What a headache for Colts!

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What a headache for Colts! : You are a Hyprocrite, I dont know how you cannot see it.  Brady was so good over the past 2 seasons, why was HE one and done the last 2 seasons, but Manning has been one and done 7 times, BUT it was his TEAMS fault.  Grow up & smell what you are shoveling!
    Posted by gln826[/QUOTE]

         gln...you're wasting your time trying to carry on an intelligent discussion with this immature troll. May I suggest the ignore function?
     
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    i never said brady won all them by hisself now did I, but he did drive them down the field in the 1st 2SB for game winning kicks, brady and the oline, rb's, wr's te, drove them down the field to win the first 2sb, what did playtex do in his 1st 2 SB, he sure didnt drive them down to win it, instead i do remember him THROWING A PICK 6, TB never threw a pick 6 on the grand stage, but im guessing that wasnt playtex's fault now was it, im guessing it was curtis painter in there wearing a manning jersey (thats probably it isnt underputz)  FACTS:  BRADY 14-5 IN THE POSTSEASON, PLAYTEX 9-10, 3SB RINGS TO 1 SB RING, 4 APPEARANCES TO 2, 2X ONE AND DONE VS 7X ONE AND DONE, go research playtex's numbers in them 2 SB, he didnt even deserve MVP in the first one, should have been the RB (rhodes or the DB who ran it back) manning has sucked big time in the post season, dont you find it ironic that he can play great in the reg season but stinks it up in the post season, and isnt it ironic that tennessee could never play for a NC those 4 years he was there, and then his first year gone TENN WINS A NC W/TEE MARTIN AT THE QB POSITION, manning has always been a "choker in the big games" and he still is , but based on your logic it was the teams fault and not mannings, you are an IDIOT!!  No wonder no one likes you, go back to ingay star.com with the other idiot clot lovers, just remember manning< brady esp in the playoffs and in head to head games (8-4 brady chump, (2-1 in the playoffs chump) if manning was "so great" he would have TB'S RINGS AND THEN SOME, but back to reality (the real world) everyone knows he is a crybaby putz, he throws more pics than anyone i know, good luck with your sorry arss team this year-one thing is for sure, playtex might be 8x one and done this year again and of course it will be the teams fault and not mannings OH and good luck with that lame arss coach of a joke fraud caldwell, (lets call i timeout so the jets can get closer and beat us again)Cry cry underputz cry just like the clot nation does after every year in year out, manning has 1 ring from 1998-present-ya real clutch, you clot fans act like you have 5-6SB when you only have 1, and anyone with 1 brain cell knows 3 rings are greater than 1, 14-5 greater than 9-10, 2x one and done /> 7x one and done, ya #18 is real clutch, real clutch at being one and done, see ya in december at the razor-good chance of snow, rain and wind and we know playtex has "nightmares" at the razor-has thrown 1 or more pics everytime he has played at the razor.
     
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    I am a hypocrite?  Time for you to dig a little deeper into that mind of yours gln. 

    I never said that Brady's 2 one and done's were his fault.  That (as you just showed) is the pats fan's argument against Manning.  Pats fans assign success and failure to one player because of team victories.  I don't.  I think Dan Marino is better than Jim McMahon. 

    I said Manning is better because he's won 4 mvp's and been honored with 5 1st team all pro designations and 3 send team all pro designations to Brady's 2 mvps and 2 1st team all pro designations.  Also, Manning was placed higher than Brady in the NFL Network's all-time greatest 100.  There's more than just this, but this provides "consensus" evidence from people who work within the industry.

    But, because Pats fans are so adamant in your view that the pats success is attributable soley to Brady (and by deduction the colts failures are attributable soley to Manning), I've simply asked:

    If Brady is better over the last few years than he was when the pats were winning SB's (and Pats fans say he is as do his MVP awards), and if Brady has a better supporting cast around him now than when the pats were winning SB's (and Pats fans say he does),  then logic says the pats should at least be as successful as they were when they were winning SB's - but they aren't. 

    So gln, your argument for Brady and against Manning fails.  If you want to argue, come up with something else. 

     
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    08i never said brady won all them by hisself (hisself?) now did I, but he did drive them down the field in the 1st 2SB for game winning kicks, brady and the oline, rb's, wr's te, drove them down the field to win the first 2sb, what did playtex do in his 1st 2 SB, he sure didnt drive them down to win it, instead i do remember him THROWING A PICK 6, TB never threw a pick 6 on the grand stage,
    so what you are saying potty mouth is that you have a limited memory? 

    00  -Manning drove the team to FG position to win in OT vs. the Fins.  Vanderjagt missed.  Never happened to Brady. 
    02 - Early in the game Manning puts team in FG range. Vanderjagt misses.  By the colts 3rd possession, they are down 17-0 with no turnovers due to Manning.
    05 - Manning drove the team to FG range to put the game into OT.  vanderjagt missed. 
    07 - Manning drives team to SD 5 yd line.  throws a perfect dump off pass to Kenton Keith who stonehands it at the 2 only to have it drop into Eric Weddle's arms who is laying on the ground.
    10 - Manning drives team to FG position and team takes lead with less than 1 minute to go only to have Indy's coach call timeout giving NYJ the opp to retain their last timeout and call a play that puts them in FG position.
    I am not saying Manning is blameless, but if we are going to assign greatness entirely to a team record then its important to know what happened in some of the colts losses.  Here's some more: 

    99- indy's d gave up 197 yds rushing.
    00 - gave up 258 yds rushing.
    02 - gave up 180 yds rushing.
    08 - gave up 167 yds rushing.
    10 - gave up 169 yds rushing.  Guess Manning should have played D.   



    but im guessing that wasnt playtex's fault now was it, im guessing it was curtis painter in there wearing a manning jersey (thats probably it isnt underputz)  FACTS:  BRADY 14-5 IN THE POSTSEASON, PLAYTEX 9-10, 3SB RINGS TO 1 SB RING, 4 APPEARANCES TO 2, 2X ONE AND DONE VS 7X ONE AND DONE,
    Again attributing the team records entirely to Brady and Manning, yet above you said they didn't win/lose all by themselves.   How about you work on your consistency BIC.   

    go research playtex's numbers in them 2 SB, he didnt even deserve MVP in the first one, should have been the RB (rhodes or the DB who ran it back) manning has sucked big time in the post season, dont you find it ironic that he can play great in the reg season but stinks it up in the post season,
    Ah, too bad you didn't get a vote on this.  I suppose it wouldn't surprise you if I said Brady didn't deserve his 01 SB MVP - 145 yds and 59% completion rate?  Please.  Vinatieri deserved MVP.

    and isnt it ironic that tennessee could never play for a NC those 4 years he was there, and then his first year gone TENN WINS A NC W/TEE MARTIN AT THE QB POSITION, manning has always been a "choker in the big games" and he still is , but based on your logic it was the teams fault and not mannings, you are an IDIOT!! 
    And yet Manning has won the big game.  Has an SB MVP.  Has 4 other MVP's to Brady's 2.  Has 5 1st team all pro's to Brady's 2 and 3 2nd team all pro's to Brady's 0.  Good point BIC.  You are killing it today BIC.  LOL!


    No wonder no one likes you, go back to ingay star.com with the other idiot clot lovers, just remember manning< brady esp in the playoffs and in head to head games (8-4 brady chump, (2-1 in the playoffs chump) if manning was "so great" he would have TB'S RINGS AND THEN SOME, but back to reality (the real world) everyone knows he is a crybaby putz, he throws more pics than anyone i know, good luck with your sorry arss team this year-one thing is for sure, playtex might be 8x one and done this year again and of course it will be the teams fault and not mannings OH and good luck with that lame arss coach of a joke fraud caldwell, (lets call i timeout so the jets can get closer and beat us again)Cry cry underputz cry just like the clot nation does after every year in year out, manning has 1 ring from 1998-present-ya real clutch, you clot fans act like you have 5-6SB when you only have 1, and anyone with 1 brain cell knows 3 rings are greater than 1, 14-5 greater than 9-10, 2x one and done /> 7x one and done, ya #18 is real clutch, real clutch at being one and done, see ya in december at the razor-good chance of snow, rain and wind and we know playtex has "nightmares" at the razor-has thrown 1 or more pics everytime he has played at the razor.

    Thanks for the Caldwell comment - you just helped disprove your own argument.  Talk about STUPID.
     
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    Stop crying about your FG kicker, dont you think Rivers has had a worse FG kicker in the Playoffs than Manning?  Or should I get all the Facts about missing kicks, Rivers vs Mannings?
     
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    hmm dont the colts got vinitri from us that won game winning fgs for the pats hmm think so ,so whats the problem now ud6?
     
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    go step out in front of a moving train underputz, we do not like you, we could care less if you disapear forever, those are all FACTS on what was stated above, brady is 14-5 in the playoffs, putzboy 9-10, AGAIN FACTS YOU F-ING IDIOT, i know it must suck to be a clot lover, now please go kill yourself and do the world a favor!!  Like i said, if manning was SO GREAT HE WOULD HAVE TOM'S RINGS (GET IT PLURAL) VS A RING!!!  how long did it take for playtex to finally win one, 8-9 years, and couldnt get it done at the college level either, good thing the bears had rex grossman or you would have lost that one also, AGAIN PLAYTEX THANKS REX GROOOOOSMAN!!!!  Enjoy another choke job year by the clots, how many pics this year for your boy 16 +  , NOW please go away and kill yourself or go back to inGAYland and talk about it with your other stupid fans-although i just checked indystar and there are alot of clot fans who think playtex is greedy and think they should part ways-----hmmm i guess all colt fans are not as stupid as you


    ps it took an ex pat (adam v) for the clots to figure out how to win a SB, how ironic is that..............an ex patriot in order for ingay to succeed!

     
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         Hey guys...anybody heard about the Colts making any moves in free agency? No??

         I wonder why?? LOL!!!
     
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         Apparently, Greedy Gomer is starting to feel the heat in Indy. Colts' fans know that his outrageous contract demands threaten to destroy their team...and, over the past week, they, along with Colts'  owner Jim Irsay, have begun to publicly criticize the Hoosier hero. 

         Accordingly, Gomer is now singing a different tune,,,saying that he doesn't have to be the games' highest paid player: http://www.indystar.com/article/20110729/SPORTS03/110729013/Manning-Irsay-don-t-need-NFL-s-highest-paid-player
     
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    [QUOTE]Stop crying about your FG kicker, dont you think Rivers has had a worse FG kicker in the Playoffs than Manning?  Or should I get all the Facts about missing kicks, Rivers vs Mannings?
    Posted by gln826[/QUOTE]

    I suppose its a little humbling for you to learn how important Vinatieri is to your impression of Brady's legacy when you learn how much bad luck Manning's had with his kicker.  Not sure what Rivers has to do with our discussion, then again, you haven't really been very logical in your argument anyway. 
     
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    [QUOTE]hmm dont the colts got vinitri from us that won game winning fgs for the pats hmm think so ,so whats the problem now ud6?
    Posted by lippa[/QUOTE]

     Not a problem now Lippa.  We're happy to have him.  He's been clutch for us too.  May be getting a little long in the tooth now and having some injury issues, but we wouldn't have won an SB without him (same goes for the pats).
     
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    [QUOTE]     Apparently, Greedy Gomer is starting to feel the heat in Indy. Colts' fans know that his outrageous contract demands threaten to destroy their team...and, over the past week, they, along with Colts'  owner Jim Irsay, have begun to publicly criticize the Hoosier hero.       Accordingly, Gomer is now singing a different tune,,,saying that he doesn't have to be the games' highest paid player: http://www.indystar.com/article/20110729/SPORTS03/110729013/Manning-Irsay-don-t-need-NFL-s-highest-paid-player
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    LOL - you might be the biggest imbecile on the board with this post, and I thought Rusty couldn't be outdone. 

    In one post, you call greedy, the person who has publicly stated (and you posted the link of all things) he doesn't need to be the highest paid player in the league.

    You've just demonstrated in the most obvious of all situations that you have ZERO capacity to be objective where the colts are concerned.  

    You are too much TP.  Too much.  LOL! 

    Quick question - do you have any evidence of Manning saying he needed to be the highest paid player in the league? I'd love your answer, but I don't expect it. Where I am concerned you've proven you don't like to answer my questions.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What a headache for Colts! : gr8 - if there wasn't any truth to the story, then why would Brady give a coveted interview to Silver after it?  If the story wasn't true, then why would Kraft continue to talk to Silver?  look, I'm ok if you want to bury your head in the sand, but connecting these dots is as easy as adding 2+2. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Please define "coveted" interview.  How does a "coveted" interview differ from a plain old interview by a football beat writer?  My head's not in the sand as you suggest, but your may very well be up your backside.  With respect to connecting dots, I'm not sure dot connecting is even germane to this issue, unless of course you "want" to see a conspiracy.  As I stated before, you obviously have your non-fact based opinion and I have mine.  And at the end of the day we'll surely see how the PM contract situation plays out.  And when read an article not beholden to PM, and if the article cites a "close source" to Manning that puts him in anything less than perfect in your fan-boy eyes, I'll bring this topic up again.  And I'll bet the farm that you'll be whining about the reliability and/or credibility of the author - thus exposing yet again the hyporocity of your thought process and in the end......you.
     
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    grt -

    Here you go. 

    http://www.csnne.com/08/12/10/Felger-Brady-exclusive-with-Michael-Silv/v1_landing_patriots.html?blockID=288608&feedID=3946

    This comes from one of your local reporters who knows the lay of the land. 


     
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    [QUOTE]grt - Here you go.  http://www.csnne.com/08/12/10/Felger-Brady-exclusive-with-Michael-Silv/v1_landing_patriots.html?blockID=288608&feedID=3946 This comes from one of your local reporters who knows the lay of the land. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Gee, one local reporter backing up the "word" of another reporter.  I'm shocked, shocked I tell you to see gambling going on in this casino.  But, I'll bend a bit for the sake of argument.  Let's say that you're absolutely correct - TB whined (even though he'd never done so before) about a contract situation to "leak" his displeasure on to an unsuspecting Pats fan base.  So what?  I've yet to see or hear, and you've not provided (because you cannot) anything DIRECTLY from TB with respect to any contract situation.  Felger states the report was "exclusive" and at the end of the day Felger is trying to earn a living.  Wow, that sure is proof despite no quotes from the only source that matters......Tom Brady.  Okay, if you see a purple sky in your world fine.  The Manning contract situation will be reported on vigorously and intensely - can't wait for the first "anti-Manning" article to hit the streets minus any quotes from, oh you know, Manning himself.  When that happens, people are going to come on here in droves, dogging (pun intended) your backside.  And true to form, you'll be on here backpeddling and calling reporter intentions in question - I can't wait.
     
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    The point is the this guy knows how hard it is to get an interview with Brady, and the one exclusive that Brady gives, he gives to the writer who started the whole issue.  Again - connect the dots.

    Look, I am willing to believe that Brady himself did not tell silver that he was upset with the lack of contract talks.  What I believe is that the Brady machine (including Brady himself and with his blessing), made a concerted decision to feed a story so that it would push the pats to engage in contract talks. 

    It worked. 

    As for Manning - you don't have to go far.  He's already said (himself on the record) that he doesn't need to be the highest player in the league. 
     
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    [QUOTE]The point is the this guy knows how hard it is to get an interview with Brady, and the one exclusive that Brady gives, he gives to the writer who started the whole issue.  Again - connect the dots. Look, I am willing to believe that Brady himself did not tell silver that he was upset with the lack of contract talks.  What I believe is that the Brady machine (including Brady himself and with his blessing), made a concerted decision to feed a story so that it would push the pats to engage in contract talks.  It worked.  As for Manning - you don't have to go far.  He's already said (himself on the record) that he doesn't need to be the highest player in the league. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Well, I guess you'll believe what you want to and I will what I want to.  As far as PM on the record, I really don't believe he feels the need to "break the bank," as he's too experienced to know they'll need money for supporting cast players - and it behooves him (he's made a ton of cash) to take "reasonable" over "the highest" so those funds can potentially improve his chances of playoff/SB success.  That said, you know the anti-Manning stories will be out there.  And when they hit, I hope you use the same thought process in assessing those as you did when assessing TB stories.  We shall see.
     
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    Grt - its fine if you don't want to believe it.  Like I said, bury your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. 

    But listen, I don't fault Brady for doing it (or having it done).  The guy has been nothing short of a spectacular QB for your team.  He's been the ultimate team player, and it was time for him to get paid. 

    Unlike Manning, he was put out for an entire season, his reasons for pushing to get a deal done prior to his final season were perfectly valid.  I am happy for Brady and Pats fans that he was able to get it done.  And, btw, after the article, Kraft also did the right thing by making sure he got it done.  His initial feeling appeared to be that with the CBA issue, he would have preferred to wait. 
     
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    I am with the Hyprocrite here.  Peyton, although offered about 23 million per season before the lockout, is holding out for less money.  Manning was franchised two times and I just know (this time) he just thinks it is too much money.  This is a brand new tactic so he will be paid less than Brady to have a good cap number to sign FA to improve his his team.  But hey, like the Hyprocrite, I am just using my opinion.
     
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