What Draft Grade do you give the Pats?

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    I know it's early, but I'm going to give them a B+.  I'll weight their first day grade (A) over their second (C), to give them a B+.  If they can come up with a 4-3 DT/3-4 End like Billy Winn I'll give them an A-.  Wouldn't be dissapointed with a RB or WR, but I feel like the good ones are all off the board at this time.
     
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    A

    this d will be good. that's what matters.
     
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    I think the Pats adressed their major defensive needs with their Free Agency and this draft. Like everyone else, I was surprised by the Wilson pick. The fact remains that we won't know for sure how this draft rates until next year at the earliest (if it's bad).  If it is a good draft we may see some contributions this year. Hightower, in particular, has the potential to play all four downs and at a variety of positions.

    One word: VERSATILITY, All these players have LOTS of versatility. With versatility comes depth and the opportunity for these guys to play and contribute. Another benefit of versatility is the ability to disguise defensive pressures and coverages.  All good stuff.

    The players BB drafted are all smart intuitive football players. If coached properly they could develop and add some flexibility to the Pats system. Think about this- the Pats D could wreak havoc stopping the run which forces other teams to throw more. The quick and relentless pass-rush creates lots of opportunities in the defensive backfield. When opposing offenses don't know what our players are going to, it may very well force them to make mistakes.
     
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    I think the Pats adressed their major defensive needs with their Free Agency and this draft. Like everyone else, I was surprised by the Wilson pick. The fact remains that we won't know for sure how this draft rates until next year at the earliest (if it's bad).  If it is a good draft we may see some contributions this year. Hightower, in particular, has the potential to play all four downs and at a variety of positions. One word: VERSATILITY, All these players have LOTS of versatility. With versatility comes depth and the opportunity for these guys to play and contribute. Another benefit of versatility is the ability to disguise defensive pressures and coverages.  All good stuff. The players BB drafted are all smart intuitive football players. If coached properly they could develop and add some flexibility to the Pats system. Think about this- the Pats D could wreak havoc stopping the run which forces other teams to throw more. The quick and relentless pass-rush creates lots of opportunities in the defensive backfield. When opposing offenses don't know what our players are going to, it may very well force them to make mistakes.
    Posted by Quahogger

    Good post . . . I think you're right, the emphasis is on versatility, intelligence, and leadership.  That translates into better ability to mix things up on defense and play the kind of complex, continually changing schemes Bill Belichick likes (and opposing QBs hate).

     
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    Should wait on passing judgement for Tavor Wilson until you see whether he will play like " The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain."

     
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    I find it comical to be reading draft grades of F from fans in their recliners with chips on their shirt! This draft gets at least a B plus for the simple reason that we drafted defense. The stellar first round FAR OUTWEIGHS anything that happened yesterday. Yes it does seem that we could have drafted the safety later or traded pick 48 to get more in return. Draft grades are really meaningless until 3 years down the line. Many had Ryan Leaf ranked an A plus after the pick. What will be important in this draft is the first round. If those guys don't pan out this will go down as a poor draft. Right now I'm stoked because we drafted ALL defense!!!!
    Posted by jam757
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    Draft grades are pointless and stupid THIS EARLY. Have these guys played a down for the Pats yet? Come back and grade this draft 3 years from now.


    For all you know, Wilson turns into a stud Safety for us, or he can bust and be cut in training camp. A+ or F? Can't tell this early, that is for sure.

     
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    I like the idea that BB knew exactly where he wanted to go.  Starting with a draft list already ravaged because he already bought a few experienced players, he went up to grab a huge elephant, up to grab a better linebacker, stand pat to get a guy from Mars, down, get a white elephant for the other side of the line, down some more.  He trades like Octomom has babies.  I don't exactly know what all he did, but it looked far better choreographed than any other war room's efforts and BB has had great success in the recent past (Gronk, Hernandez come to mind).   It has the look and feel of a victory.

    This year, he doesn't have one of his original draft picks left -- every last one of them was traded off.  Good thing too, because Baltimore drafts before the Patriots, and so do the Packers and many other good drafting teams.  That was smart.
     
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    Kind of surprised at some of the Draft Reaction.

    Come on folks.  As we came to the end of last season, most of us were really sick of hearing most of the Talking Heads on ESPN shiiiiiiiiiiting all over the Patriots.  If it wasn't Tebow, it was The Ravens or Steelers or San Francisco or The Saints that were the cream of the crop.   

    The Patriots and the Giants were imposters as judged by most of these same talking heads that are speaking about the Draft right now.  Quite frankly, I could give a rats a----ssssssssss, about what Mel Kiper or what any of the heads on ESPN and their Rating Charts say and think.  

    However, I do care what BB thinks because that's what is important.  And as far as judging talent goes, I'll trust BB over anybody on ESPN, or anyone on BDC including myself.   

    JMNSHO
     
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    I think the Pats adressed their major defensive needs with their Free Agency and this draft. Like everyone else, I was surprised by the Wilson pick. The fact remains that we won't know for sure how this draft rates until next year at the earliest (if it's bad).  If it is a good draft we may see some contributions this year. Hightower, in particular, has the potential to play all four downs and at a variety of positions. One word: VERSATILITY, All these players have LOTS of versatility. With versatility comes depth and the opportunity for these guys to play and contribute. Another benefit of versatility is the ability to disguise defensive pressures and coverages.  All good stuff. The players BB drafted are all smart intuitive football players. If coached properly they could develop and add some flexibility to the Pats system. Think about this- the Pats D could wreak havoc stopping the run which forces other teams to throw more. The quick and relentless pass-rush creates lots of opportunities in the defensive backfield. When opposing offenses don't know what our players are going to, it may very well force them to make mistakes.
    Posted by Quahogger


         What's done is done. It's time to hope for the best.
     
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    cyberknot...that is funny stuff...well played.

    As for the draft...I'm going to give them a B+, upped to a A-...here's my thought process.

    They needed some competent LB play and depth...and they got it in spades.  They needed a DE who would really get after guys and give our pathetic group of DBs an opportunity to only cover for 3-4 seconds versus 5-9 seconds.  That'll make the DBs look a lot better!  They needed some OLB/DEs and they got it.  They needed someone else on the line as Pryor and Brace (Can't make the club from the tub) cannot be depended on...for play or depth.  Hightower looks like a playmaker and complete stud in the LB position.  Their 3rd round pick looks very solid.  Glad they got Bequette. 

    As for the rest of the draft, there's some solid versatile kids in there to help with ST depth.  I have no problem using 4-7th round picks for that.  My issue previously with BB was he was getting all that 2nd and 3rd round trash and hoping they'd be solid contributors.  Maybe he realized you get what you pay for.

    This is why I bring the grade up to an A-...borderline A here.  We knew the defense was horrendous (yet scrappy), we knew we needed pass rush, we knew we needed some type of LB depth and quality play, etc...AND THE CLOUDS PARTED and Belichick moved up and took some quality players.  ABOUT DARN TIME...  I'm glad he went up and went after it.  I hope next year's D is as aggressive and we have something to show for it.

    I can't stop thinking that a couple more quality picks would mean a difference of one or two additional 3-and-outs in a game, one or two more posessions for Brady and Co (also so #12 doesn't; or feel like he has to; do something stupid in order to win), one or two less 80 yard drives ending up in a FG or worse.   I like it...job well done this weekend.

    Is August here yet?!?!?
     
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    Aside from the truth that we wont know for 2-3 years here is my own take:

    Total Grade: A
    What BB accomplished: Reallllllly upgraded D. Not just pass rush specialist but football players. The first four picks are all physical players and all like to cover ground quickly. And did you know they DID upgrade their pass rush too!

    Late picks look GOOD. A real leader-high character player who is a very good athlete, a truly talented DB (who needs to grow up fast) ...

    If you wanted D you got it. If you wanted pass rush you got it. If you wanted smash mouth players you got it. If you wanted some help in the secondary you got it. If you wanted to add high characters to the locker room you got it. If you wanted players that will be part of BB's army - you got it.

    Sorry Jets, even if your risky picks in round 1 and 2 end up being great (and they might) you still lost ground.... critical ground.

    THis Pats team is looking GRRRREAT on paper. Lets get 'em in to camp... Let's get to the games.

    The players...
    Jones - GREAT pick both as a player and for THIS team. Pass rush. Run D. Athletic. High motor. Tough.

    Hightower- Great pick as a player and for THIS team. PHYSICAL player. high motor. Tough. Pass rush. Good range. ... Can play OLB, ILB, edge man, pass rush.. Did I say he brings physical play... Mayo, Spikes, Hightower... all hitters. And Nink is no slouch...

    Wilson - "Mr Wiiiiiiiilson..." is too much of an unknown to me but I have looked at some film since we picked him. He looks like he will add some depth at S and if he has a good football IQ he might well be a player we see more of on D. I expect to see him on coverage teams. This will also help to press other players who are living only off of special teams play. It might free up a spot for another player we would like to keep.

    Bequette - Good player with really good upside and a REALLY good pick for THIS team. Nice pass rush. Nice motor. Not bad v run. Adds pass rush and depth and a good upside potential. I had him rated as a second round pick . Fans will like this guy. It should be harder and harder to keep him off the field.

    Nate Ebner - Rugby player with big character, leaderhsip and surprising athletic skills! He will make the team and be both a coach's favorite and a fans favorite

    Dennard - A questionable kid with very substantial talent. I suppose this is a low risk pick because it was so late but the upside is as high as a solid 2nd rounder.

    Ebert - A slot guy who I know little about but has upside that makes the risk worth it.
     
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    I can't give an accurate grade for another year or more but based on the picks, position, potential, and what they did in college I would give them an A or A-  .  The first round was exactly what the Patriots need, both players have pro bowl potential, Hightower should be good for a long time and can do just about everything on the field. Honestly I know nothing about the 2nd round pick but trust Bill Belichicks judgement. Bequette is a big guy who gives 110% from whistle to whistle. The only other player that I know about is Dennard, he is an NFL player and if he keeps clean could turn out to be one of the steals of this draft. The Patriots at least on paper have strengthened their defense immensely, lets see what happens in the fall. Should be fun to watch.
     
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    A+++++... See BB when he was a youngster, he had glasses and they called him Ralph.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8L86Z8YgeQ&feature=player_embedded
     
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    Draft grades are pointless and stupid THIS EARLY. Have these guys played a down for the Pats yet? Come back and grade this draft 3 years from now.
    Posted by GadisRKO


    Boring.


     
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    Overall I thought the draft was really good. They addressed what they needed to address and that was defense.
     
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    What a whine fest. Before the draft started the same people were whining that BB would trade out of the first round because he's 'lost it' or some other idiotic reasoning. Then he was great. Now he's lost it again. I guess some people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about.
     
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    I would give them an A+ since they have been the best at drafting for the last ten years. They are the benchmark that all other teams compare themselves to. Nobody does it better and they didn't disappoint this week.
     
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