Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative?
posted at 1/31/2012 4:33 PM EST
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In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : You mean the nazi's didn't use the fear of the people against the perceived richer class (namely bankers and investors who were mostly Jewish at the time) in order to gain power during poor economic times? Or that the occupy protesters didn't use the fear of citizens against the richer class during poor economic times while holding signs that promoted that the government needs to be changed to protect the workers? Rusty on this one you are kind of wrong. During the rise of the nazi party a conservative party had control of the German government in which the people thought was being to easy on the upper class and looking down on the lower class. The Nazi party was perceived to be a progressive party do to the promise of equalizing the classes and "giving every worker a car" promises and it expressed radical changes within the government which it promised to reign in coperations and make them work for the people. Not the neo-nazi's of today but the actual original nazi party pre-WW2 would today be considered a far left party
Posted by PatsEng
So many inaccuracies in your post that I would not know where best to begin.
Bismark's government was perceived as weak. They were not perceived as ultra-conservative. They were permissive.
The Nazis were perceived as strong, ultra-nationalistic, intolerant of any weakness, and ultra-conservative, with the average German thinking those were traits needed to restore order amongst chaos, pride amongst shame, leadership amongst leaderlessness.
Germany was at it's most liberal in its history following the war and during the Weimar Republic. A very vocal conservative minority blamed this social looseness, to some degree, for the fall of Germany and the loss of the war. They blamed Jews, gays, Gypsies, "theater types", Communists, and liberals for the loose morals.
There was a huge backlash against Weimar Republic (Bismark) for the Treaty of V., in which Germany was sold out by three Jewish bankers negotiating the treaty on Germany's behalf, thus creating an added backlash against Jews. Jews were also scape-goated for the war as profiteers {partially true, as (often Jewish) bankers pushed for war to finance war debt...BUT the industrialists also wanted war, as did the military - two factions mostly comprised of Christian or secular people, which the Nazis never blamed}. (Sorry to the Jewish members on this board, I am not anti-Semitic, but there is an ugly and inconvenient truth this stuff.)
The Nazis were marketing themselves as a solution to the people that hated the treaty, hated the disorder (Germans are feverishly addicted to order, even today), resented the Jewish bankers that got rich off of the war while people were starving in breadlines, and wanted Germany to rebuild as a world power (it had a history of having the best trained armies and the best artillery, and was on it's way to becoming the no. 1 naval power - part of the reason the British baited the Germans into WWI) -the German people got a taste of the power and wanted it back.
The main fault to your post is that you claim the Nazis were pro-worker. NO. They were pro-Big Business, but were selling it to the average simpleton factory worker as - wait for it - "If you support Big Business, Big Business will again thrive, and when Big Business thrives, you will be graced with (the crumbs of) the spoils enjoyed by Big Business." Sound familiar?
To re-cap,
1) The Nazi's capitalized on the German people's resentment of minority groups, that the Nazis vilified. (Substitute with illegal alien, gays and darker-skinned humans.)
2) Conservative Germans embraced the Nazis' promise to crack down on 20th century loose morals (ironic, since the Nazis strongly encouraged procreation absent marriage).
3) Nazis promised Germans that by propping up Big Business, the starving masses would benefit from a promised resulting economic up-tick.
4) Nazis garnered support for their claim to restore strong law-and-order. Average Germans mistunderstood the Nazi concept of law-and-order.
5) Nazis garnered support for their promise to purify Germany, removing Roma, the disabled, Jews, dark-complexioned peoples, liberals, pacifists, Communists, Socialists, etc.
6) The Nazis were decidedly pro-Big Business. They violently crushed workers' rallies and union organizers. Their leaders took graft from the next generation of Big Business profiteers (sound familiar, again?).
You would be served well to enroll in some college history courses. Even those in communities colleges do a fine job. Stop listening to talk radio nutjobs that take money under the desk from interested elites like the Koch family, Richard Mellon Scaiffe, Rev. Moon, etc. Those guys wil steer ypu wrong and light their stogies with your dreams for a better life.
