Re: What a headache for Colts!
posted at 7/27/2011 11:08 AM EDT
In Response to Re: What a headache for Colts!
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What a headache for Colts! : Dogg: you've been exposed on the Brady contract issue many, many times - just give it up. You have no proof, only supposition that he took it to the press. I have no proof that you're into farm animals, so just because I think you "might" be doesn't cut the mustard. You've been on the wrong end of several issues like this. You "hear" and "see" what you want to "hear" and "see" and you've been "seen" on this forum for a hypocrite by several posters. It isn't because you're a Colts fan, it's because you're a hypocrite - that plain, that simple. I really think you just like coming on here to stir the pot, and occasionally (very occasionally) you actually have a good point - but you're off on this and continuing to beat this dead colt only exposes you even more.
Posted by gr82bme[/QUOTE]
Typical Doggie doo...trying to misdirect the discussion.
In my "Peyton Situation a Pain in the Neck" thread, I posted the following IndyStar article this morning. It backs up everything we've been saying over the past several months about Manning...and completely refutes The Dog(gggg). But, no surprise, there. He is a walking, talking refutation...LOL!!! Here's the article: http://www.indystar.com/article/20110727/SPORTS15/107270318/Kravitz-Manning-s-contract-needs-signed-now
But...the best part...is the comments from Colts' fans...who are finally catching onto the greedy Gomer. Here are some examples:
1.) Manning still has the skills to get it done for a few more years. It's a shame he's not willing to take less than market value so the Colts could load up players that would help him get the job done a couple more times. He has already been paid almost 150 mil from his first two contracts. And untold millions from years of commercials. How could money be more important than Super Bowls at this point in his life?
2.) Give him his $25 million, but make him give the team back a million everytime he throws an interception or chokes. That should balance the spreadsheet and give the team enough money to buy a new jet, and sign enough vetern free agents to fill it. Love the guy, he is the franchise, but lets keep this in perspective.
3.) As a "Colts Fan", I want to believe that Manning is the best QB but Bradeys' 3 rings rings volumes. Manning should put his money on his talents and sign for 18 million or less. If he wins super-bowls, the money will take care of itself
4.) A tricky situation. If they sign him to big bucks, but backload it, they run the risk of seriously damaging the team should Manning not play out the contract. Dead cap money can kill a team for years. Manning is the face of the franchise, and he deserves to be well paid, but he's also already made nearly $150 million. He hasn't produced the championships that a Brady or even a Roethlisberger has. I can't see how he's worth $7 million more than the guy who has 3 rings and is younger. IMHO he should be paid in the $18-$19 million range, no more.
5.) I say the following as a diehard Colts/Manning fan: the only reason to pay any player such a high percentage of the salary cap is that he gives the team the best chance to compete for a championship. If giving in to the player's demands means forfeiting the opportunity to win the Super Bowl, then the only choice is to wait until the very last moment, after all the other teams have used up their cap, all the other QB slots have been filled and then.........cut him.
A Painter-led Colts team would go 2 and 14 and likely get first pick in next year's draft, Andrew Luck.
Manning would be facing an enormous pay cut, a new city, a new team, a new set of receivers, a system not built around his unique approach to the game, new doctors, a new training staff and two weeks to make it all work. Make him run and he's ineffective. Give him receivers he hasn't worked with for years and he is an average QB. Put him on a bad team and he's a 50 sack year from retirement.
If the Colts can't compete for the Super Bowl this year because of the demands of one player, cut him, distribute his millions to other, more worthy, veterans, dare to stink for a year or two and go find your next franchise quarterback.
6.) Manning doesn't deserve to be the highest paid player, bc from now till he retires he wont be the best. don't pay him for his past performance. Manning is a greedy and arrogant person.....he may be america's boy on tv, but in reality he is arrogant! pay him well, but we need A LOT of other help to come in because our team is a wild card team and nothing more. When Manning retires, all the fair-weather corporate suits will stop coming, the fair-weather fans won't come back....don't leverage everything on a guy that cant win the big one!
7.) Maybe we should take up a collection for Peyton. Better yet, let's give him $10 million for each playoff victory (what the heck double it for the Super Bowl) and subtract $10 million for each playoff loss (doubling it again for the Super Bowl). I think he now owes us. I am 57 and a lifelong Colts fan. I want my team to succeed in the regular season (thanks, Johnny U, Bert and Peyton) AND in the playoffs (thanks Johnny U). I will admit to never being a huge Manning fan. I am glad we took him over Ryan Leaf, but was always suspicious of him in money games and still am - now off the field as well as on. He generally comes up smallest in the biggest games. Yes yes yes, he was Super Bowl MVP but the honor should have gone to Rhodes and Addai. And really, except for one super outstanding half of football during the Super Bowl run, he didn't show a whole lot. Irsay was stupid. Manning should take his $20M and be happy.
8.) Hoping Manning and/or Condon will read this article, aren't you? So positive and upbeat, it 'almost' looks like you're kissing their butts. I guess trying this approach first makes sense. But from what I've heard about Manning, he's not the great guy so many think he is. He has an ego, and a mean streak, and yes, he's selfish and spoiled. I predict any contract deal will be last-minute.
9.) I understand the need to pay Manning some good $$$ since, well, he is Manning and really the face of the franchise. BUT there is absolutely NO reason to break the bank and have the team suffer because of greed. Manning can take 18 million (OMG-18 million, seriously!!! for football, wow-I could use just 1% of that). He will get his money via more years and put a solid team around him. I really hope Manning and Condon get a clue and make a team friendly deal. Brady has 3 rings for a reason.
10.) Just a thought. Tampa Bay is way under the salary cap. They can afford to overpay Mr. Greedy. Manning is on the decline. Trade for Josh Freeman + their best D lineman. Then we have a good young QB and plenty of room under the cap to sign even more good talent. Of course Tampa may not even go for something like this.
11.) Manning is getting old and this is a business. Looking at this year we are screwed because there is no other quarterback in training. Condon gets a cut so he doesn't care about the well being of the team. Don't compare Manning to Brady. Unfortunately, Brady has had the Colts number many more times than the other and they have the Championships to prove it. Manning has been a great team player who has made piles of money. We have also received benefit from his services. Unfortunately, he is posturing for big bucks at the expense of the whole team and big picture because his days are numbered and his health luck is proving to run out. I'm sure many teams out there would love to get their hands on him but can they surround themselves with quality players that will make him shine and have an offensive strategy that is suitable to his demeanor.http://www.indystar.com/comments/article/20110727/SPORTS15/107270318/Kravitz-Manning-s-new-contract-needs-signed-Now
- LOL!!! Thoughts...anyone?? How 'bout you, Dog(gggg)??