooman get a PI penalty and Welker did not.  A receiver cannot block downfield until after the ball is received by another reciever and Thomas never caught the ball.....in fact after reviewing the film....the hit on Talib occurred prior to the ball being touched by Thomas.

    I know this is water under the bridge but that single play opened up the Pats pass defense allowing Denver to move the ball up and down the field the rest of the game.

    I believe the Pats need to imploy the identical tactics in the future.

     

     

     

     




    Papa John don't bother to post.....u r on ignore

     
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    Re: Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

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    Little Wes Welker being used as an assassin? say it ain't so. lmao!!!!   Laughing




    Papa john, are you going to be on this forum after Seattle beats the Broncos?

     
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    Re: Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

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    Little Wes Welker being used as an assassin? say it ain't so. lmao!!!!   Laughing




    Papa john, are you going to be on this forum after Seattle beats the Broncos?



    I love it when you Patsie trolls predict the outcome of games. It always works out great fo me. Please continue. 

    And to answer your question.... I will be here WIN or Lose. I like it here, I think I'll stick around for awhile. Laughing




    Shouldn't you be preparing your butt for another authorized entry by Manning's dick?

     
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    Re: Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

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    In response to jaxpat's comment:

    I firmly believe this is the case.  Welker stated he went low thinking Talib was going to go over the top.....BS.  Welker had zero intention of being a reciever on the play ....hell he was putting his shoulder into Talib while the ball was in the air.

    IMO....I believe the Denver coaching staff specifically Del Rio put the hit on Talib knowing the devastating impact Talib absence would have on the Pats D.  They had first hand knowledge of this last season after seeing what happened when he went out of the Ravens AFC game.

    My next question is.....why did Hooman get a PI penalty and Welker did not.  A receiver cannot block downfield until after the ball is received by another reciever and Thomas never caught the ball.....in fact after reviewing the film....the hit on Talib occurred prior to the ball being touched by Thomas.

    I know this is water under the bridge but that single play opened up the Pats pass defense allowing Denver to move the ball up and down the field the rest of the game.

    I believe the Pats need to imploy the identical tactics in the future.




    Right, so Fox and his coaching staff decided to use an important receiver who weighs 180lbs and is two weeks removed from concussion issues as a battering ram on a larger defensive back.

    Do you actually think before posting?




    An important receiver.........he is least important receiver on the Denver receiving corp currently.  Besides by him initiating the contact in that manner it was extremely low risk for Welker.

    Listen.....I've been watching football before u were born......I've seen a ton of pick plays .....knowing Manning's offense is predicated on that play and can u tell me how many are executed in that manner with the cutting receiver putting his shoulder low into the db......I do not recall

     
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    Re: Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

    In response to jaxpat's comment:

    I firmly believe this is the case.  Welker stated he went low thinking Talib was going to go over the top.....BS.  Welker had zero intention of being a reciever on the play ....hell he was putting his shoulder into Talib while the ball was in the air.

    IMO....I believe the Denver coaching staff specifically Del Rio put the hit on Talib knowing the devastating impact Talib absence would have on the Pats D.  They had first hand knowledge of this last season after seeing what happened when he went out of the Ravens AFC game.

    My next question is.....why did Hooman get a PI penalty and Welker did not.  A receiver cannot block downfield until after the ball is received by another reciever and Thomas never caught the ball.....in fact after reviewing the film....the hit on Talib occurred prior to the ball being touched by Thomas.

    I know this is water under the bridge but that single play opened up the Pats pass defense allowing Denver to move the ball up and down the field the rest of the game.

    I believe the Pats need to imploy the identical tactics in the future.

     

     

     

     



    If that was Den's plan they used one of their better WRs with recent concussion issues to take out a CB? That's makes no sense. First it could potentially end Welkers career if he didn't hit right. Second, opens up Den and the NFL to a massive lawsuit if he was ordered to put his career on the line to take out another player. Actually, given how he ducked his head down and away from the body my guess would be he wanted to make sure he didn't get injured on the play and unfortunately Talib is just fragile. What person in their right mind would say, oh coach you want me to take him out? Sure it could cost me a chance to play in another SB, end my career, and cause permenant brain damage that will greatly shorten my life but anything to take a s h o t at taking out another player I use to be team mates with. Yeah I'm sure that's exactly how it went down. Come on use some common sense. It was a pick play. The Pats run them all the time too. Welker was nervous about getting his bell rung again because Talib is higher and his shoulder is perfect height to impact Welkers head so he ducked it out of the way. If you believe that was intentionally meant to take Talib out of the game and not just out of that play the you must also believe BB orders hits on other CBs too when he calls pick plays.

     
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    Re: Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

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    Little Wes Welker being used as an assassin? say it ain't so. lmao!!!!   Laughing




    Papa john, are you going to be on this forum after Seattle beats the Broncos?



    I love it when you Patsie trolls predict the outcome of games. It always works out great fo me. Please continue. 

    And to answer your question.... I will be here WIN or Lose. I like it here, I think I'll stick around for awhile. Laughing




    Shouldn't you be preparing your butt for another authorized entry by Manning's dick?



    REPORTED!  Laughing




    Poor baby troll wants to whine to the mods? Whaaaaaaa

     
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    Re: Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    In response to jaxpat's comment:

    I firmly believe this is the case.  Welker stated he went low thinking Talib was going to go over the top.....BS.  Welker had zero intention of being a reciever on the play ....hell he was putting his shoulder into Talib while the ball was in the air.

    IMO....I believe the Denver coaching staff specifically Del Rio put the hit on Talib knowing the devastating impact Talib absence would have on the Pats D.  They had first hand knowledge of this last season after seeing what happened when he went out of the Ravens AFC game.

    My next question is.....why did Hooman get a PI penalty and Welker did not.  A receiver cannot block downfield until after the ball is received by another reciever and Thomas never caught the ball.....in fact after reviewing the film....the hit on Talib occurred prior to the ball being touched by Thomas.

    I know this is water under the bridge but that single play opened up the Pats pass defense allowing Denver to move the ball up and down the field the rest of the game.

    I believe the Pats need to imploy the identical tactics in the future.

     

     

     

     



    If that was Den's plan they used one of their better WRs with recent concussion issues to take out a CB? That's makes no sense. First it could potentially end Welkers career if he didn't hit right. Second, opens up Den and the NFL to a massive lawsuit if he was ordered to put his career on the line to take out another player. Actually, given how he ducked his head down and away from the body my guess would be he wanted to make sure he didn't get injured on the play and unfortunately Talib is just fragile. What person in their right mind would say, oh coach you want me to take him out? Sure it could cost me a chance to play in another SB, end my career, and cause permenant brain damage that will greatly shorten my life but anything to take a s h o t at taking out another player I use to be team mates with. Yeah I'm sure that's exactly how it went down. Come on use some common sense. It was a pick play. The Pats run them all the time too. Welker was nervous about getting his bell rung again because Talib is higher and his shoulder is perfect height to impact Welkers head so he ducked it out of the way. If you believe that was intentionally meant to take Talib out of the game and not just out of that play the you must also believe BB orders hits on other CBs too when he calls pick plays.



    While I agree with the portion of this statement that said--the intention was to take Talib out of the play vs. the game---the simple fact is there are two words in both those statements that match:   take out.   That is where everything gets murky.  When you intend to "take out" a player---the potential is ALWAYS for that person to get injured and/or have to leave the game.  When, in baseball, the lead runner "takes out" the middle infielder---isn't there a chance those guys get injured?  And what is the possibility of the runner getting injured--very minimal.  When you are making a hit in football you can protect yourself a lot better than the person receiving the hit.  MAKE NO MISTAKE--WELKER WAS TAKING TALIB OUT.  This was no "rub" --- not even really a pick---it was a full out slam-into block.  AND OF COURSE IN REPLY TO ALL YOU MORONS SAYING A CONCUSSED PLAYER WOULD NOT DO THAT----YES THEY WOULD IF THEY KNEW WHAT AND HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT INJURING THEMSELVES.  Any time a player w/concussions straps on a football helmet and run a play they have the potential to scramble their brains---but when they know what they are intending to do their safety increases.  Welker is a smart football player--he knew how to disguise it.  And in reply to the doofi (plural of doofus--I just made up) saying that the Edelman play was the same simply are not paying attention--Edelman contacted Cromartie AFTER the catch had been made--he was blocking.  This was a designed play---run Talib into a pick---and make sure you stick him---not just "rub" him which means almost make contact but force the player to redirect.  Welker SLAMS HIS WHOLE BODY INTO TALIB.  Again, I don't think he meant to hurt his knee--I think that was just a timing thing when Talib planted his leg.  But I do believe the hip was a target.  Just like when a QB has a hurt arm or leg  the DL goes after it---this was designed to rough Talib up in that area. 

     
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    Re: Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

    In response to PapaJohn18's comment:

    Talib is 6 '1" 205lbs.
    Welker 5'9" 185 lbs coming off two concussion. 
    It was meant to create separation from the receiver and the db. Every team does it. 
    You don't send a key piece of your receiving team who is a lot smaller and had recently suffered two concussions to "take out" a bigger guy and risk him getting hurt and not being able to play in the SB. 
    You lost. Quit looking for excuses.  Laughing



    Any rational Pats fan knows that we lost---and not just because of this incident.  They beat us--plain and simple.  If Talib stays in the game---Manning finds another way.  He was on Sunday.  Perfect conditions and he was at the top of his game.  Cudos.  But to make the argument that because Welker is a smaller player he couldnt/didnt do what he did---then you dont know football.  Most DE's are smaller---much smaller than OL---but they still do ok right?  It is all about the plan--the play--the strategy.  If I am 5'9" and 185 pounds of muscle and I am headed at you--with the intention of slamming into you---and you are not paying attention---who has the advantage?  Hmm, I think Hines Ward made a living out of doing that.  He knocked out Keith Rivers from a game--and basically football doing that---what were their physical stats? Wait, I will give them to you moron----6'2 242lbs Rivers---6'0' 205lbs Ward---Ward broke his jaw.  Just for math sake--that is 37lbs difference vs. 20lbs difference Welker/Talib. Get it?  And Welker is a bright guy---he wasnt going to lead w/his head or put himself in a position where his head was going to be injured.   

     
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    Re: Welker's hit on Talib was intentional

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    While I agree with the portion of this statement that said--the intention was to take Talib out of the play vs. the game---the simple fact is there are two words in both those statements that match:   take out.   That is where everything gets murky.  When you intend to "take out" a player---the potential is ALWAYS for that person to get injured and/or have to leave the game.  When, in baseball, the lead runner "takes out" the middle infielder---isn't there a chance those guys get injured?  And what is the possibility of the runner getting injured--very minimal.  When you are making a hit in football you can protect yourself a lot better than the person receiving the hit.  MAKE NO MISTAKE--WELKER WAS TAKING TALIB OUT.  This was no "rub" --- not even really a pick---it was a full out slam-into block.  AND OF COURSE IN REPLY TO ALL YOU MORONS SAYING A CONCUSSED PLAYER WOULD NOT DO THAT----YES THEY WOULD IF THEY KNEW WHAT AND HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT INJURING THEMSELVES.  Any time a player w/concussions straps on a football helmet and run a play they have the potential to scramble their brains---but when they know what they are intending to do their safety increases.  Welker is a smart football player--he knew how to disguise it.  And in reply to the doofi (plural of doofus--I just made up) saying that the Edelman play was the same simply are not paying attention--Edelman contacted Cromartie AFTER the catch had been made--he was blocking.  This was a designed play---run Talib into a pick---and make sure you stick him---not just "rub" him which means almost make contact but force the player to redirect.  Welker SLAMS HIS WHOLE BODY INTO TALIB.  Again, I don't think he meant to hurt his knee--I think that was just a timing thing when Talib planted his leg.  But I do believe the hip was a target.  Just like when a QB has a hurt arm or leg  the DL goes after it---this was designed to rough Talib up in that area. 



    Well then all OL players want to injure D players on running plays because the blocking is to take out would be tacklers out of the play. And CB's bumping at the line intend to take out receivers off the play at the line. And, RB's intend to take out a rusher when they are blitz blocking so I guess they intend to injury too. "Take out" happens on every play of every game the intention of a D is to take out receivers from the play to prevent them from making a play and on O the intent is for blockers to take out tacklers to prevent tackles. We just made an important discovery, every player intentionally tries to take out other players and there is a chance someone might get injured. Omw, everyones a headhunter! Btw the Pats have run pick plays in which the WR besically tackled a defender too. Sometimes they got called and sometimes they didn't but like every tackle they could result in injury just like every tackle in the game could result in injury. And if you every played the game a tackle into the gut with your shoulder carries a far less risk to injury then going at someones knees or head or colliding with full shoulder by their chin.

     
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