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What Brady really did in 42&46.

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    In response to Jets's comment:

    Those are 2 of my favorite pictures in Sports that and the one of Brady laying on the ground in the SB with the Giants defense celebrating around him on the cover of SI...that one is framed and on my office wall!




    Is it next to the SB 3 champions banner, and the other banner with the 3 division titles since the merger?

     
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    another thread to bash the patriots.....  when we win this year and the whole team plays great there will be some miserable people here. are all boston fans this negative?

     
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    Re: What Brady really did in 42&46.

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    SB 42 was the last playoff game, other than the Denver divisional win last year that Brady was the better QB. He was the worse of the 2 QBs in both last years AFC Champ and SB




    No way.  The receving core was worse, not the QB.  It took Eli two different receivers making ridiculously spectacular catches in the closing minutes of both SB games.  Utterly silly catches, especially Tyree's.

    Closing minutes of last year's SB, one could argue that Brady could've throw the ball better to Welker, but bottom line is, if Wes makes that catch, Brady's wearing another ring, not Eli.

    And that's to say nothing of the fact that Gronk was meaningless in that game.

     
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    Still amazes me how many Pats fans still blame the Brady to Welker pass as the sole reason for losing the SB last season.  Especially since week in and week out we see some of the best WR in the game dropping easier passes then that.  Sure, still shots make it look bad but when you watch the play at regular speed that was a very hard ball to catch.  Apparently you guys have never played the game.  And to think, without Welker the Pats wouldn't even had a shot at winning the SB, probably wouldn't have even made it there.


    Hell, I'm a freaking Brady fan and have no problem admitting that the throw was horrible.  Wake up to reality fools!

     
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    Re: What Brady really did in 42&46.

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    Still amazes me how many Pats fans still blame the Brady to Welker pass as the sole reason for losing the SB last season.  Especially since week in and week out we so some of the best WR in the game dropping easier passes then that.  Sure, still shots make it look bad but when you watch the play at regular speed that was a very hard ball to catch.  Apparently you guys have never played the game.  And to think, without Welker the Pats wouldn't even had a shot at winning the SB, probably wouldn't have even made it there.


    Hell, I'm a freaking Brady fan and have no problem admitting that the throw was horrible.  Wake up to reality fools!




    He dropped it. Live with that. You're not that much of a freaking Brady fan.

    But I wouldn't call that the worst thing that happened in the game. The 12 man penalty was unforgivably stupid and far worse. At least you can understand how Welker could have dropped that ball. It is impossible to understand how you do a 12 man penalty in the red zone during a SB.




    Yes, he dropped a badly thrown ball.  Live with that!  No excuses, bad thrown ball, bad drop, bad 12 man penalty, bad safety throwing out of the end zone, bad coaching, bad use of Gronk, bad hands by AH81 who to this day drops way too many, bad defense, we can go on and on but you are one of the few here who time and again blames Welker.  Like I said, I'm sure you never played the game and even more sure you never played receiver.

     
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    Re: What Brady really did in 42&46.

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    Still amazes me how many Pats fans still blame the Brady to Welker pass as the sole reason for losing the SB last season.  Especially since week in and week out we so some of the best WR in the game dropping easier passes then that.  Sure, still shots make it look bad but when you watch the play at regular speed that was a very hard ball to catch.  Apparently you guys have never played the game.  And to think, without Welker the Pats wouldn't even had a shot at winning the SB, probably wouldn't have even made it there.


    Hell, I'm a freaking Brady fan and have no problem admitting that the throw was horrible.  Wake up to reality fools!




    He dropped it. Live with that. You're not that much of a freaking Brady fan.

    But I wouldn't call that the worst thing that happened in the game. The 12 man penalty was unforgivably stupid and far worse. At least you can understand how Welker could have dropped that ball. It is impossible to understand how you do a 12 man penalty in the red zone during a SB.




    Yes, he dropped a badly thrown ball.  Live with that!  No excuses, bad thrown ball, bad drop, bad 12 man penalty, bad safety throwing out of the end zone, bad coaching, bad use of Gronk, bad hands by AH81 who to this day drops way too many, bad defense, we can go on and on but you are one of the few here who time and again blames Welker.  Like I said, I'm sure you never played the game and even more sure you never played receiver.




    I live quite comfortably with the fact Brady threw the ball badly enough to hit Wes smack dab on both hands and he dropped it.

    “I think he was a little worried about the safety, so he threw it wider or whatever,’’ Welker said. “But, I mean, it was right there. It hits me right in the hands. It’s one I’ll have to live with.’’ WW

    E'gad show the man some respect. It demeans him to have people groveling about the pass. He dropped it.




    What do you expect Welker to say?  He isn't going to throw TFB under the bus.  Welker is a freaking competitive beast, sure he thinks he can catch anything... even the bad ones.  All great competitors think they can do anything.  The fact of the matter was it was a badly thrown ball, no matter what the reason TFB threw it like that.  I have watched and rewatched that play more then I care too, the defensive player was too far away to make a play on where the ball should have been thrown. 

    It was a bad pass, could it have been caught?  Possibly!  But by no means is that a reason to blame the loss.  Heck, I bet that pass is caught only 20% of the time, it would have been an amazing catch yet you continue to bring it up as a reason for losing.  Get real dude, your arguments are bogus!

     
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    Re: What Brady really did in 42&46.

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    I've seen literally a thousand balls as tough as that caught. HS kids make that catch!

    SURE YOU HAVE!!  What a joke that comment is!

     

    Stop kidding yourself. Anybody who has been watching this game for more than 2 years should know he should have had that ball.

    That's your problem you only have watched the game.  I'm pretty sure you would have a different take had you played the position or even the game.




     
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    Re: What Brady really did in 42&46.

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    I've seen literally a thousand balls as tough as that caught. HS kids make that catch!

    SURE YOU HAVE!!  What a joke that comment is!

     

    Stop kidding yourself. Anybody who has been watching this game for more than 2 years should know he should have had that ball.

    That's your problem you only have watched the game.  I'm pretty sure you would have a different take had you played the position or even the game.






    Dude are you now Texas Pat. I played football and I was awful at it and I would have definately dropped it. Welker on the other hand is a great player and should have caught it. Even if he catches it the win was far from assured though. They needed to score points or get more first downs. I don't feel Wes lost the game. He just made it harder to win at that point, a lot harder and he knows it and thats why he blames himself. I still have confidence in the guy and it seems that at times he's the only one Brady has confidence in (especially when Gronk was hurt). Great players make mistakes, it's part of football. I wish Welker could have redeemed himself on the final drive but it didn't happen and unless he wins the super bowl that play will probably eat him up forever. Jackie Smith was a heck of a reciever also but he is primarily remembered for the drop in the super bowl, lets just hope Welker is remembered for his super bowl MVPs and nothing else.

     
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    Re: What Brady really did in 42&46.

    Compared to his regular seasons, Brady has not played as well in the post season...Comparatively

    Posting stats about QB rating does not tell the whole story. A lot of people thought this Pats team would blow the Giants out of the water, however, they only scored 17.

    However, it wasn't just Brady. Frickin' Randy Moss disappeared for the entire playoffs that year. Record breaking WR becomes a non factor other than that 1 TD in the Super Bowl.

    Offensive line was also a huge let down. Who offense was a let down and their failure to adjust is what cost them. If you told me before the game that we would have held the Giants to just 17 points, I would have guessed the score was 38-17.

    As for 46, Gronk loss was huge. However, that safety was huge. Not only did it give the Giants 2 points, it gave them an extra possession while costing us one. Considering the defense could not force a single 3 and out, that ended up being pretty big. Also happened in the beginning of the game, which set a bad tone.

    Brady played good enough to win both Super Bowls, but most of us don't expect good from Brady, we expect great. Might be unfair expectations, but that's what happens when you've accomplished what he's accomplished in the league

     
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    Re: What Brady really did in 42&46.

    In response to nyjoseph's comment:

    In response to shenanigan's comment:

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    SB 42 was the last playoff game, other than the Denver divisional win last year that Brady was the better QB. He was the worse of the 2 QBs in both last years AFC Champ and SB




    It's not telling the whole story truthfully.  2009 for example in the loss to BALT they had to adapt to life without WW in 1 week.

    So Flacco goes 4 for 10 with 34 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT.  It's a toss-up who was worse at QB, but the game was not lost at QB.  The Pats simply could not stop the run all day and could not force Flacco to throw.



    No Hernandez, No Gronk, No Spikes, McCourty, Hightower, Jones and no Welker in the playoffs.  How did that team even make it to the playoffs?  A rookie UDFA named Edelman was their top receiver.  

    The fact that Brady managed t carry that bunch to the playoffs is pretty amazing.



    The sentence I highlighted is why Brady is already the equal of Montana IMO.  People always say Montana won all 4 SBs he played in.  True.  But he also failed to make the SB with superior talent and never brought an obviously flawed team to the SB.



    Montana played against a loaded NFC stronger than Brady's AFC-much-jints and skins won 5 sb's in his era and there was the 85 bears too...also he was flawless 11td 0 int in his 4 wins

    brady all time great-not montana

     

     
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    Re: What Brady really did in 42&46.

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    The whole team let chance to win slip away, bit by bit in both games.  But if you look at points scored, offense was was more below its potential than defense.  In other words defense played more adequately than offense.   offense did not perform to expectation, while defense was typically "not great" as it had shown all year.

    This is why offense (O'Brien and mcd) should be blamed in both cases, even though defense lost it in the end with help from refs (and jints).



    give it up coolio

     
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