Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 3:23 PM EDT
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Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?:
In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play? : I don't even know how many times this was replay reviewed last year, but it came up frequently. They did not review it in the off-season - or it was on a list and they decided to ignore it.
Posted by EnochRoot
I was thinking this particular play would draw it to their attention.
Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 3:27 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play? : The rule is written to take away interpretation. Don't come up with the ball then you didn't have possession. It isn't vague. It has been reviewed many times over the last few seasons.
Posted by EnochRoot
It seems to me that the "process of going to the ground" certainly is vague.
When is it over?
I've been asking this question for a week and can't seem to get an answer from anyone who is defending this rule.
If he's not down when he hits the ground, when is he down?
Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 3:29 PM EDT
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Apparently he isn't down until he gets up. Obviously
Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 3:34 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play? : It seems to me that the "process of going to the ground" certainly is vague. When is it over? I've been asking this question for a week and can't seem to get an answer from anyone who is defending this rule. If he's not down when he hits the ground, when is he down?
Posted by p-mike
They apparently feel like they have to MicroManage the refs on these calls. It's not a huge deal to me but it seems to defy common sense.
Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 3:48 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play? : It seems to me that the "process of going to the ground" certainly is vague. When is it over? I've been asking this question for a week and can't seem to get an answer from anyone who is defending this rule. If he's not down when he hits the ground, when is he down?
Posted by p-mike
I have given my answer, but obviously the league lawyers disagree.
Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 3:52 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play? : I was thinking this particular play would draw it to their attention.
Posted by ewhite1065
The big one last year was the Raiders play, I think. It was also early in the season and it went against a team that had no shot at the playoffs. I get the impression that unless it happens to the Colts in the second half of the season (It won't because if it isn't a catch, it will be pass interference.), it won't be brought up again.
Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 3:54 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play? : The big one last year was the Raiders play, I think. It was also early in the season and it went against a team that had no shot at the playoffs. I get the impression that unless it happens to the Colts in the second half of the season (It won't because if it isn't a catch, it will be pass interference.), it won't be brought up again.
Posted by EnochRoot
You Know..I said the same thing earlier on . If it happens to the Colts All Manning has to do is give them the Look. Polian will do the rest.
Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 3:57 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play? : The big one last year was the Raiders play, I think. It was also early in the season and it went against a team that had no shot at the playoffs. I get the impression that unless it happens to the Colts in the second half of the season (It won't because if it isn't a catch, it will be pass interference.), it won't be brought up again.
Posted by EnochRoot
You know what's funny about this, Root?
This would appear to be uniquely Patriot-friendly take, as the Colts have been the Pats de-facto rival for many years, but the notion that the league only takes action in deference to the Colts has actually been brought up on several national threads -- not to meniton the KFAN board here in Minneapolis -- in discussions of this particular play.
Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 4:10 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play? : It seems to me that the "process of going to the ground" certainly is vague. When is it over? I've been asking this question for a week and can't seem to get an answer from anyone who is defending this rule. If he's not down when he hits the ground, when is he down?
Posted by p-mike
I honestly don't see why this is an issue or why "process of going to the ground" seems vague to you. Would it make more sense if they said "falling"?
You seem to want to confuse "being down" with "establishing possession".
Establishing possession simply carries through the play. This includes the receiver keeping hold of the ball once he hits the ground if he has not previously established possession (E.G. catch and run). If the ball hits the ground while in his grasp and he doesn't keep control of it, then he doesn't establish possession.
Would you say this was a reception if occurred the exact same way except instead of getting up, he fell on his back, bobbled the ball and it fell out?
Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 4:11 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play? : They apparently feel like they have to MicroManage the refs on these calls. It's not a huge deal to me but it seems to defy common sense.
Posted by ewhite1065
I can see that, but look at what happens when they give the refs latitude in interpreting the rules. Everyone starts to say they need to take it away. Go figure.
Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 4:36 PM EDT
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He caught the ball, He landed and still had it. He turns to get up and the ball comes out. By rule it's incomplete but the rule Sukkkks. I'll be interested to see if the NFL Revisits this rule in the offseason.
Posted by ewhite1065
Are you serious? He didn't land until he stopped falling - which was when the ball came out.
Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?
posted at 9/19/2010 4:43 PM EDT
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Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play?:
In Response to Re: What does everyone think of the Calvin Johnson play? : It seems to me that the "process of going to the ground" certainly is vague. When is it over? I've been asking this question for a week and can't seem to get an answer from anyone who is defending this rule. If he's not down when he hits the ground, when is he down?
Posted by p-mike
It's pretty simple. You just look at when the player has stopped falling. Johnson was still falling.
