what is the running game over past 11 years?

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    what is the running game over past 11 years?

    Stats from Pats's website

     
    yearrushypacompatypctp% rush
    201143844026128.6105042%
    20104544.33315077.996147%
    20094664.13905927.7105844%
    20085134.43395347.1104749%
    20074514.14035868.3103743%
    20064993.93265276.8102649%
    20054393.43525647.7100344%
    20045244.12934857.7100952%
    20034733.43205376.8101047%
    20023953.83746056.2100040%
    20014733.83064826.995550%
    Total5125    1115646%
    average466    101446%


    2008 was Brady injury

    2004 was Corey Dillon.  We ran it 5x less per game this year compared to that year

    Overall we ran it 2x less per game in 2011 to the average over the 11 year period

    2011 to 2004 is the largest disparity, understandable with a HOF RB

    So I am trying to understand the "balance" argument?  Is it changing to 5 more rushes per game in a passing league?

    In 2011 on a play I have a 100% chance of 4 yards versus a 65% chance of 8.6 yards.  What do I do?

    If we are talking about situational rushing I think that is a whole other story focusing on the OC

    OK guys have at it
     
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    What is there to understand?

    If you have a 1,400 yard all-pro rusher you run it 525 times, so yeah 5x more per game, like a 55-45 'balance'

    If you have 800-1,100 yard rushers like Smith, Maroney and Green Ellis you rush 465 times a year and it's a 60-40 disparity

    We won SB's in 01/03 with the same quality rushing game people have whined about here every since Dillon's one great season... yet it was the defense that was vastly superior to the teams of the past 6 years that was the real difference.

    Of course the best Pats team ever, and one of the best teams in NFL history IMO, was the '04 team that had both the elite back AND defense.

    So if we add a great RB we'd be even more dangerous, but it certainly isn't as important as fixing the D, considering our passing attack is the best it has been in all but 1 of those 11 years...
     
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    I agree on the D and in fact it was proven out by my review of the stats that opposing teams did in that timeframe. Do peple want a run heavy defense even with the way the rules interpretations now favor the passing attack?

    My point is that the problem is not in the run; it is the complementary parts of the game that have made a difference
     
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    Dillon carried the ball 345 time the last time the team won a championship.

    Since then they have gone with under-sized dancers and tried to outsmart the game. 

    Antowain Smith carried the ball 287 times.

    They need a feature back - preferably a big bruising feature back.  That is the formula that has worked. 

     
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    still there has not been that much of a change on a pg basis.  on a per carry basis the difference between 2004 and 2011 was a tenth of a yard.


    I ask the run advocates, what is the proper split, run/pass?  Is it to take the ball out of Brady's hands and give it to a back who will take three years to develop?

    I guess I don't understand; 2 SBs both last minute losses and we need the feature back? 

     
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    I think having a defense that could make a 17 point score stick once or twice a season is the formula that worked. 

    Every single playoffs they've won a superbowl, they've come away with 1 or 2 games where the offense only scored like 15 points or something. That is the biggest thing that changed ... if the offense doesn't score 23 points, this team loses 9 out of 10 games. 

    Ignoring the difference between Harrison, Seymour, McGinest, Vrabel, Law, Bruschi, Warren, Johnson, Poole, etc in their prime, versus this group, and pointing to a 2-4 carry per game difference is just incredible. 

    NE doesn't have a single DB as good as Harrison, let alone Law. They don't have a single LBer as good as Vrabel, let alone McGinest. They don't have a single inside as god as Bruschi. And they don't have a defensive lineman as dominant as Seymour. 

    It's a sea-change in talent. 

    If we all had wishes ... I'll take those players, the rest take the OC who runs it a couple more times per game. We'll see who wins the Superbowl first. 
     
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    I think having a defense that could make a 17 point score stick once or twice a season is the formula that worked.  Every single playoffs they've won a superbowl, they've come away with 1 or 2 games where the offense only scored like 15 points or something. That is the biggest thing that changed ... if the offense doesn't score 23 points, this team loses 9 out of 10 games.  Ignoring the difference between Harrison, Seymour, McGinest, Vrabel, Law, Bruschi, Warren, Johnson, Poole, etc in their prime, versus this group, and pointing to a 2-4 carry per game difference is just incredible.  NE doesn't have a single DB as good as Harrison, let alone Law. They don't have a single LBer as good as Vrabel, let alone McGinest. They don't have a single inside as god as Bruschi. And they don't have a defensive lineman as dominant as Seymour.  It's a sea-change in talent.  If we all had wishes ... I'll take those players, the rest take the OC who runs it a couple more times per game. We'll see who wins the Superbowl first. 
    Posted by zbellino


    exactly

    that pretty much expanded on my line of 'I'd rather better the D than have an elite RB'
     
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    I agree we don't need elite RB. But we need a stouter Defense. I think we are headed for the draft fix. The FA's we got are decent but I expect a couple go getters in the draft.
     
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    well think of it another way...... 5 extra rushes per game could very well mean 2 to 3 minutes in TOP....if the Pats has 3 minutes more in TOP in the Super Bowl...what would the result have been? Not to mention the less tired defense that couldnt get to Manning in that last drive because they were worn out.
    A better running game DOES help a suspect Defense too
     
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    In Response to Re: what is the running game over past 11 years? : exactly that pretty much expanded on my line of 'I'd rather better the D than have an elite RB'
    Posted by rameakap

    I don't know. 

    I would also rather have an elite RB as opposed to more carries.

    An elite RB with the same amount of carries would be better than more carries for a RB who isn't good. 



     
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    well think of it another way...... 5 extra rushes per game could very well mean 2 to 3 minutes in TOP....if the Pats has 3 minutes more in TOP in the Super Bowl...what would the result have been? Not to mention the less tired defense that couldnt get to Manning in that last drive because they were worn out. A better running game DOES help a suspect Defense too
    Posted by slicksteve38


    TOP  doesn't mean more time on the field, just more off the clock. Now, in order to get  a lead the defense can defend, they need to score on ~50% of their possessions, all TDs. The margin for error on offense has basically eroded to nothing. If they have an off day, the team loses.  

    3 passes and a punt give the defense the exact same rest as 3 runs and a punt. More time is burned in the later, but the defense has the exact same amount of rest. 

    Really, two passing first downs with a couple incompletes and a punt could use the same time off the clock as three runs and a punt ... and give the defense more rest. 

    It comes down to possessions. Chances to score. The Patriots only had 8 usable posessions on offense. If anything, the hope is that the defense can get itself off the field, and get the ball back to offense. It's the stat that, according to Wilfork, they measure themselves by. Their job is the get the ball for the offense. 

    In the winning Superbowls, they were averaging about 12-13 usable posessions. Those extra four possessions come from 3 & out defensive stops and turnovers that are just missing.

    The offense had a few possessions to throw away while getting the same score. 

    Again, running the ball more isn't going to "help" the defense be better. Better defensive players will. 

    Running more authoratively will help NE close out games, that is true. Just being able to come out, say "We are going to run it," and have the defense be powerless to stop them. They have not been able to do that in years though. 

    An elite RB could go miles toward improving that capacity. 
     
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    Stats from Pats's website

     
    yearrushypacompatypctp% rush
    201143844026128.6105042%
    20104544.33315077.996147%
    20094664.13905927.7105844%
    20085134.43395347.1104749%
    20074514.14035868.3103743%
    20064993.93265276.8102649%
    20054393.43525647.7100344%
    20045244.12934857.7100952%
    20034733.43205376.8101047%
    20023953.83746056.2100040%
    20014733.83064826.995550%
    Total5125    1115646%
    average466    101446%


    2008 was Brady injury

    2004 was Corey Dillon.  We ran it 5x less per game this year compared to that year

    Overall we ran it 2x less per game in 2011 to the average over the 11 year period

    2011 to 2004 is the largest disparity, understandable with a HOF RB

    So I am trying to understand the "balance" argument?  Is it changing to 5 more rushes per game in a passing league?

    In 2011 on a play I have a 100% chance of 4 yards versus a 65% chance of 8.6 yards.  What do I do?

    If we are talking about situational rushing I think that is a whole other story focusing on the OC

    OK guys have at it



    Provpats


    What I see when I look at this is.....

    When we have had a better balance we were more successful and usually went deeper in the playoffs(2007 withstanding although we know how well that pass heavy offense did in the most important game).

    01,03,04,06,all ended in afc championship births and 3 SB victories. We were more difficult to defend against.

    2010 we went back to a balance and Brady threw 4 interceptions the entire season. We were one of the most efficient offense's in NFL history but then went away from that balance in the playoff loss to the Jets as we gave our 1,000 yard 13 td back all of 9 carries for 43 yards.

    2010 may have been Brady's best season and possibly one of the best seasons for a QB in NFL history. We ran as much as we passed and were unpredictable. You couldn't stop us, and we went 14-2. Actually our only 2 losses had the exact same ratio in pass to run att's. 36 pass to 20 runs in both losses....no balance.

    In 2011 we had 89 more plays from scrimmage but 105 more pass attempts???, at 35 years old I do not think it wise to have Brady throw more then he ever has in his career...it is asking for injury!

    Now to take it a step further....The Post season. If we do not have a well oiled run game(as in finely tuned) we falter in the playoffs when we are forced to run the ball by good defense's that play a pass heavy set. We struggle and then give up and turn to our crutch Tom Brady. It is unfair to Brady and makes our offense predictable.

    Anyway I'm glad you brought this up as until this last season these stats show that we are most successful with a better balanced offense... Now lets trade for a quality veteran RB and help Tom Brady win another Sb as opposed to hoping he can do it all by himself.
     
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    Stats from Pats's website   year rush ypa comp at ypc tp % rush 2011 438 4 402 612 8.6 1050 42% 2010 454 4.3 331 507 7.9 961 47% 2009 466 4.1 390 592 7.7 1058 44% 2008 513 4.4 339 534 7.1 1047 49% 2007 451 4.1 403 586 8.3 1037 43% 2006 499 3.9 326 527 6.8 1026 49% 2005 439 3.4 352 564 7.7 1003 44% 2004 524 4.1 293 485 7.7 1009 52% 2003 473 3.4 320 537 6.8 1010 47% 2002 395 3.8 374 605 6.2 1000 40% 2001 473 3.8 306 482 6.9 955 50% Total 5125         11156 46% average 466         1014 46% 2008 was Brady injury 2004 was Corey Dillon.  We ran it 5x less per game this year compared to that year Overall we ran it 2x less per game in 2011 to the average over the 11 year period 2011 to 2004 is the largest disparity, understandable with a HOF RB So I am trying to understand the "balance" argument?  Is it changing to 5 more rushes per game in a passing league? In 2011 on a play I have a 100% chance of 4 yards versus a 65% chance of 8.6 yards.  What do I do? If we are talking about situational rushing I think that is a whole other story focusing on the OC OK guys have at it
    Posted by provpats


    To me, the difference comes with the "look" they give the defense when they break the huddle.

    Since Weis left it's been almost exclusively the shotgun/spread formation look.

    Brady has been under center and running play-action (which he totally excels at) far less often over the last five years.

    These days when the Pats run it's almost always out of the shotgun (not all the time, but almost) and it's usually just to "fool" the defense. OR, they're running the ball in the 4th quarter because they have a big lead and they're trying to milk the clock.

    I guess what I'm saying is that when Weis was their O.C., the running game was an integral part of their gameplan and what they were trying to accomplish during the game; since Weis left, the running game has pretty much become a sideshow to divert the defense's attention, or a tool to try and shorten games in the 4th quarter.

    My view is that when you've got one of the best play-action faking QBs in NFL history, he's got to be under center more often and in the shotgun less.

    That's the big difference to me. It's not the number of attempts, but the way they make those attempts.
     
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    "My view is that when you've got one of the best play-action faking QBs in NFL history, he's got to be under center more often and in the shotgun less"

    "That's the big difference to me. It's not the number of attempts, but the way they make those attempts. "

    I completely agree Hardright. You have a habit of summing things up.
     
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    my point become that even at the greatest differential, it amounted to only 5 more run plays per game.  I believe this is not  enough; I also find it convenient that you leave out 07 and 11 as success stories; as I said we were plays away from winning those SBs.  We could have easily lost to the Rams as well

    I will have some defensive stats tomorrow that will show the D of 01-07 was much more dominating and as expressed above worked with a complemetary football scheme.

    The running game was not a more integral part of the game in the early 2000s; the differences in those years with the exception of 2004 was not meaningful.  The league has also changes rules wise during that time frame as well
     
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    In Response to Re: what is the running game over past 11 years? : I don't know.  I would also rather have an elite RB as opposed to more carries. An elite RB with the same amount of carries would be better than more carries for a RB who isn't good. 
    Posted by zbellino


    as compared to once again having Harrison, Law, Bruschi, Vrabel, McGinest, Seymour talent?
     
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    2004 was the best season, they could do just about anything. Even though the receivers were not as good as the past few seasons having Dillon out there had teams worried, opening things up for the passing game. With an average to below average back out there defenses don't give the same respect as with a guy like Dillon. Even though they may have run it near the same amount as they do now, Dillon presented the threat. Having a guy like him now would make this offense unstoppable, even with the same ratio of pass to run. That would be awesome, maybe Ridley, Vereen, or they bring in another guy via trade to do that. 

    IMO the defense is getting better, it improved over last season, particularly when Spikes and Chung came back from injuries. They will probably get some impact players in the draft to bring the defense to an elite level. BB has certainly set things up to do so. We are lucky that as Patriots fans we can point out flaws on a team that hasn't had a losing season in over 10 years and has the best record of any team in pro sports over that period. Next year we win it all, maybe even another dynasty run for Bradys last few years.
     
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    my point become that even at the greatest differential, it amounted to only 5 more run plays per game.  I believe this is not  enough; I also find it convenient that you leave out 07 and 11 as success stories; as I said we were plays away from winning those SBs.  We could have easily lost to the Rams as well I will have some defensive stats tomorrow that will show the D of 01-07 was much more dominating and as expressed above worked with a complemetary football scheme. The running game was not a more integral part of the game in the early 2000s; the differences in those years with the exception of 2004 was not meaningful.  The league has also changes rules wise during that time frame as well
    Posted by provpats


    The D was more dominant but that does not mean that our D is bad now. Last year we regressed a bit and had one of our worst statistical defense's(at least in terms of total defense which to me is almost a meaningless stat) but even with that we were top 15 in ppg allowed!

    In the post season we had one of the best defense's and if stats are not your barometer for post season success I challenge you to watch the games again. We hit the Giants hard the entire SB. It reminded me of the dynasty defense in that regard.

    I do not dismiss them as success stories. I point out that when we had a better run/pass balance we were more successful in post season play. Look at the 06 afc championship game against Indy. We scored over 30 points yet Reche Caldwell was our #1 wr. He was out of the league next season.

    how do you explain that our offense was more successful in the post season with Caldwell then it was with Moss? Or Gronk/WW/Hern? You can't. We are a one dimensional offense with an open play book, no screens, no gadget plays, no variety in play calling. We rely on Brady to adjust at the l.o.s and hope for the best.

    Do you discount that the teams with better balance were more successful in post season play? The offense scored more points with less talent and had better t.o.p. The proof is in the pudding broski.
     
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    What is there to understand? If you have a 1,400 yard all-pro rusher you run it 525 times, so yeah 5x more per game, like a 55-45 'balance' If you have 800-1,100 yard rushers like Smith, Maroney and Green Ellis you rush 465 times a year and it's a 60-40 disparity We won SB's in 01/03 with the same quality rushing game people have whined about here every since Dillon's one great season... yet it was the defense that was vastly superior to the teams of the past 6 years that was the real difference. Of course the best Pats team ever, and one of the best teams in NFL history IMO, was the '04 team that had both the elite back AND defense. So if we add a great RB we'd be even more dangerous, but it certainly isn't as important as fixing the D, considering our passing attack is the best it has been in all but 1 of those 11 years...
    Posted by rameakap


    A logical and inteligent post (that the village idiot will try to poke holes though). It'll go like this...

    You're an idiot! Did you even go to college? Ugh...let me educate you with my vast football knowledge. First of all today's NFL is different than the NFL you're talking about. This is the salary cap NFL (I know that was the salary cap NFL as well, but stats are meaningless) and we are "rebuilding". Do you expect a defense that is rebuilding to match the output of a seasoned and more talented defense? You are a spoiled childish troll that can't comprehend team building, the salary cap or zone defense.

    How do you know that BJGE is not Corey Dillon? He was never given the chance with Brady dictating this team and offense. Benny could very easily turn into a guy that gains 15k yards before his career is over...he's probably just a slow starter - and will blossom as his legs get older and even slower. Do you know this guy has never fumbled? I mean never. He once took a shot by the ice cream truck that passes by his grandma's house and you know what? He held onto that damn ball; he took a 87 yard loss, but he held onto it. This is a guy that if you just give him the ball=we win. Run the football=we win. Brady=mean dictator/loser.

    Now go back to playing Madden on your mom's Xbox in the basement. Maybe later she'll make you a frozen pizza and spread some oxy10 on your pimpled nose:)

    Thanks for reading and learning,
    Rusty 
     
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    Look at how teams defend us, they play nickel and dime, becuz they know we have a great passing attack AND that we WONT consistently run the ball enough to make them pay for playing all those dbs in the game.

    Also great point above about taking brady from under the center and constantly being in shotgun, the guy is a master at the play action pass, the most frustrating thing is seeing a 3rd and short situation and we go empty set, basically telling the defense we are not running it.  You have to make defenses guess, we have been doing that less and less over the years and you would think with brady getting older they would try to slow down the pass rush and not put as much pressure on tom but weve been doing the complete opposite. Hopefully ridley can hold on to the ball, becuz hes def more explosive than bjge was.

     
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    and I am saying your dismissal of the suceess in 07 and 11 is cherry picking   If you look at the 06 game the D could not hold a 21 point lead; in 09 they got run out of the stadium in a disgraceful defensive performance. 

    The "balance" you love to talk about is not statistically meaningful.  The PS failures could just as easily have been success in 07 and 11 and we would not be talking a dynasty again.

    you take 06 as a success; I consider it a dismal failure compared to 07 and 11
     
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    and I am saying your dismissal of the suceess in 07 and 11 is cherry picking   If you look at the 06 game the D could not hold a 21 point lead; in 09 they got run out of the stadium in a disgraceful defensive performance.  The "balance" you love to talk about is not statistically meaningful.  The PS failures could just as easily have been success in 07 and 11 and we would not be talking a dynasty again. you take 06 as a success; I consider it a dismal failure compared to 07 and 11
    Posted by provpats


    Never mind the obvious, in fact unmissable fact, that everyone of those superbowl offenses also cycled through 3&outs, turned the ball over, etc. Heck in a "per drive" performance, this year's offense actually outperformed the offense from 2001 by streets, and 2003 as well.

    They scored more per drive. They used more time per drive IIRC. They were just more efficient all around. 

    The difference is that they didn't have an extra four or five drives to score with. 

    The difference was that there was a dominant defense there to bail them out. 

    I reject the premise because the most casual observation of what actually happened was the the offense was about the same in total production, but the defense made plays as well, and got the offense some short fields, or got it two tries in a row after a 3 & out.

    Running won't fix that. A three and out running breathes the defense the exact same as a 3 & out passing. The same 3 & out in 2001 offers the same rest as one in 2012. 

    The difference is the players on the defense and their ability to make some plays.

    I mean really. 

    It can't be said enough .... if football were that simplistic running = winning ... don't you think the "genius" Bill Belichik would have figured it out by now?

    Really? A handful of people on a forum know football better than Bill Belichik?

    And the latter should go to football 101? 

    Sigh. 
     
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    Look at how teams defend us, they play nickel and dime, becuz they know we have a great passing attack AND that we WONT consistently run the ball enough to make them pay for playing all those dbs in the game. Also great point above about taking brady from under the center and constantly being in shotgun, the guy is a master at the play action pass, the most frustrating thing is seeing a 3rd and short situation and we go empty set, basically telling the defense we are not running it.  You have to make defenses guess, we have been doing that less and less over the years and you would think with brady getting older they would try to slow down the pass rush and not put as much pressure on tom but weve been doing the complete opposite. Hopefully ridley can hold on to the ball, becuz hes def more explosive than bjge was.
    Posted by gman101019


    Wrong . This is just so wrong. 

    Teams go into nickel and dime to match up with personell. Even if you have Walter Payton's torso on Barry Sanders' legs with a nuclear reactor core at RB ... if you bring a slot player on the field, the opponent will go into nickel formation to match up with the slot WR.

    How does this misinformation spread that teams go into nickel and dime because they don't respect the run? They go into nickel and dime because NE very frequently has an extra TE or WR on the field. 

    And nickel or dime is what matches up with that personell. 

    What ... do you honestly, I mean honestly, think that a few extra runs from BJGE would prompt a defense to put a linebacker on Wes Welker?

    Pardon my french here ... but that's f#cking nuts. If you are watching football and seeing defense formations, and thinking that they are based on opponents' tendencies, then you are watching it wrong. 

    The most, most that might happen is that you adjust the safeties to or away from the line, or the CBs the same, or assign linebackers a role. And in that regard .... the RBs on this team, BJGE in particular, have never been able to capitalize on the room they've gotten. 

    Personell dictates personell ... not what a team "thinks" a person is going to do. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Look at how teams defend us, they play nickel and dime, becuz they know we have a great passing attack AND that we WONT consistently run the ball enough to make them pay for playing all those dbs in the game. Also great point above about taking brady from under the center and constantly being in shotgun, the guy is a master at the play action pass, the most frustrating thing is seeing a 3rd and short situation and we go empty set, basically telling the defense we are not running it.  You have to make defenses guess, we have been doing that less and less over the years and you would think with brady getting older they would try to slow down the pass rush and not put as much pressure on tom but weve been doing the complete opposite. Hopefully ridley can hold on to the ball, becuz hes def more explosive than bjge was.
    Posted by gman101019[/QUOTE]

    Absolutely 100% correct. Teams have cheated toward the pass, any fan here would admit that I would hope. They do it because we will never consistently run. That is fact. We have ran the ball 3 times in a row twice that I can remember the last 3 seasons.

    Brady is now 35, to continue with this pass happy offense is ill advised. If any here would dispute that then they must know something about 35 year old QB's that the rest of us don't.
     
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