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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 3:09 AM EDT

    I thought it was a TD.  But just like the "tuck rule" I was caught by surprise.  If you didn't know the rule before, you know it now.  Just like the players.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 3:15 AM EDT

    i feel like the tuck rule is a flawed one, but i seriously dont see how this rule is.  it looks to me like he lost control of it when is hand hit the ground. its a catch, and how the player didnt hang on the that potentially game winning catch for all hes worth
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 3:31 AM EDT

    It's funny how so many people can look at something and see something totally different.  What I saw was a player making a great catch and as he was getting up off of the ground, which I would think he has a right to do, he was using the hand with the ball in it to balance himself and the ball came out.  Not hardly the same as losing control of the ball in the process of making a catch.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 3:34 AM EDT

    Its tough but I understand why it wasnt. He catches the ball brings it all the way down and then it rubs up against the ground and then it just comes out of his hands. Thats not a touchdown by the books but then you have the superbowl call and its alot like this and they called that a TD but this not?

    The refs need to figure out whats right in their book and stick to it.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 3:44 AM EDT

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    Its tough but I understand why it wasnt. He catches the ball brings it all the way down and then it rubs up against the ground and then it just comes out of his hands. Thats not a touchdown by the books but then you have the superbowl call and its alot like this and they called that a TD but this not? The refs need to figure out whats right in their book and stick to it.
    Posted by Pancakespwn


    i will give you that.  i cant believe that play ended up counting for 2
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 4:37 AM EDT

    Maybe you define a catch like pornography -You know it when you see it.  And the Calvin Johnson play was definitely pornography.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 7:33 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?:
    i feel like the tuck rule is a flawed one, but i seriously dont see how this rule is.  it looks to me like he lost control of it when is hand hit the ground. its a catch, and how the player didnt hang on the that potentially game winning catch for all hes worth
    Posted by flutie66

    To me the flaw comes when comparing this to a run.  If the ball had been run acrossed the goal line, the player took 2 steps, fell and hit his hip and then put the ball on the ground this would be a touchdown.  I guess the ground can't cause a fumble but it can cause an incomplete pass even after control is established.

    The NFL has many inconsistent rules particularly around the end zone.  I hate the breaking the plane rule...I think the ball should have to be established in the end zone for the touchdown.  This would have nullified Welker's 2nd touchdown last week but it would make for better goal line stands.  To be consistent breaking the plane should apply for the sidelines and that would be horrible,

     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 7:51 AM EDT

    I see why they want to make the rules so black and white that there is no grey area (and that's what this and the tuck rule was, attempts to remove any grey area) but he had control of the ball when both feet, his elbow, knees, butt, and the rest of his body hit the ground. He only lost control when he got up to celebrate, which means he lost it in the process of making a second nfl move according to the rule. I say the play should have ended when his momentum to the ground stopped and he started to get up starting another form of motion.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 8:10 AM EDT

    The officials made the right call.  but that rule has to change.  Why does a running back on a goal land stand only have to have the nose of the ball cross the line(and then can be dropped) but a wide reciever must do gravity defying moves.  Makes no sense. 
    Right call...but in the future that should be a TD
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 8:30 AM EDT

    I thought he finished the play.  Then he put the ball on the ground.  Many seem to think it was the correct call of a moronic rule, but I don't even see how it's a correct call.  If clearly maintaining possession while getting two feet, a knee, an elbow, and whatever the heck else he got down is not "finishishing the play"...I don't know what is.  Bad call - Detroit won that game.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 8:41 AM EDT

    It was the right call and I agree with the rule.  A receiver has to demonstrate control of the ball after he hits the ground.  Calvin Johnson did not.  Whether he let the ball go intentionally or not, doesn't matter.  The play in the Superbowl with the New Orleans was different.  The receiver had demonstrated control of the ball while on the ground and reached out across the goal line when it was then knocked from his hands by a defender.  A running back already has control of the ball and only needs to break the plane of the goal line.  At least I think this is the difference.

    I agree though that there are too many confusing rules in the NFL and often even players, coaches, and refs are unsure what the rules are, nevermind the fans.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 9:04 AM EDT

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    What I dont get, is that Periera, the head of officiating kept stressing that you have to show the ref the ball, and that you have possesion all the way to the ground, and to me he did all that, he had the ball gripped in one hand like a loaf a bread, how is that not possesion, the minute his b utt hit the ground, that should have been a catch, but you are supposed to take the ball back to the huddle I guess....He dropped it on the way back up, not on the way down, so to me thats a stupid rule, and if they continue to emphasize this rule in this manner, I will lose a lot of love for this game, lets hope it doesnt come up that often... I felt bad for the Lions...they deserved to win that game
    Posted by patsfan76



    Maybe you can think of it as coming to a complete stop before you let go of the ball to demonstrate possession of it.  Johnson had it on the way down but was still sort of tumbling.  If he holds the ball a half second longer, then it's a TD.  He was too quick to celebrate and I don't have sympathy for him.  Lesson learned.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 9:30 AM EDT

    It was a catch-- and the Lions GOT HOSED out of a victory. Plain and simple!!!
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 9:36 AM EDT

    as far as i'm concerned the play should have been whistled dead once both his feet, his elbow, his knee, and hip hip were on the turf. i'm sure calvin thought so too which is why it almost looks like he partially let go intentionally.

    the way the rule is written it is unfortunatly not a TD (even though it should be IMO)

    my big problem with it is that nothing will change because it was the lions.  polian is a sandbagger, and if it were reggie wayne his opinion of it being the "right call" would be different.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 10:16 AM EDT


     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 10:17 AM EDT

    Fowler I think a bit of that is correct but I dont think the whistle should have been blown. Its the same thing when your not in the end zone and trying to make the catch. You gotta catch the ball bring it down and just have it going all over the place. Thats how it is in the end zone as well. You have got to control it and with some of the money these guys are earning I mean its not were asking the world of them. 
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 10:20 AM EDT

    The guy is an idiot for dropping the ball.  No TD.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 10:23 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?:
    The guy is an idiot for dropping the ball.  No TD.
    Posted by themightypatriotz



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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 11:20 AM EDT

    I have to wonder if this play was at the ten yard line, would it be ruled a catch?
    Two feet down, elbow, hip, was not bobbling the ball and the ground cannot cause a fumble. Clearly a catch. Why should it be any different in the end zone? Very confusing rule that needs to change.
    My opinion: Detroit was robbed of a victory.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 11:29 AM EDT

    Right call based on the current rule, after saying that, the rule needs to be changed.  I felt that it should have been a TD...he had full control all the way through and he was already down when he lost the ball.....he had lost the ball in the process of getting up.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 11:50 AM EDT

    My question with this play is this:

    If he's not down when both his feet and his backside hit the turf, then when is he down? If you're going to require the guy to actually get back up with the ball in his hand before the "process" of being tackled is over, then why stop there? Why not require him to control the ball all the way to the bench . . .

    or take it home with him . . .

    keep it under his pillow . . .

    bring it back to practice with him?

    You could argue that Johnson saw the official directly in front of him signal "touchdown" and let go of the ball at that point. If that's the case, it shouldn't matter what the rule says, as the player's actions are then contingent upon the official's actions. This whole business of a "process" is just another semantic smokescreen. It's true that receivers should be less cavalier with the ball and that Johnson has no one to blame but himself for blowing an opportunity to win that game, but there is far too much greay area for officials here. When the guy right on top of the play is being overruled by somebody running in from thirty yards away, it's time to look at the rule.
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 12:33 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?:
    My question with this play is this: If he's not down when both his feet and his backside hit the turf, then when is he down? If you're going to require the guy to actually get back up with the ball in his hand before the "process" of being tackled is over, then why stop there? Why not require him to control the ball all the way to the bench . . . or take it home with him . . . keep it under his pillow . . . bring it back to practice with him? You could argue that Johnson saw the official directly in front of him signal "touchdown" and let go of the ball at that point. If that's the case, it shouldn't matter what the rule says, as the player's actions are then contingent upon the official's actions. This whole business of a "process" is just another semantic smokescreen. It's true that receivers should be less cavalier with the ball and that Johnson has no one to blame but himself for blowing an opportunity to win that game, but there is far too much greay area for officials here. When the guy right on top of the play is being overruled by somebody running in from thirty yards away, it's time to look at the rule.
    Posted by p-mike


    You forgot ...have the ball signed by the commissioner...
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 12:42 PM EDT

    I think the refs should be tested for drugs.........

    Most of the time they see what they want to see, and call what they want to call.......but hey it is what it is.....
     

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    Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?

    posted at 9/17/2010 12:56 PM EDT

    Clearly a catch , as he had control when he came down. But hey this was Detroit . If it was Dallas there would have been no argument.  Touch Down Dallas!