What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative?

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : Sorry, but it's amazing to me that this country and the world fought the most extreme right wing movement (Nazism) in world history, to the right of an absolute monarchy ( you know, the reason why this country was founded?), and we now have Americans reaching for that end of the political spectrum. The Tea Party has no message other than to specifically design a society that is exclusionary alongside a narrow minded and delusional vision that would make Teddy Roosevelt and founding fathers roll in their graves. Anyway, carry on. No, I don't feel they should sabotage people's good time at an event like the SB.
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    Rusty, you do realize some of the protests (including Boston) had neo-nazi's in the protests too and actually endorsed the movement

    BTW the nazi party was considered a progressive party for the workers of Germany. One for the lower working class designed to promote class warfare by blaming their perceived richer form of class during an economic downturn
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : Rusty, you do realize some of the protests (including Boston) had neo-nazi's in the protests too and actually endorsed the movement
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    In all fairness, if it happened, it was by design (refer to, "Tactics of Tricky Dick vs. Viet-Nam war protesters") to subvert the movement.  

    More than likely, you are hearing, reading some made-up cr@p like the lies about rapes in the NYC camp, being spread by News Corp.

     
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    wow.  did i hit a nerve? :)  I meant the Occupy camps, but it's cool...

    Before we get sideways, I agree and sympathize with your experience.  Completely.

    In fact, before I got burned out of politics (because of the above issues you bring up) I tired to bring quality and performance management - my consulting specialty - into a few different campaigns and efforts.

    In fact, "I am very agreeable to their grievances, but thoroughly frustrated by their comically inept tactics, vain motives and frenetic nature."  could well have been the tag line I used in my pitches. 

    Anyways, good on ya for the efforts.  Apologies if I came across condescending.  I do think there's  an important place for annoying protesters.  And yeah, the ineffectiveness is like having to watch a car wreck...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : In all fairness, if it happened, it was by design (refer to, "Tactics of Tricky Dick vs. Viet-Nam war protesters") to subvert the movement.   More than likely, you are hearing, reading some made-up cr@p like the lies about rapes in the NYC camp, being spread by News Corp.
    Posted by chrisakawoody[/QUOTE]

    I walked by the Occupy movement in Boston every day. There were neo-nazi's there so.. yeah it happened. Considering the occupy movement is similar to how the nazi party gained power in Germany not much surprise that they would be involved and would support a similar movement
     
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    P.S. - Some ultra-libertarian Lyndon LaRouche nutjobs infiltrated that R.I. teachers union rally, pretending to be allied, but handing out fliers in stark contrast to the union, and I assure you they were politely tolerated at first, then soundly shouted down and chased away by the crowd.  Wasnot their first attempt. Surely some opposition infiltrations happen to the Tea Party rallies. 
     
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    [QUOTE]wow.  did i hit a nerve? :)  I meant the Occupy camps, but it's cool... Before we get sideways, I agree and sympathize with your experience.  Completely. In fact, before I got burned out of politics (because of the above issues you bring up) I tired to bring quality and performance management - my consulting specialty - into a few different campaigns and efforts. In fact, "I am very agreeable to their grievances, but thoroughly frustrated by their comically inept tactics, vain motives and frenetic nature."  could well have been the tag line I used in my pitches.  Anyways, good on ya for the efforts.  Apologies if I came across condescending.  I do think there's  an important place for annoying protesters.  And yeah, the ineffectiveness is like having to watch a car wreck...
    Posted by fatsam72[/QUOTE]

    Oh, I didn't take offense, and yes, the whole recall of my repeated, disheartening experiences struck a nerve.  I can tell you know exactly that of which I wrote.  Crazy lack of leadership...anti-leadership, really.
     
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    Hey, I think I'm on the same page with Chris and Rusty here! 

    I think the Occupy Movement has some good points . . . but I think it's counterproductive to disrupt the Super Bowl and I can't stand the way liberal protesters--who often in my opinion are on the right side of the issues--have to make their points of view look ridiculous to the mainstream by giving voice to every nutty fruitcake who wants to smoke dope and wear clown costumes.  There's an important message the left has, but sadly their tactics too often turn people off.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : Sorry, but it's amazing to me that this country and the world fought the most extreme right wing movement (Nazism) in world history, to the right of an absolute monarchy ( you know, the reason why this country was founded?), and we now have Americans reaching for that end of the political spectrum. The Tea Party has no message other than to specifically design a society that is exclusionary alongside a narrow minded and delusional vision that would make Teddy Roosevelt and founding fathers roll in their graves. Anyway, carry on. No, I don't feel they should sabotage people's good time at an event like the SB.
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    Are you seriously equating the Tea Party Movement with Nazism?

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : I walked by the Occupy movement in Boston every day. There were neo-nazi's there so.. yeah it happened. Considering the occupy movement is similar to how the nazi party gained power in Germany not much surprise that they would be involved and would support a similar movement
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    Not really. The occupy movement was more like a social gathering than anything else. To compare them to the nazis is absurd.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : A message? What's that?  "We need to move more to the right than the extreme right-owned Republican Party so we are one step away from Nazism"? I don't mean to turn this into an argument, but come on, dude.  The Tea Party didn't think the current religious right Republicans were right enough for them. That's fairly disturbing considering where Nazism falls on the political spectrum.
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    New moniker, same old BS
     
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    Must read book (avoid the basically unrelated and shamefully superficial movie version): The Gathering Storm, by Winston Churchill.  The parallels to the political tactics of the American Right today are scary, depressing and probably not by accident.

    The closest anti-venom to it that I can imagine, would be Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas. I think.  Read right afterward, to lighten the mood.

    Both worth a weekend of your life (not during football season, of course).
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : The Nazis gained power to due incredible use of propaganda and fear on the heels of the Versailles Treaty and its severe parameters, post World War I. The only comparable thing to your statement is, yes, today, many people are disenfranchised as the world goes through a transitionary period.  Happens all the time. We're just wise enough now to not let that kind of thing happen again.
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    You mean the nazi's didn't use the fear of the people against the perceived richer class (namely bankers and investors who were mostly Jewish at the time) in order to gain power during poor economic times?

    Or that the occupy protesters didn't use the fear of citizens against the richer class during poor economic times while holding signs that promoted that the government needs to be changed to protect the workers?

    Rusty on this one you are kind of wrong. During the rise of the nazi party a conservative party had control of the German government in which the people thought was being to easy on the upper class and looking down on the lower class. The Nazi party was perceived to be a progressive party do to the promise of equalizing the classes and "giving every worker a car" promises and it expressed radical changes within the government which it promised to reign in coperations and make them work for the people. Not the neo-nazi's of today but the actual original nazi party pre-WW2 would today be considered a far left party
     
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    Please, somebody vote for "petrulli oil" because spent precious time looking up the spelling of "petrulli".
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : Not really. The occupy movement was more like a social gathering than anything else. To compare them to the nazis is absurd.
    Posted by Roadrunner9234[/QUOTE]

    I agree but I wanted to point out to rusty that they more closely resemble the nazis of the past more then the tea party movement does today.
     
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    [QUOTE]Please, somebody vote for "petrulli oil" because spent precious time looking up the spelling of "petrulli".
    Posted by chrisakawoody[/QUOTE]

    lol.  Thanks Chris.  Though I've hated it for years, I've never known how to spell it until today.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : I agree but I wanted to point out to rusty that they more closely resemble the nazis of the past more then the tea party movement does today.
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    I don't think either movement can be compared to the third Reich. The tea party people are more like libertarians.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : You mean the nazi's didn't use the fear of the people against the perceived richer class (namely bankers and investors who were mostly Jewish at the time) in order to gain power during poor economic times? Or that the occupy protesters didn't use the fear of citizens against the richer class during poor economic times while holding signs that promoted that the government needs to be changed to protect the workers?
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    There are two things wrong with this characterization.  OWS isn't looking to overthrow the current government or put the richer class in camps so that they can be systematically exterminated.

    Second of all the Jews were not responsible for Germany's economic predicament.  The treaty of Versaille and getting owned in WWI saw to that.  It is pretty easy to make a case that Wall St. is at least partially responsible for the current economic troubles in this country.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : Considering they're both extreme right wing movements within a society, yes. Absolutely, when seeing where each lands on a political spectrum.  I am confused by your confusion.  
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    The Tea Party Movement does not show any of the traits of facism.

    Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics. (wiki)

    They want less social spending and have priorities based on social morality. That's about it. Likening them to Nazis is crazy. You're going overboard relying on the "spectrum" which is extremely imperfect. A Tea Partier today is a '60s Democrat,
     
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    Basically, Hitler pretended to be "socialist" in order to curry favor with vast numbers of people suffering through the great depression. He needed their support to gain power. It's a mistake to think he was left-wing in any real sense of the word.
     
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