What draft/trade scenario would be best for the Pats

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from harleyroadking11. Show harleyroadking11's posts

    Re: What draft/trade scenario would be best for the Pats

    I like B.... a nasty pass rusher, a nasty guard, and a nasty DE and a nasty OT
    nasty, nasty, nasty
     
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    What team would make the trade you're proposing?  Giving up the 18th pick for the 33rd and the 60th?  No team would do that.  Same goes for B.  Now C is probably something a team might do and I'd be all for that if the right player drops to 11. 

    If the trades you proposed were opposite, where the Pats had the 18th pick or the 38th pick I'd think the Pats were stupid.

    Looking at some of last year's trades like #30 for the 34th and 100th, or the 12th pick for the 28th, 40th and a fourth (not sure what number that was), or the 58th for the 62nd and 150th, or the 22nd for the 24th and 113th, or the 11th for the 13th and 113rd, or the 13th for the 24th, 70th and 87th. 

    The last one, 13th for the 24th, 70th and 87th, is probably as far a gap as you're going to get.  If a team moves from the 18th to the second round they will probaby want more then then the 60th pick.  Probably would have to throw in a late 4th/early 5th also and even then I don't see someone taking that.
     
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    The chart teams use when making trades, giving a numerical value to each draft choice.

    Round 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    13,000335806526597112129431612719314.2
    22,6003456066260981081304216226.619413.8
    32,2003555067255991041314116326.219513.4
    41,80036540682501001001324016425.819613
    51,70037530692451019613339.516525.419712.6
    61,600385207024010292134391662519812.2
    71,50039510712351038813538.516724.619911.8
    81,4004050072230104861363816824.220011.4
    91,35041490732251058413737.516923.820111
    101,3004248074220106821383717023.420210.6
    111,25043470752151078013936.51712320310.2
    121,2004446076210108781403617222.62049.8
    131,15045450772051097614135.517322.22059.4
    141,1004644078200110741423517421.82069
    151,05047430791951117214334.517521.42078.6
    161,00048420801901127014434176212088.2
    1795049410811851136814533.517720.62097.8
    189005040082180114661463317820.22107.4
    1987551390831751156414732.617919.82117
    2085052380841701166214832.218019.42126.6
    2180053370851651176014931.8181192136.2
    2278054360861601185815031.418218.62145.8
    237605535087155119561513118318.22155.4
    2474056340881501205415230.618417.82165
    2572057330891451215215330.218517.42174.6
    2670058320901401225015429.8186172184.2
    2768059310911361234915529.418716.62193.8
    286606030092132124481562918816.22203.4
    2964061292931281254715728.618915.82213
    3062062284941241264615828.219015.42222.6
    3160063276951201274515927.8191152232.3
    3259064270961161284416027.419214.62242
     
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    Trade A  NE 880 and other team 900

    Trade B is even.....

    Trade C is even....

     
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    I stand corrected.  The numbers match up pretty much with all the proposed trades that Harley suggested.  I just don't see anyone pulling the trigger on A or B but I'm usually wrong about everything and I'm sure my post won't be starting a new trend for me.
     
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    so those would be doable 
     
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    it still boils down to whether BB thinks he needs help on the D for a pass rush.  They have needed help for the past 4 years and haven't gotten it - will they change their approach this year or will BB try to win it all with the O again?
     
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    The thing that can't be taken into account is the rookie caps affect on the value chart. As we know if you have to pay rookies a lot less those picks in the teens or lower become much more valuable. Also 1st round grades this year top out around 16-20 I believe. This means to anyone trading out of a spot before 20 they are really dropping the talent level. It's just my gut but anyone trying to get back into the teens it's going to cost them more then in years past. 
     
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    Scenarios A and C are just plain awful from the Patriots' point of view.  The coaches claim that the point chart is just plain awful, because high first round draft picks typically cost a fortune that takes away from free agent signings, and high first rounders are still somewhat of a crap shoot for all that money.

    Scenario B, trading up for a second rounder, is somewhat sound for a team that is chock full of second rounders, and especially for a team that hit the jackpot last year:  Devin McCourty for rookie of the year, Gronk not far behind, Cunningham and Spikes contributed pretty well, Hernandez was way better than fourth round, Zoltan, Deaderick is still here, Taylor Price may yet blossom.  This is one team that needs late round picks like a hole in the head, because they'll only be kicked off next September - no room.  Trading two picks for one is only ok if the right guy is absolutely hanging there.

    Far better would be to trade every pick from the fifth round on, except compensatory picks which the NFL says can't be traded, usually to move existing second, third and fourth round picks a few slots up.  This strategy ruins other teams' micro-picking strategies.  Upsetting the order sometimes sets up BB to get Devin McCourty and the Jets are then desperate enough to take Kyle Shrimpy-Arms Wilson two picks later Ar Ar! 
     
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    i agree with you paul k.
    but i'd trade most of them for next year to move up to an extra round
     
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    i like C if we get the guy from Alabama. Dareus
     
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    My thoughts here are hinging on Mankins and Light... if they both go the Pats need to make sure they get a lot of help for the Oline.

    Now Free Agency is going to be tough if there is no CBA. Players will not agree to anything if there is no CBA.

    Personally I think "B" is the way to go if you can pull that off which means Cleveland which owns the pick at #38 would trade with the Patriots to gain draft depth early because they have only their own picks through rounds 1-5.

    Cleveland needs bodies badly another reason to make this deal and Holmgren I think would jump at this deal because it puts him in a better position to get big role players for his team.  

    As for what the Patriots would do with the picks... I am not exactly sold on the order and positions the same way you are and alot depends on who is available there and what our needs are considering the Oline issues mentioned earlier...

    Here is how I see the picks used and I will even take a stab at the player that might be there (legitimately) that fits the patriots needs if they loose either Mankins or Light.

    #17 - OLB/DE and I say this this way because I think at this spot you could take either one of these two players and immediately improve your defense immeasurably.
    Either OLB Ryan Kerrigan, or DE Cameron Jordan 

    #28 - OG/OT and it depends on what happens as I say to Light and Mankins. If Mankins isn't with the team look for Light to be resigned as a short term hole filler.
    Either OT Anthony Castonzo, or OG Mike Pouncey 

    #33 - At this point you have taken two of these three positions: OT/OG and DE/OLB.  This pick at #33 I think gets traded for a one next year and a later round pick this year which I am not going to figure out at this point. I do this for two reasons... 2012's draft when there is a rookie salary cap in place and it again gives you flexability to make deals in 2012. Gaining the pick at #38 is the reason why #33 is worth more in a trade then using on a pick in this draft. 

    #38 - This pick is used for OT/DE/RB (based on the above players I picked in Bold as the likely players taken so far) Starting to get out where it is harder to predict who might have slipped to you that you had no idea would be there. But here goes my Prediction and it's in bold and yes I am predicting he slips a bit and the Patriots still get their man at RB that would look awful good paired up with BJGE and Woody!...
    Either DE Corey Liuget or RB Mark Ingram 

    #92 - Who Knows! But for giggles lets play the game and lets say things go relatively as I have posted... then I would say this is where the Patriots look at an OT. and I say if that is the case then they take: OT Joseph Barskdale. He Bookends a massively tallented Offensive line that includes Sebastian Vollmer and Pouncey for years to come.

     
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    I don't think there can be either free agency or a draft until a CBA is signed.  Usually free agency starts in March, a month and a half before the draft. There's a possibility that the draft will actually occur first this year.  Not sure this will make a big difference in who the Pats pick in the draft, but it may change the perception of need for the Pats, since prior to the draft they won't have been able to re-sign any of their own free agents or acquire any from other teams. 
     
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    In Response to Re: What draft/trade scenario would be best for the Pats:
    [QUOTE]I don't think there can be either free agency or a draft until a CBA is signed.  Usually free agency starts in March, a month and a half before the draft. There's a possibility that the draft will actually occur first this year.  Not sure this will make a big difference in who the Pats pick in the draft, but it may change the perception of need for the Pats, since prior to the draft they won't have been able to re-sign any of their own free agents or acquire any from other teams. 
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]

    There will be a draft just no free-agency or trades of players. Think the only thing that can be done is trading draft picks. Just can't trade draft picks for players. It's going to be a very different offseason. Hopefully not a long one.
     
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    I say we draft DE Jordan or Watt at 17,
    We trade 28 a 3rd and 5th to move to 18-20 and get OT Carmimi or Costanzo
    With 33 we take OLB Houston or Smith (if they are there)
    With our late 2nd and our 4th we move up in the 2nd and get OG/C Moffit
    With our remaining 3rd we grab a RB like Powell
     
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    if there is no agreement in place 33 will be traded for a first rounder next year
     
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    I'm going to go for option "D":

    We trade back if our guy is not at the spot and pick up some more picks as well as get the guy that works for our needs. We have been successful doing this for the last 3 years and I see no reason to stop doing this now.

    The only reason to trade up is if you have a GLARING need, can't address it in FA and can get the guy you want by not giving up too much (meaning that you can really only trade up a few spots without it being a waste).

    I know everyone is screaming for pass rush, but I really do not see a reason to go crazy here. Setting up for the long run is more important at this point, and providing depth that can have big upside in the future. The Pats roster, assuming that the people who went to IR come back healthy, will be extremely improved from what it was last year (14-2). Without even needing to think about the draft we should be in very good shape (think top O and top 5 D).

    I'd be much happier if we just get the best value for our picks - if we do as good of a job as we did last year in this year's draft, then we will be set up to dominate the league for the next decade.
     
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    I don't know why teams would even make trades with the Patriots in the draft.  It's like a girl going out drinking with Ben Roethlisberger.  Now it sounds good in theory...
     
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    In Response to Re: What draft/trade scenario would be best for the Pats:
    [QUOTE]I don't know why teams would even make trades with the Patriots in the draft.  It's like a girl going out drinking with Ben Roethlisberger.  Now it sounds good in theory...
    Posted by paularnold[/QUOTE]

    Desperation. They have to make up for past picks/trades they swung and missed on so whether they want to or not, they may have to deal with the Patriots just to save their @ss. Another thing is that the average coach/GM these days only gets  1-3 years to put a program in place so they're all thinking now versus Belichick, Tomlin, Andy Reid get to think later too.

    Plus, just because you deal with the Patriots doesn't mean they won't botch their own picks. Even Belichick is like 40% accurate with his picks. It's a crapshoot.
     

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