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What is the problem?

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    Ridingwiththeking says our offense is a problem and our defense is fine.
    Posted by BabeParilli

    Babe this question is far too difficult to answer.  But I will give it a try by looking at some stats.

    Right now the Pats have the #1 offense in the league with 104 total pts and 540 yds per game average.

    The Defense is ranked 32th out of 32 teams, and giving up the most yards on average at 468.

    I must say I still don't know what could be the problem with the Patriots.  This is a great mystery.

     
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    Re: What is the problem?

    The problem is rather simple. The amount of passing yards per game by opponents is detailed below.

    !) in 2007 the average passing yards per game against the Pats was 190 pypg.
    2)in 2008 the pypg was 201
    3) in 2009 it was 209 pypg.
    4) in 2010 it was 258 pypg a significant increase last year.
    5) Thru 3 games in 2011 the pypg is a whopping 377.

    Call it what you want, BB, pass defense, secondary,.....we have a major problem here.
     
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    Re: What is the problem?

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    In Response to Re: What is the problem? : Brady, that's what.  You can't expect a D to play well only up 21-0 early.  That's too much to ask.  Knowing that teams have to pass most of the game is unfair for a defense.
    Posted by HaverhillBob

    Good point, but another poster on this board made I think nailed it.  He stated the offense scored too quickly, and that was unfair to the defense.  Maybe next time Brady scores a TD in 3 drives or less, BB should look to bench him.

     
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    I am not buying this "lack of talent". It's so ridiculous, dude. It really is. You don't become the best D over a month in December with "lack of talent". It just doesn't happen. We saw a nice progression last year.  Would you agree?  WHo did we lose? Meriweather, Sanders, Page? Ok. We should have kept Page. But, I like Chung. Chung is the guy.   And I like Sergio Brown.   Brown is good in coverage and tackles.  Chung is the guy who makes the calls. Our only real weakness on D is execution in man coverage, more consistency in pass rush and quality at OLB.  Everything is else is there. I do agree the longer drives against need some improvement and I think that coems with improved discipline and mayb more zone coverage. Let's face it, SD had mutliple drives extended on sketchy calls, as did Buffalo. Here are some stats, in the highest scoring/highest yardage 3 week NFL stretch in history, compared to where we were last year: PPG: 24/25  3rd D: 43.2%/50%  Passer rating: 94.6/100.5  Comp: 66.7%/69.4%  YPA: 9.0/8.2     Which of those is 2011 and which is 2010? The left column is 2011. The only failed improvement is YPA.  ANd that is tied to the overall context with regards to the offensive explosion by offenses through 3 weeks off a lockout. We're better in PPG allowed, which is clearly affected by Brady's 4 INTs (that should be lower) 3rd down D, passer rating and compl% by the opponent. And we faced SD and Buffalo. Buffalo is currently #1.  Maybe if we faced Jax last week, people wouldn't be doing this? Agree on everything else you said, but why on earth would anyone discount BB's coaching to improve what he has when we've seen it annually? Even in our WORST defensive years in 2002 and 2009, the D's improved, they were just beyond flawed and never jumped up tiers in order to be legit. This team is loaded with talent and nice pieces, upgraded from last year.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    "...Brown is good in coverage and tackles.  Chung is the guy who makes the calls. Our only real weakness on D is execution in man coverage, more consistency in pass rush and quality at OLB.

    That's probably 2/3 of a good defense right there Russ.

    Honestly I don't know how you can say we have the talent. It's obvious based on your above response that you acknowledge our lack of play out of the OLB's, Safeties and DL. If these guys are not getting it done, what's the cause? Talent or Scheme? Again, I'm saying it's talent. We simply said have a very mediocre LB corps overall. Mayo is really the only one worth mentioning. Spikes, Fletcher, Cunningham, Nink, Guyton...all nice depth players, but I don't see any of those guys as quality starters, especially on a team that is suppose to win it all and, has had ample time and resources to restock at said positions. It's downright curious and frustrating to me that this is the D we are stuck with after so many debacles over the last 5 years, it clearly being our achilles heal, and having all the draft picks in the world to address it.

    If you want to put blame on the shotgun/spread or whatever, saying we pass to much is the reason why the problems exist, I'll believe that, but simply said, it's certainly not the only reason.

    I think Babe makes a good argument about the Oline and also the D. They simply fade away like a f art in the wind come big game time.
     
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    In Response to Re: What is the problem? : Brady's fault.  What is Bill thinking, playing Brady at CB?
    Posted by HaverhillBob


    Obviosly you don't understand football. Kiss off...
     
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    Re: What is the problem?

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    In Response to Re: What is the problem? : I know that Brady is the worst CB in football.  He's slow, he can't tackle, get deeked on double moves and I've never once seen him bump the receivers off the line.
    Posted by HaverhillBob


    If you're really from Haverhill I'm shocked that you're bragging about it. If so you must be one of those punks hanging out on the corner of Nichols and White street selling crack.  Do yourself a favor in the future. Don't get high off your own Supply.
     
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