Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/16/2009 11:14 PM EST
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Really poor judgement by Brilliant Bill. The sad aspect is that Tom Brady exposed himself as an automaton. I mean really, come on, did Brady really just go along with that without at least questioning the logic of it all.
Posted by ThomasLynch
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/16/2009 11:17 PM EST
After 3 Super Bowl wins, I don't care if he flipped a coin and said go for it. No one, and I mean no one, in the last 30 years of Boston pro sports deserves a mulligan more than Belichick. It was only a regular season game. Colts know the Pats have their number - wait for the playoffs.
Re: Your thoughts on Bill Belichick's press conference
posted at 11/16/2009 11:30 PM EST
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I think it was the perfect explanation and he needs not explain himself any firther. He thought it was a good choice and had the play been challeneged it would have been called a 1st down so I think if anything he is taking teh high ground by not making excuses. he thought it would win him the game, he played to win not to lose and thats why we love him. It just didnt work.
Posted by MVPKilla2009
You are wrong numb nuts...the play would not have been changed if it were reviewed. The ref spotted the ball perfectly. I guess you are blind with those rose colored Patriot glasses.
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/16/2009 11:31 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation? : I seem to remember one particular game very similar to this one against Payton Manning Colts where it was 1st and goal from the 2 with time running out and the Patriot stop them 4 times in a row. According to you, 35 yards do not matter nevermind 2. How can I argue with that kind of nebulous and far reaching statement? You can declare it as much as you like, but you never know until you play it out.
Posted by scubber
I seem to remember this was a different game, different time, and Peyton and company was unstoppable in the 4th quarter. Even if you punt the ball you still would lose in the end. Your defense couldn't stop Peyton...period!!!
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/16/2009 11:46 PM EST
- wink1994
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His explanation was fine. Unfortunately, with all things related to Belichick...the media feasts on his every misfortune, simply because he refuses to lie prostrate before them.
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posted at 11/17/2009 1:37 AM EST
- rpeggio
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Here's my beef and it's not that they went for it on 4th and 2 at their own 29.
1) They should have been more disciplined with their usage of timeouts....gotta have at least 1 if not 2 timeouts for the final 2 mins of such a close game. Coulda thrown the red flag to correct that HORRENDOUS spot by the ref.
2) The ref made a horrible spot, probably about a full yard and half shorter than was correct. If you look at the catch from nearly every replay angle, you can clearly see Faulk caught the ball while his left and right feet were to the right of the 30 yard line, he is then hit and falls toward the 29 and 28 1/2 yard line, but just look at his feet when he pulls the ball to his chest and secures the catch. It was a horrible spot by the ref. You'd think on a big play like that, the refs would confer and at least ask the other side judge to confirm the juggling of the ball the ref thought he saw. They call that right or review it upstairs, they get the 1st down and Belichick is a genius. Which he still is either way. Bad spot, period. It stinks when you run the play, the receiver runs to the 31, catches the ball, is pushed back and they spot it at the 28 1/2. The play was executed and the ref blew it, period.
3) And this is a beef I have with all coaches, all of the time. Always think at least one play ahead. If you're at spot on the field or time in the game where you feel you may go for it if you're left with 4th and short...then when it's 3rd and 2, run the dang ball! And if you don't pickup all 2 yards, run it again on 4th and shorter! I hate throwing two passes for 3rd and 2....run twice, you may pick up all 2 yards on 3rd and 2, and if not, you run it again on 4th and short. Two incomplete passes get you zilch. Brady could have QB sneaked twice and easily got 2 yards....period. Think one play ahead coach, that's what you're paid for.
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 7:02 AM EST
- tojo
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A lot of comments seem to assume punting the ball means they win the game. Anyone remember the SB vs the Giants? It would have been nice if Teddy and Rodney and Co. could have stopped that drive.
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 8:22 AM EST
- George444
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He took a gamble, not wanting to give up the ball. In the heat of the game, coaches sometimes make an out of the box call. He lost, so he looks bad.
Belechiks problem is that he doesn't know how to appreciate the joy of it, win or lose. He is a miserable looking guy.
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posted at 11/17/2009 9:14 AM EST
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The 4th down call was not the issue on Sunday - if we'd made the play, Belichick would have been the hero - I love that he made that call. The real problem was that we lost a 17 point lead. If we find outselves in the same position again, I want the coach to make the tough call again - that's his job and he did it well.
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 9:25 AM EST
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I love all these idiot armchair coaches questioning the call......1) if we got the 2 yards and ran the clock out he would be dubbed a genious by the same dolts calling him out. 2) It was the right call, it was a play that had been working all night, just not that time. 3) The odds were with the Pats, but didn't work.
Bruschi needs to STFU.....disrespecting the Defense? Please!
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 9:32 AM EST
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He doesn't owe anyone an apology or an explanation. The play speaks for itself. He is paid to win and he made the decision accordingly, but this time it didn't work. Not the end of the world. Even his players can't quarrel with a play that they didn't execute quite right and a questionable call be the officials was made. The defense may be disappointed at his choice of offense over defense, but it faded badly in the last quarter and it was doubtful it could have contained Manning even over a longer field. Tedy Brucchi had it right when he said by Wed. it will be all forgotten. Belichick has been too successful in past decisions and wins to be vilified for having confidence in Brady and Faulk. They still lead the division by 2 games with 7 to go.
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 12:09 PM EST
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I agree with shaboom....Maroney's fumble is what really cost the Pats the game. I totally agree with Coach's call....if you punt and give the ball to one of the greatest clutch QBs of all time, with 2 minutes left...he is likely going to score anyway and had, in fact, just led the Colts on 2 long drives reulting in TDs in approx 2 minnutes or less.
Faullk doesn't juggle the ball, play works. Replay would not have over turned the call on the field, but it would have been nice to have the option.
Still....good call Coach!!!!!!!!!
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 12:23 PM EST
- m1020us
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I agree with shaboom....Maroney's fumble is what really cost the Pats the game. I totally agree with Coach's call....if you punt and give the ball to one of the greatest clutch QBs of all time, with 2 minutes left...he is likely going to score anyway and had, in fact, just led the Colts on 2 long drives reulting in TDs in approx 2 minnutes or less. Faullk doesn't juggle the ball, play works. Replay would not have over turned the call on the field, but it would have been nice to have the option. Still....good call Coach!!!!!!!!!
Posted by JPSkier
We have been burnt in that situation before....and Chuckie said last night when he was coaching TB he was in the same situation as Belichick, punted and Manning came back to win the game.....
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 2:06 PM EST
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I dont blame the coach but the front office. Come on! How can we be a championship team when we let great talent go year after year. Where is Asante Samuel and Ty Law? Where are all the great coaches now? Seems like the Krafts care more about money than talent and put all the responsibility on Belichick and thats just not fair. Look at Indy. They wouldnt let Reggie Wayne or Joseph Adai go or Freeny for that matter. They did NOT out coach us, they just have more TALENT. Take note Krafts! Model franchise my a@@.
Posted by stevet1966
Where are you idiots coming from?
Indy let Edge, Rhodes and Harrison go....
Law? He hasn't really done much since he left (with exception of the first season with the Jets)......
Samuel would not have helped against Indy....Bodden is about as good as Samuel...
Oh, what is A@@? LOL! Are you trying to spell "@$$"?
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 2:08 PM EST
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I dont blame the coach but the front office. Come on! How can we be a championship team when we let great talent go year after year. Where is Asante Samuel and Ty Law? Where are all the great coaches now? Seems like the Krafts care more about money than talent and put all the responsibility on Belichick and thats just not fair. Look at Indy. They wouldnt let Reggie Wayne or Joseph Adai go or Freeny for that matter. They did NOT out coach us, they just have more TALENT. Take note Krafts! Model franchise my a@@.
Posted by stevet1966
Steve sounds a lot like Leon!!!!! My Man
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 2:11 PM EST
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11 posts over 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised. You know the bug keeps a list of the hundreds of names he's used and he always posts as disgruntled fans after loses.
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 2:12 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation? : Where are you idiots coming from? Indy let Edge, Rhodes and Harrison go.... Law? He hasn't really done much since he left (with exception of the first season with the Jets)...... Samuel would not have helped against Indy....Bodden is about as good as Samuel... Oh, what is A@@? LOL! Are you trying to spell "@$$"?
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It's only Leon
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 2:24 PM EST
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I was thinking that as I was typing it...the bold over sized lettering does kind of give it away.
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 4:43 PM EST
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New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick discussed his controversial fourth-down call during Sunday's game against the Colts at a press conference today. He said he thought his decision gave his team the best chance of winning the game. What are your thoughts about his explanation?
Posted by BostonDotCom
I think you make your decision to win when it's third down and 2 yds to go. You have 2 cracks to make 2 yards. You don't throw the ball - you give it to Faulk and/or Brady QB senak - and you physically win the game. Forget 4th and 2 pschology - it's 2 downs to make 2 yards in front of a really good offensive line (left side especially). Ram it down their throat.
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 5:02 PM EST
The Fans are FICKLE, some say great call, others are ready to fire Bel., If the rest of the season goes sour, then the Fans will really get their dandra up, and Bel. will be raosted like he never has in his life and he will gregret the call, but then it's too late----the horse left the barn aefore the door was closed!!!!!!!!
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 5:20 PM EST
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([Chance of executing that 4th and 2] + [Chance of Stopping Indy from your own 29]) />= (Chance of Stopping Indy from Scoring TD from there 30)
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Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 5:35 PM EST
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OK, it's over and Bill makes the calls. You have to love his Guts to want to win it all. I am not a big fan of the COLTS but Bill did give them an early xmas gift. I believe the Refs made the worse call as far as placing the ball 7" from a first down. We were over the 30 yard line when the ball was caught and he was pushed backwards. But thats not the question, we had 15 minutes to score more points and our D fell asleep again. Our D needs to step-Up or our Team will be watching the play-off on TV again. I love Bill's Call... GO PATS
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 6:42 PM EST
I felt Bill did exactly what he thought would be the right decision to get a Patriot victory. If they made the play, he would be called a genius. Shaunessy always goes with the majority and doesn't have the bxxxx like Bill. Should we go after the greatest coach in Patriots history. Leave Bill alone, the Patriots are going to win the superbowl this year. I can vision the next time these 2 teams meet in Indy for the AFC championship game. We will demolish them only if Maroney can hold onto the ball in the endzone.
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 6:59 PM EST
Who cares about Belichick's explanation? Explanations do not win ball games, and they sure don't get a team to the Super Bowl.
Going for it on fourth and two with about 2 minutes to play when deep in your own territory with Peyton Manning quarterbacking your opponent... when you could punt the ball out of bounds way down field...
What actually happened Sunday night says it all. The "explanation" doesn't amount to squat.
Re: What did you think of Belichick's explanation?
posted at 11/17/2009 8:15 PM EST
One thing I have not seen in the discussion is the more cautious play calling in the fourth quarter. Therer was a shift over to running plays which appeared to me as if they were playing "Not to Lose". The Patriots put themselves into too many three and outs or third and long situations. Manning Never plays any way but aggreessive, come right after ya' football. The Pats seem to play Cautious once a lead is achieved.
Maybe its just me, but I saw that long before the need for fourth and two.
Also...Welker was open crossing the middle...if only.
I hope they take the angst and unload it on the Jets.
