What does Brady have to gain?

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    What does Brady have to gain?

    What does Brady have to gain being one of the players named in the law suit? Vrabel I can understand, he always a hard core union guy. Mankins cause he's bitter. Possibly one of the reasons he was "thrown in" with the Matt Cassel trade.
    But Brady just got a nice contract. He never took a home town discount, his contract was spread out to make it cap friendly. Does he want to be viewed the same as Mankins? What's he going to gain? Bob Kraft may not look at him the same. I don't believe the fans will. Set aside the hair and the vacations and all that BS. Why would Brady possibly tarnish his legacy in NE with the fans?
     
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    I don't see Brady's reputation as tarnished at all.  He's always been a guy to stand up for his teammates.  That's all he's doing now. 


    (Plus if he's locked out, he's not getting paid either.)
     
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    What about the fans? Shouldnt Brady be looking out for the fans being we paid him his handsome salary? the longer this goes on and the more media exposure he gets IMHO the worse it will look for him.
     
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    The owners are the D*cks here. It's like working for Bill Gates, you come into work one day to find that Bill won't offer you guys health care because he only made 50 billion last year and two seasons ago he made 51 billion. Now he wants to cut his recoup his losses and he's going after you. 

    I'm pretty sure you'd be angry too. 
     
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    [QUOTE]What about the fans? Shouldnt Brady be looking out for the fans being we paid him his handsome salary? the longer this goes on and the more media exposure he gets IMHO the worse it will look for him.
    Posted by Philskiw1[/QUOTE]


    It might be nice, but it's just not how the world works.  
     
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    The owners are all billionaires already. They opted out of the CBA. They want an extra billion off the top. They want 18 games in a very injury intensive business. They insist on blackouts for fans when not sold out. They will not provide open financials.
    A union is formed for the betterment of it's members. The high profile players should show solidarity with the others, not an "I got mine you're on your own" attitude. Brady, Manning, Brees and the others are showing that they care about all of the players past and present. The average fan should admire loyalty to your team mates, as well as a breath air of unselfishness.
    He has nothing to gain except respect.
    Dave in Tampa
     
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    Hey, Brady is supporting his own...  you wouldn't want the same from a co-worker yourself?  What the whole gains means a gain for himself.  Don't hold that against him.
     
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    Its got nothing to do with Brady, Manning or Brees, imo.  Using these guys serves a couple of purposes. 

    1)As 3 players who need the union the least, they are showing the public that regardless or their own strong position, they are standing with their fellow players.

    2) it was written that in the last union dispute the owners were able to get to the biggest QB's which helped break the union.  The biggest QB's name on this lawsuit serves notice to the owners that the union members are all standing together.    "In 1987, for instance, the NFL was able to split the union in large part by creating what was known as the Quarterback Club, a marketing arm that led several top quarterbacks to stop supporting the union."
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-richardsonmanning021311
     
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    The owners arent to blame.  Basically what is happening the players are saying hey owners we want to take a look at your books to see what you guys are making to determine if were getting a fair shake at this with what we make and the owners are telling them to get back.  Its like walkinmg into your work and telling your boss hey your gonna show me how much you made last yearso I can determine if you need to pay me more.  Every boss in america would laugh in your face and fire you on the spot.  The reason the players can get away with it is players like Brady, Manning and Brees are marquee players.  If they strike then no one will watch football without its stars.  The players are being whinny little girls.
     
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    [QUOTE]The owners arent to blame.  Basically what is happening the players are saying hey owners we want to take a look at your books to see what you guys are making to determine if were getting a fair shake at this with what we make and the owners are telling them to get back.  Its like walkinmg into your work and telling your boss hey your gonna show me how much you made last yearso I can determine if you need to pay me more.  Every boss in america would laugh in your face and fire you on the spot.  The reason the players can get away with it is players like Brady, Manning and Brees are marquee players.  If they strike then no one will watch football without its stars.  The players are being whinny little girls.
    Posted by prob2236[/QUOTE]


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    All the players are in the same boat, but they picked Brady, Mike Vrabel and Logan Mankins because they're winners and natural leaders.  The other six are so that the rest of the league doesn't feel neglected.
     
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    [QUOTE]The owners arent to blame.  Basically what is happening the players are saying hey owners we want to take a look at your books to see what you guys are making to determine if were getting a fair shake at this with what we make and the owners are telling them to get back.  Its like walkinmg into your work and telling your boss hey your gonna show me how much you made last yearso I can determine if you need to pay me more.  Every boss in america would laugh in your face and fire you on the spot.  The reason the players can get away with it is players like Brady, Manning and Brees are marquee players.  If they strike then no one will watch football without its stars.  The players are being whinny little girls.
    Posted by prob2236[/QUOTE]

    Whole lota knowledge up in this post...kr!st.
     
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    [QUOTE]The owners are the D*cks here. It's like working for Bill Gates, you come into work one day to find that Bill won't offer you guys health care because he only made 50 billion last year and two seasons ago he made 51 billion. Now he wants to cut his recoup his losses and he's going after you.  I'm pretty sure you'd be angry too. 
    Posted by 49Patriots[/QUOTE]


    Terrible correlation.  Microsoft employees are paid very well in that industry and there is competition in that industry.

    The players have no sense of reality.  

    Worst economic diaster since 1929 and they think it's a good idea to think about themselves more so than the health and ability to grow the league.

    I'd love to ask Drew Brees or Brady how they'll manage to show their face at the next soup kitchen they volunteer at.

    Disgusting.
     
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    We the fans are the ones that are taking this on the chin. Th owners franchise is worth nothing and the players make nothing if we the fans don't go to the games. No owner or player gives a damn about the fan. They just want to know how many millions they are going to get. Bill Gates workers are very happy! Gates puts out a product that people like and makes a fair profit on it. The football people either put out a good product or we won't watch and pay for them!

    These people were selfish in 87 and this shutdown will cost all of the NFL dearly!
     
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    [QUOTE]The owners are the D*cks here. It's like working for Bill Gates, you come into work one day to find that Bill won't offer you guys health care because he only made 50 billion last year and two seasons ago he made 51 billion. Now he wants to cut his recoup his losses and he's going after you.  I'm pretty sure you'd be angry too. 
    Posted by 49Patriots[/QUOTE]
     I'm a union guy but I wouldn't use Bill Gates to bang on. He and his wife Melinda have pledged most of their fortune to be used to raise edcucation standards and to wipe out disease across the globe.
     
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    Yeah Gates isn't the example I'd use.  While you can criticize some of the tactics Microsoft employed as monopolistic, overall Gates has done more good than bad for his employees and, now, with his charitable donations, for society. 


     
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    [QUOTE]... Gates has done more good than bad for his employees and, now, with his charitable donations, for society
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]

    Sort of off topic and just picking nits here, but Gates' wealth comes at a cost to each and everyone who purchases his products. That means that his products are so over-priced that his profit is beyond even his giving it away.

    I certainly applaud successful capitalism, but when is enough, enough? If Microsoft would discount every product, then every buyer would have more money, and be able to be charitable (or not) in ways that satisfy each of us individually.

    (I only use Bill Gates to further the example; I feel the same about every financial tyrant - Rockefeller gave away dimes in front of cameras to affect his reputation. Why not just lower the price of the product?)

    Who made Gates our donation decider in chief?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What does Brady have to gain? : Sort of off topic and just picking nits here, but Gates' wealth comes at a cost to each and everyone who purchases his products. That means that his products are so over-priced that his profit is beyond even his giving it away. I certainly applaud successful capitalism, but when is enough, enough? If Microsoft would discount every product, then every buyer would have more money, and be able to be charitable (or not) in ways that satisfy each of us individually. (I only use Bill Gates to further the example; I feel the same about every financial tyrant - Rockefeller gave away dimes in front of cameras to affect his reputation. Why not just lower the price of the product?) Who made Gates our donation decider in chief?
    Posted by jerice50[/QUOTE]

    I don't completely disagree with this either. Microsoft's success came in part at the expense not just of consumers but of many would-be competitors too--and Gates sometimes used aggressive tactics to make his company dominate the market.  Still, Gates generally treated his employees well and has used his vast fortune to better ends than many other wealthy people use theirs.  Overall, whatever Gate's faults are, I think we'd be better off if more rich people were like Bill Gates than Jeff Skilling or even Jack Welch.


     
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    Hes not just doing it for himself. Hes doing it for his teammates who don't have such a huge voice. Him, Manning, Brees are standing up for their teammates and they don't feel its a fair deal.

    Hopefully we don't see anyone in court and it all gets fixed. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What does Brady have to gain? : Spoken like a true Obama clone.  Gates came up with a one in a billion idea. and has successfully marketed it.  Nobody is forced to buy his product.  There is competition.  Consumers have decided they like his product, therefore, he is entitled to earn whatever he can, and do with it whatever he pleases.  This is capitalism, and it spreads prosperity (albeit unequally). Now consider public service unions.  They demand the fruit of other people's efforts, conspiring with a corrupt Democratic party that agrees to give them an excessive share of taxpayer's money, provided the union keeps that party in power.  Further, they do not always provide a service those paying the bill actually want, but instead do everything in their power to prevent competition (blocking school choice for example).  This is socialism that is destined to spread misery equally.   
    Posted by Encinitas[/QUOTE]

    As I said before, I don't have any problem with Gates, but I don't see why all the vitriol against teachers, police, and firefighters. Next time your house is on fire, you gonna tell the firefighters to get lost because they're socialists?  You want to live in a city without a police force?  You think it's a good idea if we close all the schools? Talk about spreading misery equally . . .  




     
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    Brady's name being involved in this law suit if this goes on for a long time tarnishes his product, being himself. IMHO. If there's no football next year the names that will be remembered will be Brady, Mankins, Vrable, Manning, Brees etc. not all fans come to the forums and read, argue, personal attack and discuss this stuff. All they'll see is these guys are responsible for not having football. Most fans probably don't like their owners already. do you ever hear anything nice about Mike Brown? Al Davis? They have taken the hit already. If I was Brady's agent I'd told him lay low and let someone else slide up to the guillotine.
     
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    90% of NFL players couldn't get a job doing anything else.  So let's see how they make out when the NFL season is cancelled. 

    Personally, I can't wait for them to start declaring themselves bankrupt.  They will have to sell the mercedes, the boat, the mansion, etc

    The players union is a complete joke - and the players are puppets for the AGENTS - greedy lawyers using them like little tools.

    But if they want a REAL union - let's start by having ALL Quarterbacks get PAID the exact same salary based on years of service and not performance.

    Let's see how Brady, Manning, and Brees like that.


     
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    90% of NFL players couldn't get a job doing anything else.  So let's see how they make out when the NFL season is cancelled. 

    Personally, I can't wait for them to start declaring themselves bankrupt.  They will have to sell the mercedes, the boat, the mansion, etc

    The players union is a complete joke - and the players are puppets for the AGENTS - greedy lawyers using them like little tools.

    But if they want a REAL union - let's start by having ALL Quarterbacks get PAID the exact same salary based on years of service and not performance.

    Let's see how Brady, Manning, and Brees like that.

    +1 Thats the union way. Not what you know or do, what you are.
     

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